Talk:Greek Genocide

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Page title, Introduction[edit]

"The Pontic Greek genocide refers to the campaign of the Ottoman Empire under the Young Turks against the Greeks of Asia Minor and the Pontus region. What follows is a list of quotes on the issue." The "Pontic Greek genocide" refers to a campaign in Pontus, not in Asia Minor. Moreover, the bulk of the quotations employed in this text refer to a more general campaign against Greeks in the Ottoman Empire. I would strongly suggest that both the page title and introduction are reworked in order to more accurately represent the content on this page. Bebek101 18:42, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

What did you have in mind? Perhaps a page on Greek genocide? That is possible.--Xenovatis 18:48, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I think that would be more appropriate. Thank you for your other comments on this issue elsewhere. Cheers. Bebek101 18:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Duplication[edit]

We now have two identical articles: Greek Genocide and Pontic Greek genocide. One of them should be deleted and made a redirect to the other. Although the above discussion tends toward calling the subject "Greek genocide," I would recommend a title consistent with the Wikipedia article, i.e., "Pontic Greek genocide." - InvisibleSun 19:12, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

At least for now I propose the "Pontic Greek genocide" article is deleted for the above stipulated reasons. So far as InvisibleSun's concerns, there is an ongoing and new discussion in the wikipedia article about renaming that article as "Greek Genocide" to more accurately reflect its content and the position of western scholars which, to date, has been meet with support.Bebek101 19:21, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
For now, we need to settle on one (use a redirect) before edits cause the redundant copies to diverge. It can always be moved later. ~ Ningauble 19:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay, done. Thanks Bebek101 19:28, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for that Bebek.--Xenovatis 19:42, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Charny Quote[edit]

I checked page 2 of 'Ethnic Cleansing in the Balkans: Nationalism and the Destruction of Tradition' by Cathie Carmichael but could not find the Charny quote. Bebek101 19:25, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for that.--Xenovatis 19:44, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


Cleanup Required[edit]

The following quotation needs a cleanup by someone with access to the source. I could guess at some of the corrections but would prefer not to because of the risks of error.

"Pontic Greeks, Genocide of. The Pontic (sometimes Poncian) Greek genocide is the applied to the massacres and deportations perpetrated against ethnic Greeks living Ottoman Empire at the hands ot the Young Turk gLwemmern between 1914 and The name of rbi people derives from the Greek word prnms, inelning “sea coast,” refers to the Greek population that had lived on the south—eastern coast of the Black that is, in northern Turkey, fir three millennia. In a campaign reminiscent of the Armenian genocide that was being perpetrated at roughly the same time, the Pontic Greeks innumerable cruelties at the hands of the Turks. An estimated three hundred fifty-three thousand Pontic Grccks died,, many o forccd marches through Anarolia and the Dcscrt just Like the Armenians. Those who survived were exiLed from Turkey. The surviving Greek community. centered in the city of Sinyrna (l:mir). was literally into the sea in 1922, with the city razed an] thousands Lilled by the advancing Nationalist army. The destruction of the Pontic Greeks, and the forcible deportation followed, had but a single planned outcome: the removal of all Greeks from Turkey. a successful campaign in that it destroyed this ancient Greek community forever, creating a diaspora that is never likely to be reestablished in its ancestral homeland. In parallel with the Armenian situation, successive Turkish governments have denied the Pontic genocide ever occurred; the most frequent official explanations given are the Greeks died as casualties of war, by famine brought about by the Russian invasion nortlwrn Turkey, or a a result ol civil disiurinces Dictionary of Genocide: M-Z, Samuel Totten.PauI Robert Bartrop.Steven L Jacobs, 0313346445 978-0313346446 Greenwood (November 30, 2007) p.337"