Talk:Hideki Tōjō

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No articles from the Onion[edit]

First of all the problem with that quote or article is:
1. It's from the Onion, nobody knows what it is in most of the world. They don't understand and know the newspaper that it writes fake stories that suppose to be "satire." But it's lie all the way, 100 %
2. It's false or not accurate
3. It's not quote from a person.
4. And it's not "notable:"
Notable: We limit ourselves to quotations which are notable. A quotation can be notable either because it has achieved fame by itself, but more usually because it was said by someone notable, or appeared in a notable work.

168.253.13.24 02:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

The arguments you make for removing the quote are simply ludicrous. The quote was plainly in the section for quotes about Tojo, was plainly labeled "Satire", and is a very notable piece of satire, from a very famous compilation. Satire is a very ancient and popular form of commentary about people and situations, and is an entirely legitimate source of quotations. Much of the best humor by the most famous writers is satire. Good satire is not "100 % lies" it is a form of humorous criticism that is plainly ridiculing its subject, usually with mixtures of plain truth and plain fiction. The Onion is not some obscure little known "newspaper", it is one of the most popular and well known satirical publications in the United States, and the quote used was from the very popular book Our Dumb Century (1999) which went to number one on the New York Times best-seller list.
There are also plenty of works worth quoting that are not by a single person, including much of the most ancient and notable literature of the world, ranging from the I Ching, much of the Hebrew and Christian Bibles, The Constitutions of various nations, and the U.N. Charter. Some people might not understand or entirely like the humor, but politicians, militarists and all forms of political or military miscalculation have always been among the top targets of satirists, and probably always will be. ~ Shadow 13:29, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
You are being America-centric. I quote myself again, nobody in the world 70% of the world doesn't know what the onion is. Most people in France doesn't know what the Onion is. Ok you make your point, but this one is false, it's not from reputable and reliable news source like Washington Post, New York Times, this is from satire newspaper, it's not serious, it's not wholesome, it's not politically correct even if you try to cover it up as satire. I just don't have a lot of source and reason to place this quote in there. It's not official for goodness sake. 168.253.22.102 19:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC) It's not historical, not academic, not true, not needed, not reliable to make you think about the person, it's misleading, It's parody, it's pop culture. Do you need more words? It's not worldwide known, most of the people in the US don't even know, rely, and seen the Onion I would guess. It's parody. Finally it would be included as form of advertisement and publicizing the newspaper in other ways. Even if you justify it as satire and all satires should be included, I would include all satires about a person, country, ethnicity, facial features, everything under every articles that might offend or glamorize a race, person, country, culture. You get the idea. 168.253.22.102 19:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
It is not being America-centric to quote a major American publication any more than it is being Japanese-centric to quote a Japanese one, or Euro-centric in quoting Oxford's Companion to World War II and Isreali-centric in quoting a professor from Hebrew University, as I have done in addition to restoring the quote you insist on removing. You are being somewhat America-phobic. It is a sorry fact, but over 70% of the people in world probably don't even know who the hell Hideki Tōjō is, or even Hirohito, though most probably have heard of Adolph Hitler and the Nazis. Probably less than 10% of the world has heard of Yamamoto Tsunetomo who has an excellent article, and though famous among many top executives and business people the same is probably true even of Miyamoto Musashi, who has an even better article. This is not a collection of just "academic" quotes, it is a collection of notable quotes, Period. That the work quoted might have made it to the top the best sellers list "only" in the USA certainly does not disqualify it from being notable. If you want to seek consensus on the matter, take it to the Village pump, though I seriously doubt you will find much support for such levels of sanitization and censorship as you are insisting on. To quote the current "Quote of the day": "It contributes greatly towards a man's moral and intellectual health, to be brought into habits of companionship with individuals unlike himself, who care little for his pursuits, and whose sphere and abilities he must go out of himself to appreciate." (Nathaniel Hawthorne), and another recently quoted author, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg: "A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he resents." ~ Shadow 21:33, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
It's irrelevant 168.253.23.115 00:11, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
This piece of biting satire is clearly commentary on Tojo, his policies, and those of his allies. It clearly mocks and ridicules the inherently narrow and short-sighted perspectives involved in aggressive militarism, nationalism and racism. To say that such satire is "irrelevant" goes beyond ludicrous into the realm of total absurdity. ~ Shadow 08:48, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

That quote was obviously posted by an individual that's perpetually jealous of the fact that Hitler referred to him as a mongrel and the Japs as honorary Aryans. Oh wait- Aryan is a loanword...created by a " mongrel " jilted by the fact that Hilter didn't include him in his ccategorization of being " Nordic ". Oh those jealous " Germanics ", they would do anything just to be considered German.

Wernergerman 00:45, 24 December 2011 (UTC)