Talk:Jimmy Wales
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All quotes on the page Jimmy Wales are true. If disputed, ask Jimmy Wales, but do not delete them before they are confirmed to be hoax. —This unsigned comment is by 68.255.38.230 (talk • contribs) .
- I'm afraid I still don't believe the ones listed at #Dialog. They don't sound like Jimbo; perhaps they were made by an impostor. I'll believe them when either Jimbo confirms them (preferably on this talk page) or a reliable source is cited. Seahen 21:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Need to comment?
A new addition "I regard it as a pseudonym and I don’t really have a problem with it." - yeah it would be remarkable, particularly for English Wikipedia concerned, but perhaps it would be more and more obscure after time goes by? So I think we'd better to add a commentary - but I find myself in a conflict of interest. I think I am too much emotionally involved, and afraid most of us so - anyway the person who was regarded was a part of our community. Is there anyone who is bold enough make a comment to that quote? --Aphaia 04:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
- the best comment belongs to boxingwear, the innocent lamb:
- http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=1398351&oldid=1373360
boxingwear's
[edit] "Drama mongers"
I much prefer this quote, which shows the true nature of just how flawed this project is.
"And as long as some people like to pretend that our carrying out of policies against posting private emails on the wiki is an attempt 'to suppress discussion' then we will continue to allow drama mongers to control the discussion of things on the site"
This is already linked to, but this part of the quote is happily ommitted from the article. This is exactly how wikipedia is, and this is what is wrong with the site. 216.37.86.10
- I'm afraid you are laboring under a misapprehension. Wikiquote does not collect everything and anything that someone says just because they are notable. Although it admittedly contains quite a bit of substandard material, largely due to the fact that people treat articles as dumping grounds for anything they can find somewhere, it tries to encourage citing only those quotes that are somehow memorable for the long run by expecting explicit sources from reliable publications. Wikimedia projects are not, in general, reliable sources from which we can source quotes.
- For Jimmy Wales, the point can be argued, since although we can't accept Wikipedia as a reliable source for the general identity of almost anyone, Wales is a prominent exception. However, one major reason that we demand more traditional publications like books, magazines, newspapers, etc., is that their independent editorial staffs have decided the material is worth quoting, just as WP reliable sources vet material to be used for WP articles. (The system isn't perfect, but it's far better than anything else we have available.) Given this philosophy, it is unlikely you will find anything found only in a Wales posting to a discussion page or maillist, positive or negative, that makes a good Wikiquote quote (regardless of what this article currently contains).
- In short, anything generally memorable from Wales, or any other subject, should be printed or reprinted in a reliable source, which we should cite. Anything memorable only to Wikimedians isn't worth quoting here, any more than quotes only interesting to fans of TV shows or video games are Wikiquote-worthy. And stuff cited here for the sake of documenting Wikimedia events and attitudes is most defintely not Wikiquote material, any more that it is Wikipedia material. That's far too omphalaskeptic. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:33, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Seth, you're an idiot
This quote was installed here, but then removed as not being notable enough. It has been mentioned in a couple of notable places now, though -- Valleywag and Nicholas Carr's Rough Type, in addition to Seth Finkelstein's own writings. At what point might it become worthy of inclusion on Wikiquote? -- Thekohser 12:40, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
- Just because something has been reported and sourced doesn't mean it's a quote to preserve for posterity. Wikiquote is not a memoir or documentation service. The words themselves should convey an idea that goes beyond their immediate context. There's nothing especially original or pithy about this statement.
- We have a lot of editors (particularly in TV-show articles) who seem to believe that quotes that denote a significant moment in time for the participants are inherently worthy of inclusion in Wikiquote. But such situational quotes, which are only meaningful for the participants, just don't make for timeless, pithy sayings. On rare occasions, such a quote can become so famous that it might rise above these problems, like Rhett Butler's "Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a damn" from Gone with the Wind, or General McAuliffe's response to a World War II German ultimatum, "Nuts!". But there should be one heck of a lot of cultural propagation before we would want to include something like that.
- Regardless of how famous Jimmy Wales is to Wikimedia editors, I know of nothing that he's said that meets this general guideline for unoriginal but outrageously famous lines. So like the vast majority of quotes, we should only be including his well-sourced, original, pithy statements. And that means that a lot of the stuff in this article isn't very quoteworthy. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:33, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] An erroneous explanation
Regarding this section:
You have caused too much harm to justify us putting up with this kind of behavior much longer.
- * On the User talk page for Giano II, regarding his public disclosure of the inflammatory contents of a private e-mail distribution list (25 November 2007)
This was absolutely not regarding anything of the sort. And in any event, it is very very hard to imagine that this quote is in any way notable. It strikes me as an attempt to portray my position on an important issue (public disclosure of private em-mail) in a way that is not consistent with my actual position.--Jimbo Wales 02:30, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
- As Jeffq has written in his comments on this page, there are a number of quotes in the article that are unmemorable in themselves; they are documentary evidence for matters that would, at most, be of interest to no one but the wiki community. This lack of memorability and self-sufficiency alone would be reason to have them deleted. I am going to edit out all the wiki trivia and will transfer unsourced quotes to this talk page. - InvisibleSun 03:28, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Unsourced
- And so, we don't need a business model, we're just doing it. ~ 200?
- Most people are good. They may not be saints, but they are good.
- Stop the huns by showing them neighborly love!
[edit] Invisible Sun on a deletion kick
Please review these deletions of content by User:InvisibleSun. May we please have a discussion here to determine if these are legitimate purges of inappropriate content, or whether this is an inappropriate sanitizing of the quoted history of Jimmy Wales? -- Thekohser 19:54, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- Remove. I endorse InvisibleSun's position: this is wikiomphaloskepsis. The remarks are not so well said, insightful, or important to the world at-large as too merit inclusion here. That something served a documentary purpose in the context of a newspaper article does not, in itself, make it a remarkable quotation to be memorialized for posterity. ~ Ningauble 22:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
