Talk:Love/Archive 1

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Are there any quotes from[edit]

Are there any quotes from the "Wisdom of the sands" ?

Total wipe[edit]

It appears that the love section has been completely erased by some spammer and replaced with some repulsive links. Just in time for Valentine's Day, too. Sorry about erasing the whole page, BTW, but all that was left were those stupid links.

Reorganized List?[edit]

Would anyone object if I reorganized the list so that it is alphabetical by author name and not by the first letter of the quote? This way makes for a lot of 'a' and 't' quotes and doesn't make it very easy to find what you are looking for. hdstubbs

I certainly wouldn't object; surely it's the standard to alphabetize quotation lists according to author anyway? Certainly, this way of doing things isn't very clear.--Joseph Q Publique 07:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Lennon/McCartney[edit]

And in the end The love you take Is equal to the love You make

(The End - Abbey Road)

Cleanup tag[edit]

I've added a cleanup tag to this article for three reasons:

  1. First and foremost, there is no separation between Sourced and Attributed quotes. This makes it easier for folks to add quotes from themselves or other non-notables with impunity.
  2. The VERSES section (bad heading format) looks like it includes entire poems, which should either be removed for copyright violation or moved to Wikisource. Wikiquote aims for pithy excerpts, not entire works.
  3. Some general cleanup of headings and infrastructure would be good, too.

I don't hold any hope that such work will be done anytime soon, but I've tagged it so we know we where we have some more work to do. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:55, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps these quotes should be catagorized by topic (i.e. loss of love, unrequited love, et cetera) instead of by author or by first word. It would be quite a task though.

I want to give this some work so what I want to do is organize them not by starting letter but simply by author when searching for a quote in this case on love your more likely to know the author you want then the starting word. If anyone has any objections please tell me. ~ DFA 00:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

It would be the most useful to organize the quotes by topic. Listing quotes by author is rather confusing when you're looking for something. Since it it much easier to remember the general context of the quote isntead of the author's name, and if you do know the author's name and is looking for a quote from the person, you can always look under the author's article. --Kultz 05:25, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Point taken =) however could anyone give any feedback on how to handle the content organization or if I should just scrap the contents box all together? ~ DFA 18:44, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Alphabetical by author is one of the standard ways of organizing theme pages, and would be acceptable here — alphabetical by quote has simply been used in the past to make it easier to prevent duplicates. Organizing by sub-topic is in my view the least desirable way of organizing most "theme" pages: the selecting of sub-topics can by highly arbitrary and lead to many forms of redundancy, and on a few pages has led to a profusion of rather pointless categories, with one or two quotes to a section. If you don't know the author, but know a word or two of content you can simply do a word search of the page, and there is no need for a clutter of categories. I'm very much against the profusion of "sub-topics" that has occurred on a few pages; sorting by author is far more straightforward and simple. ~ Achilles 19:18, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Valid points, but what about if a person is looking for quotes of a specific context? (IE:Looking for quotes criticizing love) Searching for keywords in this case would be highly difficult, as a large amount of quotes dealing with a subject may not even mention the keywords in the sentence, instead using some form of metaphor. --Kultz 05:57, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

What about organizing it by say, profession of the author? You've got plenty of writers, philosophers, actors, movies, songs, singers, and religious leaders to do it. Or atleast perhaps seperate the music and movie quotes from the rest. --Hideyuki7 09:43, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Now that lots of tireless work has been done moving unsourced quotes to this Talk page, how about changing the CLEANUP tag to a TODO list (still at the head of article). This is more relevant since cleanup has been done and a smaller font is more aesthetically pleasing when seeing the article for the first time.
Suggested TODO list - please amend...
Tasks you can do
√ * Find sources for quotes which are listed here >> Talk:Love#Unsourced_quotes <<.
√ * Clean up following these Universal Themes >> wikiquote guidelines <<
Hope this helps. Mediation4u 12:25, 23 August 2011 (UTC) editing is fun
Consensus summary of above discussions:
  1. Keep alphabetical to reduce duplicates.
  2. Keep the quotes on one page
So... propose replacing the Cleanup Tag with the above TODO list, and having the TODO list appear after the article's introduction A-Z navigation section and image, NOT right at the head of the article, for aesthetic reasons. Any opinions on this?
Mediation4u 10:00, 14 November 2011 (UTC)editing is fun
No objections in 2 months, so implementing the 23-Aug-2011 proposal above.
Hope this helps, Mediation4u 07:27, 16 November 2011 (UTC) editing is fun

Removed Death Cab for Cutie quote[edit]

Somebody had entered the following:

"Fear is the heart of love." - Death Cab for Cutie

I removed it because it's undergone an especially egregious contextectomy in coming up with that wording. The actual lyric only includes the above as part of a quote that the author is rejecting. The verse is:

"Catholic school, as vicious as Roman rule. I got my knuckles bruised my a lady in black. I held my tongue as she told me: 'Son, fear is the heart of love.' So I never went back." - Death Cab for Cutie

This doesn't seem directly relevant to this quote section, so I didn't enter it in the original's place, but I couldn't really see letting a quote whose intent has been so altered stand.

"Hate the Sin, love the Sinner"[edit]

Gandhi did say this many times, but he isn't the first person to do so, I'm sure. It's a far older quote than that.

Split this page[edit]

Shouldn't this page be split into several themed pages? Or at least two. There are quite a few quotes on love, and the content organization question would be partly answered if you split it into two pages. Anniid 01:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: proposal to merge intimate relationship skills into Love[edit]

The merge proposal page is a sister page to Wikipedia's: intimate relationship skills article.
As such, this page is intended for quotes on conflict, divorce, attachment theory and other topics in the wikipedia article: intimate relationship skills.
I do not think it is appropriate to merge,
So thank you for the suggestion and spotting the similarity, There is now a link across to Love which will benefit both pages.
Geoffjw1978 06:32, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Immortal Technique quote[edit]

I've twice removed the bolded part of the following Immortal Technique quote because it's not original:

  • Hold the person that you love closely if they're next to you, the one you love, not the person that'll simply have sex with you. Appreciate them to the fullest extent and then beyond, cause you never really know what you got until its gone.

Quotes should be pithy and original. If anything in this lyric is worth quoting, it's the first part, not the second. Please do not re-add the rest of the lyric without providing a reasonable justification for doing so. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Reordered list[edit]

I've reordered the list so that the quotes are organised according to the last name of the quoted person, rather than how it previously was - it's easier to find quotes by particular notables now than it was.--Joseph Q Publique 12:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the work on this. It was one of the many articles I had meant to do work on for some time, but other things kept me busy. I might move all the Anon quotes to a section after those with cited authors, remove the cleanup tag, and do a bit more work on this later today. ~ Kalki 12:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Verses[edit]

I think the "Verses" section should be removed and the quotes there arranged by author with the others. If no one objects I might do this within the next few days. ~ Kalki 13:34, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


Cleanup Approach[edit]

Hi everyone.

  • I spent a couple of hours cleaning up this page today. I didn't change the existing "structure" but I agree with the others that this page is unruly and needs guidelines.
  • In the meantime, cleanup is required especially to clean up after folks who are dropping in their quotes in the incorrect alphabetical order, without proper links, etc.
  • I suggest for anyone attempting to help clean this up to focus first on standardization of the page's smaller parts -- following the guidelines set out in the Wikiquote:Templates. Secondly, standard guidelines can be stated and applied to deal with large bodies of text entered.
  • After that, consideration should be given to Love in sub-themes, and special sources of quotes such as "Bible" quotes which could also be sub-themes.

Hitrish 06:52, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'm spending more time on this today...

  • Initial thoughts for the guidelines for this Theme page are:
    • If the author and/or works (from which the quote or partial quote is derived) doesn't exist on any WikiMedia project sites (i.e., Wikipedia, Wikisource, Wikiquote), then it doesn't belong here.
      • It's a huge task to validate and source these out, and in trying to do so I've run into all sorts of snags -- and can't verify some of them at all.
    • If the contributor wants to post an obscure quote from people, songs, scores, or poetry, etc., that person must first follow the guidelines for posting a "People" page on Wikiquote, or an article in Wikipedia, etc., and then it can be added to this Theme page.
      • By implementing this guideline, many obscure quotes that cannot be verified or "sourced" can be disqualified and retired to a section of the Talk page (or other).

Hitrish 01:33, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Per our guidelines, I have moved all unsourced or inadequately sourced quotes to the talk page. Furthermore, given the length of the entry as it was, we should split it into smaller pages - on Romantic love, for one, maybe Familial love, and others. BD2412 T 01:50, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

This seems like a hatchet job with your moving all supposed unsourced or inadequately sourced quotes from the main page. I really question your judgment here. You have removed some very notable quotes and in doing so I think you compromise the ultimate intent of this website. --TBliss 02:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

So source them properly (author, work, line or page in work if applicable, and date of publication) and move them back. It's that simple. BD2412 T 14:36, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
I've sourced about a half dozen of these now, and already I've found a significant misattribution (a Carl Sandburg quote was attributed to Benjamin Franklin) and small but important errors in the actual content of quotes. BD2412 T 16:03, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Unsourced quotes index page created[edit]

Please see Talk:Love/Unsourced quotes. -- Cirt (talk) 23:38, 11 December 2011 (UTC)