Talk:Moshe Dayan

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[edit] Fake quote?

RE:

We have no solution, you shall continue to live like dogs, and whoever wishes may leave, and we will see where this process leads. As quoted by Noam Chomsky in The Washington Free Press (May/June 2002)

The page that is linked to does not exist. It is not characteristic of Dayan, and Chomsky is not a reliable source of Dayan quotes. It is likely that either Dayan never said the above, or it was taken (grossly) out of context. 82.166.79.249 17:35, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

A new link has been made to the original article. Davecornell

I've moved this quote to "Attributed" because I suspect the only English source for the quote is Chomsky himself, who seems to have had an agenda in repeating this quote as often as possible. It may be from his 1991 book Deterring Democracy (or its 1992 edition with a new afterword), but I found it repeated in at least seven different Chomsky books from 1996 through 2006 (not to mention the essay now cited in our article and at least one other essay in a collection by various contributors). Every Google Book Search instance I found ultimately traced back to Chomsky, except possibly:

• Finkelstein, Norman G. (2005). Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History. pp. p. 16. ISBN 0520245989. 

… which I couldn't preview online. I may take a peek at this later today at the library to see what I can find there. Meanwhile, a non-reliable source suggests the origin of Chomsky's comes from "Yossi Beilin, Mehiro shel Ihud 42-43 (Revivim, 1985), a Hebrew book written by Israeli dove Beilin". I invite our Hebrew readers to see if they can find and cite any original version of this they can find. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 06:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Update: the Finkelstein citation is irrelevant. I was trying to track down Antony Loewenstein's use of this Dayan quote on page 95 of his book My Israel Question (ISBN 0522852688), and I read the wrong note. (Google Book Search often leaves out pages in its previews, perhaps to reduce the sting of arguable copyvio, and I'd failed to notice that I'd jumped a chapter sifting through the citations in the "Notes" section.) The problem remains that we do not have an original reliable publication for this infamous quote. We could use some help here. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 16:43, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

This is confirmed Dayan, the source is: Yossi Beilin, Mehiro shel Ihud (Revivim, 1985), 42 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.11.1.130 (talk • contribs) 18:07, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I've already pointed out that an unreliable source makes this claim. Just repeating it doesn't make it any more reliable. It would help if someone would can read Hebrew could take the trouble to find this book, examine the passage, and quote both the original and a translation, preferably with some surrounding material to show that they aren't just repeating what others are claiming. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 19:22, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

What about a new section labeled "Attributed"? It's a quote from Chomsky's writings attributed to Moshe Dayan. Davecornell 22:46, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

That seems reasonable. The quote is famously attributed to Dayan by Chomsky, but we don't yet appear to have enough evidence to declare it either well-sourced or misattributed. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 02:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unsourced

Wikiquote no longer allows unsourced quotations, and they are in process of being removed from our pages (see Wikiquote:Limits on quotations); but if you can provide a reliable, precise and verifiable source for any quote on this list please move it to Moshe Dayan. --Antiquary 20:43, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

• Freedom is the oxygen of the soul.

• I know of nothing more exciting than war.

• If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends. You talk to your enemies.

• Our American friends offer us money, arms, and advice. We take the money, we take the arms, and we decline the advice.

• We have returned to the holiest of our Holy Places, never to part from it again.
  • On the unification of Jerusalem by Israeli forces