Ongoing Style Thoughts
I'm going back and forth about how to deal with the headings and TOC. I'm thinking about changing the headings so that the TOC has better organization. Like, Phil is item #1, and then everyone else is under #2, which doesn't make sense. Perhaps we should break things out as:
1. Phil Himself
2. Phil's "Guests" and callers
3. Celebrities whom Phil lampoons (i.e. Michael Moore, Bill Maher, maybe Art?)
Then create sub-headings for everything that needs it, i.e:
1.1 Raj Faneen
1.1.1 Raj's song about America
Also, I think putting Art/Gen. Jameson/Igor/Ross under Coast to Coast, under Guests made sense to me, not sure why Bluesykillerhorn flattened that back out. I only say this because people like Igor and Ross don't make much sense to be not somehow grouped with Art. Let me know what you think. --ndc 18:51, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Well, here's the thing, I do think that Art, Ross, Gen Jameson and Igor should be grouped together, but the way it was done before had their names in that smaller bold style than the other characters, which was why I changed it and is also why I had them above the rest of the characters so it would match the others. I'm not attached to it or anything, though. If you want it the other way that's fine (I'll change it back, if you haven't already).
I also think that added more sub-heads would be a good idea, maybe also to separate the conversation parts from the 1 line quotes, just an idea. I've also been organizing these quotes from shortest to longest but if you have a different idea maybe we can start organizing them some other way.
Bluesykillerhorn 04:21, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
- Arright, cool. I'll see if there's a way to make Art and the others appear in the same font w/o screwing up the TOC - what you said makes sense to me too. I'm out this weekend, but I'll try a big reorg next Monday and see how it looks. I like the idea of somehow differentiating the single comments from the conversations. This article is a pain because it doesn't really fit any of the predefined style guides... kind of like how Phil's show doesn't fit any predefined rules on what a radio show is. =) --ndc 15:07, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
- Okay, I did that big reorg. I dumped C2C back out to it's own top level (it just formats better this way), as well as created new top levels for all the misc stuff (if this is too much, we can create a "Misc" top level again, and make those sub-headings). I also used == for the top level sections and === for the sub sections because = headings are so large (the same size as the page heading at the top). Let me know what you think about all this. This is, of course, Wikiquote, so I welcome ideas and changes. --ndc 19:45, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
This new way is looking better.
220.127.116.11 09:27, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
Stuff to keep in mind while editing/cleaning up.
When I add quotes I try my best to make it similar to how it was said on the show. For example, I know that before the word "and" you don't need a comma. Sometimes I use a comma and sometimes I don't. The reason is that I put one there depending on if there was a pause or not before it was said. Also I'll put "..." if there's an implied pause or just a pause, or "......" if it's extra long. Just wanted you to know that somethings may look like errors, but are implied.
Bluesykillerhorn 06:37, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
- I have generally tried to avoid editing other's edits, especially if they're ones I haven't heard. It's best to give the benefit of the doubt to the original author. I agree with the way you write them up, though, I also use punctuation improperly for the benefit of accuracy. --ndc 17:33, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Is all this description really necessary on this page? All the show background and character info is already on Wikipedia. I would think that there should just be quotes here. --ndc 29 June 2005 22:36 (UTC)
- Okay, I did some major retooling here, so it fits the style templates a bit better. I removed all the stuff I mentioned above since this is Wikiquote, not Wikipedia (it looks like that had just been a cut and paste anyway) and also removed the page or two about Chris Norton. It was interesting, but was way out of place here (all that was saved from it were 2 quotes at the end). --ndc 30 June 2005 00:14 (UTC)
- I think your reformatting matchs our custom and quite well. Thank you for your cleaning-up! --Aphaia 30 June 2005 00:21 (UTC)
Okay, I did some more formatting. I put Coast To Coast back under Guests/Chars, becuase it would seem it belongs there, but Phil probably belongs on his own. --ndc 00:36, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Errors in Quotes
I think a discussion to clarify certain quotes that someone may think to be inaccurate would be useful, after all I don't want to assume that a quote is wrong, because sometimes the same type of thing happens more than once on the show.
I'll start with a part with Bud Dickman that's been bothering me. Does anyone know if the part where Bud says that the delivery man looks like Bruce Lee happened more than once? The conversation between Bud and Phil isn't quite the same as the one I heard and am thinking about fixing it, but I don't know if the one on this page was a separate incident or not.
Bluesykillerhorn 00:43, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
- I was wondering if we should start trying to include show dates and hours so that quotes can be verified. --ndc 19:00, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
How about footnotes? For now I'll just start adding the footnotes then from there if you have a different idea maybe we can pursue that. This'll give us something to start with, at least.
Bluesykillerhorn 22:27, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
I guess nobody's gonna say anything about the Bud Dickman part... I'll remove it, for now.
Bluesykillerhorn 21:56, 16 August 2005 (UTC)