Talk:T. S. Eliot
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[edit] Emphasis
Why some verses are emphasized? —This unsigned comment is by Leandro (talk • contribs) .
[edit] Copyright
The amount of quotes from individual works is excessive, especially bearing in mind that some of these works are relatively short to begin with being poems. Tyrenius 03:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
- I don't find it excessive. There are large sections of poetry, but these are mostly from plays and books which are far more extensive than the quotations which have been used. Most of the poems or plays are themselves rather long, and other than Old Possum's Book of Practical Cats Eliot really isn't known for writing short simple poems. ~ Kalki 04:20, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
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- The Hollow Men has approximately 98 lines. This article quotes 70 lines, i.e. over 70% of the original. The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock has approximately 130 lines. This article quotes 82 lines, i.e. 63%. These are blatant copyright infringements. Tyrenius 05:28, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Agreed with Tyrenius. The current amount of quotes from, e.g. The Waste Land seems to me fine (within the limit of Fair Use). Quoting 70 lines from 98 seems problematic, specially unless we give an explicit reason why we need to quote those lines. --Aphaia 06:56, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
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- I just cut the selections from "The Hollow Men" down to 33 original lines, not counting the two non-copyrighted lines that Eliot himself is quoting. I can agree that selections from that had grown a bit large, and that it is still under copyright. "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" is more extensively quoted than we could prudently quote a more modern poem, but it was first published in 1915 and thus there is no copyright infringement, because it is no longer under copyright protection, at least within the U.S. It has been widely published and available as public domain material in its entirety for many years in many places, including Project Gutenberg and Wikisource. The same is true for "The Waste Land", published in 1922. ~ Kalki 07:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
- I did go ahead and cut out a few lines from "Prufrock" as well, as some of the preliminary lines are not quite so striking and famous as most of those that now remain. ~ Kalki 07:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Lead image
Ideally the lead image would be one of Eliot, but none are currently available at the Wikimedia Commons. When the one I had used, taken by E.O. Hoppé in 1919, was removed from the commons on 1 May 2007, I replaced it with one I found somewhat evocative, though not entirely satisfactory: Image:OCULUS IN THE PANTHEON.JPG. Today replaced that image with one that is perhaps slightly better Image:M51 whirlpool galaxy black hole.jpg. Others that I considered using were Image:Redsquare tuthill big.jpg and Image:Summit of glastonbury tor.jpg (because of its location in Somerset, where Eliot's family had lived, and where he had his ashes placed) but these didn't seem as good a fit. Of course none of them are as good as an image of Eliot would be, and hopefully a good one of Eliot will eventually become available to us. ~ Kalki 21:53, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Eliot vs Auden
According to Wikiquote, W.H. Auden was an "English-born American poet". According to this article, Eliot was an "Anglo-American poet". Moving in opposite directions, they became citizens of the US and UK respectively (Auden spent his last years in England and Austria). Shouldn't at least one of them be listed as English, rather than American? Much as I, personally, think that the work of both of them is much more English than American and much as I prefer Auden, in the official sense shouldn't that "one" be Eliot? JO24--89.10.28.207 17:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Pictures?
What on earth is with these pictures all over the page? 24.108.171.41 21:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
- They are excessive, create large white spaces in the text (certainly on a low resolution screen) and serve only to undermine the original text by turning it into some kind of kitsch presentation. They shoud go. Tyrenius 09:09, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Unsourced
Wikiquote no longer allows unsourced quotations, and they are in process of being removed from our pages (see Wikiquote:Limits on quotations); but if you can provide a reliable and precise source for any quote on this list please move it to T. S. Eliot. --Antiquary 22:19, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
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