Talk:The Matrix (film)

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The subject of this article is a film, and as a result, there should only be: five quotes per hour (about one quote every 12 minutes).

If you would like to add another quote to the page, you may first need to remove one that is already there in order to keep within the bounds of fair use of copyright material.


Note on the reference to "Tasty Wheat": in The Matrix: Revolutions, there is a scene in which Morpheus, Trinity, and Seraph all chase after the Trainman. In one such scene at the second railwayt station (not the white tile one), they run past an billboard advertisment. This advertisment shows the text "Tasty Weete" I think. Perhaps the reference should be changed?

"Tasty Wheat" has been changed now, to "Tastee Wheat". ~ Kalki 07:00, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Dodge Bullets[edit]

Doesn't that merit a mention? Dodging bullets and not having to?

A small modification[edit]

I've deleted "Trinity: Neo, no one has ever done anything like this. Neo: That's why it's going to work." from the dialogues, because it repeats at the very end, in "Tank: So what do you need? Besides a miracle. Neo: Guns. Lots of guns. Trinity: Neo, no one has ever done anything like this. Neo: That's why it's going to work."

Typo?[edit]

Towards the end of the "Dialogue" section, there's what looks like a small error: "Agent Brown: If, indeed, the insider has failed, they'll sever the connection as soon as possible. uUess..."

Should the last word be "Unless"?

220.239.146.60 13:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup Notes[edit]

I am in the process of cleaning up this article (01 Aug 09). According to Wikipedia, this movie is approximately 140 minutes (almost 2.5 hours). As per WQ:Limits, that allows this article approximately 15 quotes. I will be as charitable as possible in trying to choose appropriate quotes based on the limits and all the Wikipolicies I have read.

I'm also bolding significant quotes: quotes that were either especially significant to the movie, somewhat notable in the real world due to the movie (eg., "Dodge this."), or are particularly quotable on their own (eg., "There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."). Peace and Passion ("I'm listening....") 00:50, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
As of now there are 18 remaining quote "units" (i.e., quotes plus chunks of dialogue), not including taglines, as they don't fall under the same provisions for copyright. I estimated that 15 was fair for this article. Of the 18, 2 are taglines incorporated into the script, which I believe makes them fair game. That leaves us with 16, one above the value I estimated—I think this is safe for now. Anyone, however, who wants to add a quote: be careful when adding quotes, and consider their importance to the film, their quotability outside the film, and their context (eg., does another one of the quotes basically say the same thing). Also, if you add quotes, you must strongly consider appropriately removing another quote. Be especially careful with the dialogue section; I have only included sections of dialogue where the interplay of conversation is concise, meaningful, understandable and relevant--especially not dialogue wherein one of the lines would stand as a quote on its own. Too often on Wikiquote there is dialogue of a mundane conversation (full of speech fillers, like uh-huh, yeah, ummm, etc.) with one line which is quotable. I removed all dialogue which was redundant (i.e., having one quotable line within the dialogue was already quoted in this article). Peace and Passion ("I'm listening....") 01:37, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Trinity?[edit]

Quotes? Byu 16:22, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

More Cleanup[edit]

Since no one has done so for some time and there is a clear need, I'm going to take a stab at cleaning up this article. I am not planning to fully loq trim everything here, as I don't know that this article could be trimmed all the way to 14-15 quotes without eliminating crucial lines, and I believe this movie is culturally significant enough to merit an exception to the policy. That said, there are numerous cases of overquoting, duplicate quotes, and insignificant quotes (i.e. "Whoa" for Neo) that can be removed. I'm mainly going to focus on those changes to smooth out the article and avoid situations where several consecutive scenes are quoted in their entirety. Wolfson (talk) 19:33, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikilinks[edit]

Kalki, while I understand your point that wikilinks are a standard part of most articles, the sheer number of links you're adding is clearly excessive. A few wikilinks that connect to key concepts which help illuminate the quote make sense, but not arbitrarily making every other word a link.

For example: the Neo quote "I know you're out there. I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid. You're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone, and then I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you. A world without rules or controls, borders or boundaries. A world where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you." Links on words like "future" and "choice" may make sense, but do links to words like "know", "feel", "now", or "end" really add anything to the reading or understanding of the quote? I consider links like that as simply adding wikilinks for the sake of having links, and an excessive use of the concept. If you're going to revert their removal again, please at least go through and stick to links that are helpful and make sense. —This unsigned comment is by Wolfson (talkcontribs) .

This is a wiki project for the gathering of quotes of shows and works and people ABOUT various concepts — and I strongly believe that there are no concepts with developed pages which should be excluded from being linked by standard hypertext links because someone considers any links to such "trivial" concepts as Honesty, knowledge, love, truth, Time, thought, freedom, mind, change, world, rules, control, irony, slavery, prison, and belief "excessive". Too many links to the same concept in the same section would be excessive — but links within various sections of body text and captions are convenient and useful to those who wish to explore other expressions which people have made upon such concepts. To quote the above with links:
I know you're out there. I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid. You're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone, and then I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you. A world without rules or controls, borders or boundaries. A world where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you.
One might not "need" wikilinks to adequately understand the quote — but I believe that one certainly does NOT understand this quote well IF one seeks to erect rules and controls borders and boundaries to the IDEAS which people can explore. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 10:21, 27 June 2014 (UTC) + tweaks