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Say, genius, you DO realize that Caller ID works internationally? Also, telephone speakers have volume limitation. --Calton 11:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- I have no idea what you're talking about.--Primetime 17:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I can support you.
Please. Take our place here seriously. I discovered your recent socks w:Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Primetime#Primetime (13th request) and I thought I would join in.
--Huard116 00:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Re: I can support you.
Concerns about your use of Wikiquote resources
Primetime, I've noticed that you have quite a checkered career thus far at Wikimedia. You have been confirmed as a harrasser of many Wikimedians after being blocked for repeated posting of copyright-violating material, which is one of the few things that is absolutely forbidden by the Wikimedia Foundation. In fact, you seem to have chalked up enough negative activity to have earned the rare privilege of a block-on-sight edict across all projects.
English Wikiquote tends to deal with users almost exclusively on the basis of their activity on this project, and tries to be forgiving for occasional errors. We saw no need to block you for your earlier, one-time copyright violation. Nor has anyone yet suggested removing your diatribe against Wikipedia on your user page. I am also somewhat disappointed that an apparently respected Wikipedian chose to taunt you publicly on this page above, which lends some support to your ill feelings about Wikipedia.
But I am quite troubled by your recent use of Wikiquote user talk pages and its email subsystem to openly arrange apparent attempts to cause mischief; specifically, your discussion with known vandal Jeff Q (talk) 17:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)and his sockpuppets about orchestrating further misuse of Wikimedia resources. Since you have been once again identified as a current perpetrator of such activity — using sockpuppets on English Wikipedia, at least two of which were clear vandals, and confirmed by me as coming from the same IP as our "Primetime" — I must believe that your are abusing our tolerance here for the sake of harrassing other projects. Given that you have contributed very little thus far to Wikiquote, I can't help but think that this is the main purpose for your account here. Can you give me a legitimate reason why I should not block this username as well? Thank you for any clarification you can provide. ~
- Hi Jeff,
- First, thank you for allowing me to edit here. I didn't arrange anything with Huard. He heard about me on Wikipedia and was just curious about me. He wanted to know what the situation was there, nothing more. I don't think he's a bad guy. I asked him to e-mail me because, as you wrote, our conversation looked bad. I am also trying to be on good terms with the community here. I tried to remain on good terms with people at Wikipedia, too, but someone from Wiktionary started complaining to them about me.
- I plan to add more quotes to Wikiquote. I have a bunch of really good ones lying around. I hope you don't mind my user page, by the way. It has a sad tone, so if you like, I can blank it. I'm trying to leave Wikipedia behind me, anyway.
- Primetime 02:54, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- P.S. Don't put too much faith into that page on Wikipedia.
- Thank you for your quick response. Huard was a proven serial sockpuppeteer who insisted on creating patently junk articles, then created a username clearly meant as an attack on the admin trying to stop his junk creation. Junk articles are forgiveable if a new editor chooses to learn Wikiquote goals; repeated creation of junk articles is considered vandalism; and serial sockpuppetry is a fast track for a permanent ban. The last username was gratuitous; it's hard to credit anyone with the wiki knowledge and energy to be persistently disruptive with good faith, and his post about teaming up with you clearly indicated that he not only wanted to appear to be a vandal, but knew enough about Wikimedia events to seek you out for collaboration. He may be a real nice guy in real life, but he's a proven disrupter here.
- As long as you do not violate policies here and are not using Wikiquote resources to cause problems for other projects, I think your fellow Wikiquotians would prefer to give you the benefit of the doubt. Unless I'm told otherwise by the Foundation, or other events force a re-evaluation, I'll take no further action on this.
- I don't want you to feel that I expect you to blank your anti-Wikipedia statement. I do recall some of my own writings that, while expressing heartfelt anger at difficult situations, in retrospect said more about me than it did about the situations (and not particularly flattering things, either). You seize on the idea of your opponents calling themselves "janitors", but don't seem to realize that this is intentional humility used as a means of respecting the custodial nature of doing necessary maintenance on a project that only works because the contributors vastly outnumber the admins. (Jimmy Wales & co. tried using only credentialled people (see Nupedia), but that proved unworkable. I think just about everyone has been surprised how useful Wikipedia has proven to be, despite its many and obvious flaws. In the end, it's the utility that matters, and we must learn how to work together knowing that not everyone has the same skill set.)
- We don't require that people edit, although I certainly hope you will resume your contributions. I only ask that you be very careful about copyright issues. Copyvio is a far more serious problem here than at Wikipedia. Nearly all of our content is copyrighted, so we must work hard to avoid using any more than an insignificant portion of any creative work in each and every article (and in many cases, even in each and every section of an article). In case you weren't aware of this, French Wikiquote was shut down for nearly a year, and had to start completely from scratch because their copyvio problems became unacceptable to the government and infringed parties there. We ourselves continue to struggle with this problem. In fact, the most useful work anyone could do here is to weed out lesser quotes, as well as source the better ones, so that we are both compliant and accurate. Let me know if you have any questions about this. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 03:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)