User talk:Unbreakable MJ

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Hi Unbreakable MJ. Welcome to English Wikiquote.

Enjoy! ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:12, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Bram Cohen quote[edit]

Hi. Thanks for the welcoming message. Today I was looking for Bram Cohen's quote "Give and ye shall receive" which I couldn't find here. Can I create a topic with just that? As for sources, I later found the quote on Introduction page as well as on Bram Cohen Quotes page, which could help starting an article on Cohen. Waiting for your advice. --Unbreakable_MJ 13:47, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Certainly. I see you are a Wikipedia user, so you probably know how to create a new page from there. You can also use Help:Starting a new page#Using input box to start a new "people" article and fill in the details. There's a lot of boilerplate that you will want to remove for just a stub article, but this will show you the general outline of Wikiquote people articles. Either way, the most important things in this case (besides the quote itself) are to:

  • include the Wikipedia link;
  • place the quote under either "Sourced" or "Attributed" (depending on whether there is a uniquely identified source for the quote, like a specific book or news article);
  • add a {{people-stub}} tag; and
  • add a category (Category:Programmers, I'd suggest).

Hope this helps. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 19:04, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Yep, that was very helpful. Thank you. How's my 1st article (Bram Cohen)? --Unbreakable_MJ 18:52, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Well done! Your first article was far better sourced and structured than most editors'. There are a few issues of formatting, but it's much easier to fix formatting than to do a good sourcing job. Anyway, here are some observations:
  • Current policy is to leave off quote marks around quotes, as the list format gives them their own line, and the absence eliminates the inner-quote problem.
  • "Source:" is considered redundant, as a proper source citation should be an obvious source line.
  • Article citations should include the article title and especially the date whenever possible. It's more important to identify when the quote was said or written than when it was accessed, although this info can be useful, too.
  • If there's necessary contextual info (e.g., "about his Asperger's Syndrome"), it should be separated from the source, usually following it on a separate line (although some include it on the same line as the source if both are very short).
  • We discourage links to other quote sites unless there's a compelling reason to include them. (Most of them are atrociously error-prone and utterly lacking in sources, anyway, so they're usually of little value other than starting points for robust Wikiquote articles.)
  • Even if an external site is included, one shouldn't repeat the link with every quote. The only reason to include more than one link per source is if there is an anchor that takes the reader directly to the quote.
There are other minor quibbles about date formats and stub position, but these are even less critical than the above list. I've reformatted Bram Cohen along these lines to show you what we try to aim for. But as I said, this was a much more useful article right from the start than most new editors' (and quite a few not-so-new ones, too). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 19:08, 11 March 2006 (UTC)