Wikiquote:Votes for deletion

Votes for deletion is the process where the community discusses whether a page should be deleted or not, depending on the consensus of the discussion.

Please read and understand the Wikiquote deletion policy before editing this page.

• Explain your reasoning for every page you list here, even if you think it is obvious.
• Always be sure to sign your entry or vote, or it will not be counted.

The process

Requesting deletions

To list a single article for deletion for the first time, follow this three-step process:

I: Put the deletion tag on the article.

Insert the {{vfd-new}} tag at the top of the page. Please do not mark the edit as minor. Use the edit summary to indicate the nomination; this can be as simple as "VFD". You can check the "Watch this page" box to follow the page in your watchlist. This allows you to notice if the VfD tag is removed by a vandal. Save the page.

II: Create the article's deletion discussion page.

Click the link saying "this article's entry" to open the deletion-debate page. Copy the following: {{subst:vfd-new2| pg=PAGENAME| text=REASONING — ~~~~}}. Replace PAGENAME with the name of the page you're nominating, and REASONING with an explanation of why you think the page should be deleted. Note that the signature/timestamp characters (~~~~) are placed inside the braces {{ }}, not outside as with standard posts. Explanations are important when nominating a page for deletion. While it may be obvious to you why a page should be deleted, not everyone will understand and you should provide a clear but concise explanation. Please remember to sign your comment by putting ~~~~ at the end. Consider checking "Watch this page" to follow the progress of the debate. Save the page.

III: Notify users who monitor VfD discussion.

Copy the tag below, and then click  THIS LINK  to open the deletion log page. At the bottom of the log page, insert: {{subst:vfd-new3 | pg=PAGENAME}} replacing PAGENAME appropriately. Please include the name of the nominated page in the edit summary. Save the page. Your insertion will be automatically expanded to the same form as the preceding lines in the file: {{Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/PAGENAME}}. Consider also adding {{subst:VFDNote|PAGENAME}} ~~~~ to the talk page of the article's principal contributor(s).

Note: Suggestions for requesting deletion of multiple pages, non-article pages, and repeat nominations may be found at VFD tips.

Voting on deletions

Once listed, the entire Wikiquote community is invited to vote on whether to keep or delete each page, or take some other action on it. Many candidate articles will have specific dates by which to vote; if none is given, you can assume at least seven days after the article is listed before the votes are tallied.

To vote, jump or scroll down to the entry you wish to vote on, click its "edit" link, and add your vote to the end of the list, like one of these:

• Keep. ~~~~
• Delete. ~~~~
• (other actions; explain) ~~~~
• Comment (not including action) ~~~~

Possible other actions include Merge, Rename, Redirect, Move to (sister project). Please be clear and concise when describing your action.

The four tildes (~~~~) will automatically add your user ID and a timestamp to your vote. This is necessary to ensure each Wikiquotian gets only a single vote. You can add some comments to your vote (before the tildes) to explain your reasons, but it is not required. However, it may help others to decide which way to vote.

Please do not add a vote after the closing date and time; any late vote may be struck out and ignored by the closing admin.

NOTE: Although we use the term "vote", VfD is not specifically a democratic process, as we have no way of verifying "one person, one vote". It is designed to "take the temperature" of the community on a subject. Sysops have the responsibility of judging the results based on a variety of factors, including (besides the votes) policies, practices, precedents, arguments, compromises between conflicting positions, and seriousness of the participants.

Closing votes and deleting articles

Sysops have the responsibility to review the list and determine what articles have achieved a consensus, whether it is for deletion, preservation, or some other action. All candidate articles should be listed here at least seven days before the votes are tallied. Many VfD entries will have "Vote closes" notices to indicate when the votes will be tallied.

• The sysop tallying the vote should add a "vote closed" header with the result of the vote, and sign it.
• If consensus is for deletion, the sysop should follow the deletion process to delete the article.
• If it is to keep, or if there is no consensus for action, the sysop should remove the {{vfd-new}} tag from the article and post a notice on the article's talk page about the completed VfD, including a link to the VfD discussion on that article. The {{vfd-kept-new}} template can be used for a standard notice.
• There may also be a vote to move (rename) or otherwise change the article. The sysop's actions will depend on the specific situation in these cases. In those cases, a notice should also be posted on the talk page documenting the decision.

To avoid conflict of interest, a sysop should never close a VfD that he or she started. However, a sysop may close a VfD in which he or she has voted.

After a reasonable time, a sysop will then move the entire entry into the appropriate month page of the VfD log. (During this transition period, some old discussions are available only in the old Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive.)

Note: In the interest of cross-wiki cooperation, please check Wikipedia to make sure their articles don't link back to an article that has just been deleted. Also de-link any other language edition articles (though if you find that daunting, EVula is more than happy to do so).

Reviewing closed votes

All closed votes will be archived indefinitely in per-month pages at Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Log. (A few are still found only in the old Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive.) See that page for details.

Deletion candidates

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: no consensus to delete. BD2412 T 23:25, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

LEGO Exo-Force

Non-notable webcomic from a product promotion website. Devoid of quotability.— Ningauble (talk) 13:59, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

• Vote closes: 14:00, 1724 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Not much discussion; extending for another seven days to allow more.--Collingwood (talk) 12:33, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

• Delete as nom. ~ Ningauble (talk) 13:59, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

• Comment: I'm not yet sure how to respond to this one - I actually disagree that it is devoid of quotability and the Dialogue section contains a few decent ones. But the argument regarding the notability of the source and whether or not it is really promotional material has more merit. I am inclined to keep it, but will consider a bit more. ~ UDScott (talk) 14:35, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
• Comment: I agree that one or two quotations have some merit. A borderline decision, though I am more likely to end up voting delete than keep.--Collingwood (talk) 19:48, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
• Reply: I am not seeing the quotabilty that you two are. Granted, there are one or two dialog snips that rise above the level of being completely vapid. Nevertheless, I don't see anything that rises above the level of uninspired hack writing that would never, under any circumstances I can imagine, appear in something like Bartlett's Familiar Quotations. I know we include a lot of weak and unoriginal material from the "vast wasteland" of television because of its irresistible ubiquity; but please, let's not do the same for other marketing venues. ~ Ningauble (talk) 18:22, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Ujjwal Patni

PRODded for Non-notability; PROD removed. Evidence of notability added, but I consider it unconvincing. There is a WP article, but notability is contested there too.— Collingwood (talk) 07:24, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

• Vote closes: 08:00, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

• Delete as nom.--Collingwood (talk) 07:24, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

• Keep

Honest Disclosure - I worked with patni as an associate motivational trainer till 2007 in India.

As i know his books, fan following, social contrubution and significant works very closely, i am amazed to see his name in deletion list. My reasons for voting against deletion are -

Multiple language indicative of notability and popularity

Ujjwal patni has written more than 6 books as per the citations, w:Flipkart and w:Amazon and published in more than 10 languages. Anybody who knows literary field understands that only the notable, popular or commercially successful authors get a chance of publishing in so many languages so notability of ujjwal patni is self explained.

Official Government award indicative of significant work

He has recieved one among the prestigious Government award of India 'pundit Sunderlal sharma literature award', that suggests that his achievements are significant enough to get recognized by the Government.

International language indicative of international presence

wp:Flipkart, the biggest online seller shows that most of his books are available in English and wp:Nepali, the language of wp:Nepal. These two languages endorse his international presence too.

Career of an author and motivational speaker indicate that he must be having own thoughts to quote and fan following

He is an author of many books on power thinking, motivation, introspection, communication skill and as a trainer he has also recieved the award Best corporate trainer of the year as per wp article. This suggests that he must be having his own fan following, reader base and thoughts to quote. If we verify that any quote is not original then we can edit , but as a author this is sufficient to be notable.

Presence on the top most TV channels

wp article tells about only two long solo interviews on w:DD national and w:Doordarshan. That are sufficient to make him notable as both are the official public broadcasters of India, however you tube show multiple TV appearence on different shows on topmost channels.

Academic notability indicative of quality

As per the wp article and more informations on Google, His books are used as reference books in personality development subject special - common to all branches for higher and specialized education institutions like w:National Institutes of Technology andw:Chhattisgarh Swami Vivekanand Technical University

The wp article is contested because one contributor feels that he is not notable outside India. That debate is still going on. However i feel that if his quotes are worthy, we must allow the quotes to reach to the world.

Anay jain (talk) 18:51, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Keep

I feel those who can think and create can definitely quote their thoughts. I present six reasons to keep patni because as per w:Author and w:Books, he is notable with multiple evidences on google. As a w:self help author and thinker, his quotes may be useful to wiki readers.

Reason 1] Positive reviews of three books in national newspapers http://www.ujjwalpatni.com/Book_Reviews.html. This link shows reviews of books authored by Patni. Though this link is extracted from patni's own site but the full article images/newspaper clippings contains dates and other details supported by other evidences on web.

a] Exclusive review of Great words, Win hearts dated 11/11/2005 in w:The Hitavada, the largest selling leading broadsheet English daily of Central India. On reading the review, i see that reviewer has praised the book and strongly recommended it.

b] Exclusive review of patni's book Winners and Losers dated 17/08/2008 in w:The Hitavada, the largest selling leading broadsheet English daily of Central India.The review is positive and the reviewer concludes with this line a good book for all of us looking for a dose of inspiration

c] Review of his latest release Power Thinking this month on 05/05/2012 in w: Rajasthan Patrika. This review is in hindi and extremely appreciative. The reviewer concludes with the line that the book is capable of bringing revolutionary changes in thinking process and rated it as a must read extraordinary book.

Reason 2] His books are in English and Nepali also apart from 10 Indian language. That is a worthy credential to make him notable as an author.

Reason 3] He has entered his name in Guinness book of world records along with his team displaying leadership and management skills. The event was organised to pay tribute to tsunami victims. Though Guinness is not a bench mark on wiki but the special part was that the record was created by chanting sacred w:Bhajan. This event motivated millions of common people as this was the first Guinness world record in the tribal dominated backward state of w:Chhattisgarh. As per an article, see http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050919/asp/jamshedpur/story_5242939.asp

Reason 4] He recieved the official state award for literature by the hands of Chief minister of Chhattisgarh w:Raman Singh and w:Arun Jaitley, leader of opposition in w:Rajya Sabha. Multiple other awards like the solo national award Kamal Patra from w:Junior Chamber International, Best corporate trainer of India by MTC Global and Lifetime achievement award by Bhilai branch of Junior chamber international.

Reason 5] As a author and thinker, long Solo interviews on leading official public broadcaster w:Doordarshan and w:DD National as presented here and on wp. Many other channels also featured patni in exclusive talk shows as seen on you tube. Some of the quotes presented here are a part of these interviews.

Reason 6] Not as a specialized academician but as a personality development expert, his books form a part of syllabus of engineering, journalism and other institutions and so definitely deserve a place here.

We must not get affected by the situation that his notability is contested by one person on wp due to unknown reasons. Evidences are verifiable from reputed sources and Sooner or later patni will get his due credit there also.

Asia karma (talk) 18:00, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

• Comment/question: Where is the actual evidence that this guy is even remotely as quotable as someone like Dale Carnegie, who became a nationally recognized household name and was highly influential on the corporate training and self improvement industry? We all appreciate that marketing gurus like to make promotional appearances and engage in publicity stunts; but what sets this guy apart from the masses of dime-a-dozen sales motivators? ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:21, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

• Reply:

you are right. Carnegie was a phenomenon, a guru of all gurus. But can we compare patni to Dale carnegie because both belong to different generation of thinkers. Both have their own individual identity. It would be fair to say that Carnegie's identity is established world wide and authors like Ujjwal Patni are tryng hard to become one like him. Many other authors are here on wiki who are not remotely as notable to carnegie but have a place here. Regarding the question what sets this guy apart from the masses of dime-a-dozen sales motivators? As per the evidences i feel that this guy believes in innovating methodologies in motivation and training, works in the direction of getting copyrights and patents for his innovations, strongly believes and acts on what he preaches. For the same , he recieved Excellent Global Trainer Badge. This is quite suggestive of quality of his work. http://www.personalityplusinternational.asia/awards_recognition.html

As per the evidences available, he started his first career as a successful dentist, undoubtedly a lucrative profession. Dime-a-dozen sales motivators are inclined towards earning money and not necessarily have a professional qualification of this standard. Then Patni left his high earning profession and changed his career to a motivational speaker just due to his inner passion for motivation and positive writing. Later he achieved national success as an author at a young age of 35 yrs and became popular enough to get published in 12 languages( 12 languages Regional , national or international is praiseworthy). All these comments suggest me that probably he is different from dozens of marketing gurus who just work for promotional appearances or publicity stunts. Now this dentist turned motivational speaker turned author is moving towards towards international success, so the people who appreciate his words and works seek a place for him in Wikiquotes. Nothing wrong in that.

Keep TRANSASIA (talk) 05:35, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Marginal Notability but positive. Quotes, specially Power Thinking ones are very effective, straight and sound original. Could be included as a contemporary thinker.

Keep Deep research (talk) 18:05, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

• Weak keep. Subject seems to have borderline notability, but this is enhanced by the field of endeavor being one that is likely to generate quoted or quotable material. BD2412 T 21:59, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Shardul Pandey

This article was {{prod}} because "No sourced quotes and dubious notability," but the tag was removed. Hagiography of this non-notable youth was deleted from Wikipedia. — Ningauble (talk) 15:32, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

• Vote closes: 16:00, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

• Delete as nom. (Note that the Wikipedia discussion was flooded by single-purpose IP edits.) ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:32, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. In light of the IP flood at 'pedia, I am preemptively restricting editing of this discussion to established editors. Cheers! BD2412 T 15:45, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
• Delete, per nom. ~ UDScott (talk) 17:26, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
• Delete, per nom. I wouldn't have been worried by a flood of IPs; they're easy enough to ignore. It might just lead to a flood of throwaway accounts.--Collingwood (talk) 20:47, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Semi-protection prevents edits by editors who have been here for only a few days (I think it is four), so an editor attempting to register a new account will find themselves still unable to edit a protected page, and will have no reason to make a flood of them. BD2412 T 05:16, 28 May 2012 (UTC)