Wikiquote talk:Village pump/Archive 1

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20000 quotations for you..[edit]

Hi,

I have a database with nearly 20000 English quotations (19920 exact) quote +author. I have created this database with the help of a small bot which I coded myself. I don't know if you could do anything with it (is copyright a problem?), but I would like to send it in csv format to you (if you want to have it), let me know..

That sounds like an impressive collection. Wikipedia does not collect many quotations, but our sibling project Wikiquote (http://www.wikiquote.org/) may be interested. Wikiquote:Village pump is probably the place to ask. Triskaideka 20:19, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
But note that yes, copyright may well be a problem - you say you got these quotes with a bot, so where exactly did you get them from? I mean, a website of quotations probably won't be too happy with you trawling through their pages and copying all the quotations so that you can go offering them to their rivals... - IMSoP 20:36, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Yes, I copied them from several websites, but I don't know which ones anymore. On the other hand, is that of any importance? Isn't "a quote" a free thing? Thousands of people publish large quote listings on their websites (wikiquote including), isn't that a crime too?

Anyway, if someone from wikiquote is interested, just let me know, I'll be happy to send it...

Thank you for your offer, but considering our past experience, quotes gathered from other websites has a serious disadvantage. So regretfully I have to conclude your collection are hardly incorporated to our project. For your information, in the early of 2006 French Wikiquote was closed since a significant amount of their content was a dumb copy from a certain quote website and thus the latter website holder complained the WMF. No one distinguished those copies from copyright-safe content, and all were removed by deletion. Even if the quotes themselves are okay, but then rendering their coupling or layout could causes a copyright infringement. --Aphaia 05:26, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Category main page?[edit]

Why is this article in the "main page" category? I would've thought that "Wikiquote" is all the category it needs... ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 07:25, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

overzealous[edit]

why is the "Welfare works of Hakeem Haji Muhammad Mohkam Din Qureshi" section left in place? apologies for being overzealous and nuking it without thinking. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.210.61.117 (talkcontribs) 00:29, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering about that. I can't figure out what point the editor is trying to make. If this were placed in an article, it would probably be nominated for deletion as a unsourced, non-quote article about an inadequately identified person who doesn't seem to have a Wikipedia article. The editor asks no question, like "does this belong in Wikiquote?". It just seems to be an unexplained dump of information, which is not the purpose of WQ:VP. I've removed it again and posted it on the anon editor's talk page, along with a question of what the intent was. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:55, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I hadn't really put much thought into what the content had been doing there in the first place; I just noticed that it had been removed without any sort of indication of why, which is usually because it's vandalism. Sorry about that. —LrdChaos 02:55, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I can understand your reaction. It feels extremely uncomfortable removing a posting from a discussion page like WQ:VP. I don't even like moving questions between it and WQ:RD when someone confuses the two. When I first saw "Welfare works" appear, I just punted on the excuse that I was too busy to consider it carefully. But I hope that moving it to the anon's user talk page will either (A) get them to explain what their intent was, or (B) show that they have no real interest other than to promote a pet idea. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:06, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Jeff, I noticed it first when I archived old stuffs and was wondering what I would be able to do ... Perhaps I have seen the writings, but form the same reason of you, I haven't considered it carefully until then. I support your moving, and nods it doesn't belong to the VP. --Aphaia 05:17, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Some Icky Grammar[edit]

Not to be a grammar nazi, but can we please change instances of "quote" on the page to "quotation" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Happivamp (talkcontribs) 13:28, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

This has been addressed many times. Please see Wikiquote:FAQ#"Quote" vs. "quotation". ~ Jeff Q (talk) 15:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Emergency Help!!![edit]

I am user:saikano and im trying to log on but it says my password is wrong but I only use "2' Passwords I use! Please notify someone that can help me at least get my password! Im sorry for creating thes sockpuppet but its all I have! --Satomi 12:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Nobody has access to your password but you, not even admins. Such requests are also frequently used by people trying to gain access to others' accounts, so we are usually quite skeptical about these requests. Since Saikano has not registered an email address, we have no way to verify your request. If you are indeed Saikano, since you last logged in less than 48 hours ago, I suggest you may just be mistyping your password without realizing it. (I've had that problem myself.) Since the password isn't shown while you type it, I recommend you use a text editor to carefully type your password, make sure it's correct, then copy and paste it into the login screen. I hope this helps. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 15:09, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Split?[edit]

I archived some older stuff and now the page is of 95KB. We have now an ongoing and lengthy discussion on copyright and there will be much more input, reports and opinions.

How do you think to split the page and create a subpage for copyright issues? There will be copyright guideline discussions and other copyright related topics.

Thought? --Aphaia 10:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Why shouldn't we just have those discussions at Wikiquote talk:Copyrights? ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:25, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Jeff - why don't we just move the discussion to Wikiquote talk:Copyrights and just leave a pointer to that page on VP? ~ UDScott 13:21, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
The topic began as a discussion of trimming for copyvio, but it became a means of working out a revised guidelines policy for the submission of quotes and the maintenance of pages. Copyvio, although the most important reason for trimming, is not the only one. If a pointer, however, is left on the page as has been suggested, then it shouldn't be a problem. Eventually, after the revised guidelines are all worked out, a page will need to be created for them. Calling it a Wikiquote:Copyright article would be rather too limiting a title. - InvisibleSun 19:34, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
How about Wikiquote:Content limitations? BD2412 T 02:16, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations on losing your credibility.[edit]

Some idiot named Ceri has just erased about three years' worth of collected quotes from users regarding the soccer announcer Ray Hudson. They were removed from Wikipedia and put into Wikiquote. They are now lost forever.

Idiots and self-sanctimonious navel-gazers without Actual Work In Their Offices need never have their door darkened by anyone looking for correct information again. —This unsigned comment is by 144.171.142.126 (talkcontribs) 19:46, 13 May 2009 (UTC).

Can you be more specific? What page are you talking about? Cirt (talk) 19:47, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I believe 144.171.142.126 means the "Ray Hudson" article, which was deleted because it did not cite any sources. It may be noted that the quotes are not "lost forever" if there are reliable sources somewhere from which they could be quoted. If not, we would lose our credibility by keeping things with no verifiable sources. ~ Ningauble 21:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Agree with Ningauble (talk · contributions). Cirt (talk) 21:56, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Interwiki links showing as red links[edit]

Why are interwiki links showing as redlinks at top of this page? -- Cirt (talk) 19:37, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I can't find anything a user did to cause this. Something in the software or the servers is busted. Possibly the developers are fooling around with the new system for a centralized interwiki database that has been discussed lately, treating Wikiquote, as they sometimes do, as if it were a sandbox. If it does't clear up soon I will investigate at Bugzilla. ~ Ningauble 19:54, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Okay, thank you very much for looking into it! ;) -- Cirt (talk) 19:55, 1 February 2012 (UTC)