Talk:Emperor Norton

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This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Emperor Norton page.


I've removed the massive set of proclamations that (talk · contributions) added a few months ago because Wikiquote is not a place for public domain documents. Wikisource is the correct place to put something like this. I'd also recommend citing a source for these proclamations, so their accuracy may be verified. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:44, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I've also removed the 1880 San Francisco Chronicle obituary for the same reason. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Would you two mind putting those in wikisource, then? Or I'll just put them back. 15:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Why don't you put them into Wikisource, if you're so anxious to have them? I don't like to add material to any MediaWiki project for which I don't have an explicit source or means to verify. Each project has its own rules about content and sourcing, and its own editors to police such matters. Whether or not this is ultimately added to Wikisource, I will remove it from here if re-added. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:36, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Sourcing information[edit]

I moved the two actual quotes from Norton into "Attributed" because neither provides a specific source that would allow readers to verify its accuracy. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


Published sources should be provided before moving these back into the article
  • I could argue all day about the significance of facing east in religious rituals, but a clean table is a clean table.

No primary source provided for "Frisco" proclamation[edit]

The text of this supposed proclamation is quoted in a multitude of secondary sources. The "source" provided here is just one more secondary source — in this case, a guidebook — in this long long list. But the author of the book does not provide an original source. Until this proclamation can be properly authenticated with a contemporaneous 19th-century source, I suggest that it be removed from this article. Johnlumea (talk) 03:48, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

I restored this with the citation of the relatively recent work containing the quote. I do not find it implausible, based on other anecdotes, but if you insist it should be disputed, a "Disputed" section could be created for it, with the modern source. Correct source citations which exist should generally not be removed without providing earlier ones. ~ Kalki·· 23:59, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
This is improper. Whether you personally "do not find it implausible, based on other anecdotes" to assert the anti-"Frisco" proclamation as an Emperor Norton quote is immaterial. The question is: Is the quote documented as being authored by Emperor Norton? Answer: It is not. A pop guidebook published 126 years after Emperor Norton's death, and which provides no original documentation for the quote, is not a "correct source citation." It is just one in the long list of latter-day assertions seeking to attach Emperor Norton to this text without providing any evidence that he wrote or said anything of the kind. There's a lot of talk right now about "fake news." Asserting Emperor Norton's authorship of a quote for which no contemporaneous documentation exists is fake history. Johnlumea (talk) 04:39, 11 March 2017 (UTC)