User talk:192.76.8.85

Template deletion

I have seen that you have been listing a lot of my templates for deletion recently, while some of these are current unnecessary and should be deleted. I am currently quite stressed by this and don't have enough time to answer all of these, so before deleting, could you just ask about it on my talk page first? Thanks. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 13:02, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

@Ilovemydoodle Over the last few weeks you have been a persistent cross wiki pest. You have repeatedly messaged and pestered users on all manner of WMF projects, asking them to come here to support your proposals. When users have disagreed with you you have resorted to cross-project harassment to try to get them to delete their comments or support your ideas, e.g. [1] [2].

As a very very long term IP editor with an interest in the technical aspects of various project I saw one of your messages on the English wikipedia, begging people to come here to "leave feedback" on your proposal for new user groups (which it turns out means "support"). I tried, in good faith, to point out several major flaws in your idea, including requesting dangerous, unnecessary and unrelated user rights, the fact that you didn't appear to understand what many of the user rights did, and the fact that this user group appeared to be completely redundant to another, already existing, user group. In response you repeatedly stonewalled me with ridiculous comments before shutting down the discussion only to start one which banned all criticism, which lead to me becoming increasingly frustrated and probably a bit uncivil, for which I apologise.

On the basis that you were attempting to become a template editor I decided to have a look at the templates you were creating and I was shocked by how bad they were, which lead me to nominate a few of them for deletion. My deletion rationales are based on the fact that these are universally crap templates. The "simple" templates are so simple they have no functionality and should never be used. The "warning" templates you have made are confusing, misrepresent policy and guidelines and instruct editors to make poor quality, pointless edits. The "anti-vandalism" templates you have made are appallingly bad ideas which only serve to feed the trolls and highlight poor behaviour. I think that the vast majority of people reading those nominations would agree with the substance of the nomination, or at least see that they are good faith attempts to delete problematic templates.

Despite your assertions my edits are not hounding. I am not nominating your templates for deletion to harass you, I am nominating them for deletion because they are rubbish and disruptive. W:WP:Hounding makes it clear that it is acceptable to use a list of an editor's contributions to clean up after them when they make a mess. As an editor who has repeatedly created terrible templates which seem to have been deleted on many projects it is completely acceptable for me to nominate the worst of them for deletion here.

I fully believe that my template deletion nominations are backed by policy and common sense and intend to continue nominating your poor quality templates for deletion. I don't see the point in running these nominations past you first since you apparently don't see the issue with any of the templates you have made and seem to think that "Keep for many reasons I don’t have time to get into right now." is a sensible rationale for keeping them.

Frankly I am amazed that you haven't been blocked, the Wikiquote admins must have the patience of saints. Your editing here is largely indistinguishable from trolling. You appear to be messing around and treating this project as your own personal mediawiki playground, and your constant pestering, stonewalling and harassment of anyone who disagrees with you is completely unacceptable behaviour. On any of the larger projects you would have been blocked months ago. 192.76.8.85 18:03, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Every “warning template” I have created has been copied from Wikipedia, if there are so bad, complain there. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 18:06, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

And I have already apologized for the cross-wiki pestering, see here. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 18:07, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Template:Formatting and Template:Welcome-Formatting aren't copied from another project, and they both instruct editors to waste their time making pointless cosmetic edits with no basis in the policy you link. 192.76.8.85 18:16, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

@Koavf: Thoughts? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 18:09, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

I have interacted with 192 on a sister project and that user has generally been very helpful and showed good judgement. I don't agree that your edits here constitute trolling or anything that is deliberately bringing down the project. I do agree that some of your edits are not always ideal, but even then, I don't think that there's an issue of basic competence that makes your edits a net negative. That said, I think your vandalism report only serves to escalate and create acrimony, so please try to de-escalate. Broadly, I think other users here really appreciate your enthusiasm and some of your work in spotting vandalism is undeniably helpful. Some of your proposals have also been off-base or half-baked, so you may want to pause on ambitious proposals and focus more on day-to-day work like adding quotations and photos, cleaning up poor entries, etc. to make it clear that you are here as an asset. (Which, again, I think you are, but some of your proposals and intitiatives end up taking up time and effort that end up going nowhere if the community isn't persuaded that they are good ideas.) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:38, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

My two cents: I agree with most of what 192 has written above. I do believe that you may have some good intentions, but the manner in which you have proceeded has been overwhelming and often confrontational as you try to get people to agree with you. I have mentioned to you numerous times that I do not understand many of the templates you have created and that I believe many are redundant with existing templates that have been in use for many years. I truly do not expect most of them to be used by anyone other than you. You don't seem inclined to explain yourself. The number of edits you are making make it nearly impossible to keep up with it all (my time has been limited lately) and I am certainly no technical expert (nor have I ever claimed to be one). I would recommend you pull back as Justin suggests and focus on smaller contributions that may, in the end, provide more benefit to the project. ~ UDScott (talk) 13:12, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Template:Vfd-template-new

A page that you have been involved in editing, Template:Vfd-template-new, has been listed for deletion. All contributions are appreciated, but it may not satisfy Wikiquote's criteria for inclusion, for the reasons given in the nomination for deletion (see also what Wikiquote is and is not). If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Template:Vfd-template-new. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Thank you. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 17:25, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Lack of Notability

Hi, these two page have lack of notability: https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Big_Mori https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Canis Changerinwiki (talk) 08:46, 29 July 2022 (UTC)