User talk:24.214.70.31

Shameful POV pushing/Censorship re: United States page; Shameful Deletion of Valid Chris Hedges quotations without any discussion

'On this WQ page: United_States HouseofChange has wildly deleted without discussion sourced, interesting quotations from this former Bureau chief for the New York Times: Chris Hedges, a man who is read regularly by millions of educated, high integrity people who would never describe his writings as "RAMBLINGS" or not notable. HouseofChange is apparently confused because Rev. Hedge's views don't agree with the narrative that is repeated thousands of times each day by CNN, MSNBC & President Biden's staff. HouseofChange is clearly Pushing his own POV, making a hell of a mess, while claiming to be fixing problems as if he were some sort of authority here. 05:32, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

• log:
• curprev 00:28, 28 April 2022‎ HouseOfChange talk contribs‎ 568,272 bytes −3,952‎ rmv two long rambles from MintPress News and shorten one more by the same author to a quotable quote undo
• curprev 00:25, 28 April 2022‎ HouseOfChange talk contribs‎ 572,224 bytes −1,106‎ not notable or quotable Undo revision 3099388 by 2001:8003:DDAA:5A00:543:6047:26B2:8FBB (talk) undo Tag: Undo

05:32, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

• BD2412 wrote to HouseofChange:

While there is indeed a lot of off-topic dross in Wikiquote, you are being quite agressive in removing quotes that could arguably be included somewhere. I would suggest that rather than merely deleting them, you should move them to the respective talk pages of the pages you are working on (unless they are clearly by speakers with no plausible claim to notability). Some of them, readers might decide to keep, perhaps trimmed to a degree. Some of them might fit well into other pages. BD2412 T 07:14, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, and ... HouseOfChange responded by implementing BD2412's suggestion, as you can easily see on talk pages such as Talk:Cowardice, Talk:Colonialism, Talk:Nuclear power, Talk:Mutual assured destruction, Talk:Big lie, Talk:War crimes, and Talk:Hysteria. Anyone who looks at United States will see that the H section still contains 2 quotes by Chris Hedges even after the diff you object to. HouseOfChange (talk) 07:08, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Note for Ferien

• Just, balanced, intelligent, mature admins WOULD ban madmen who are running wild destroying everything they don't like, who are blatantly disregarding the advice of project bureaucrats. Instead of banning hard workers, & ignoring/supporting trouble makers, just, mature, trustworthy admins with good judgement, would follow the rules and assume others have good intentions, and would NOT rush to silence & put negative labels on productive people. A confused beginner admin would hopefully have the sense to admit that he's lost, and seek the advice of other admins with more experience, who don't like to bite newcomers.

• For heaven's sake Ferien, look at the mess that wild bulldozer you're so supportive of has made. He claims to have worked on wikipedia, but there is no link on his page. He has deleted about 500x more work than he has created. He's a destroyer. Did you take a moment to verify his claim, or perhaps he's an old trusted high school friend and comrade of yours??? Do you think it is a good idea to let him run so wild, or do you find yourself under a dark spell, unable to control your actions? There's a lot of that going on these days for many reasons.

• It is very sad to think that you were probably very disappointed along with a few other here, to see the following page was not deleted as planned: H.R. 40 - Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act.
  Were you? Were you indeed sad that you failed to block the worker who posted the rebuttal to the extremely shameful suggestions to move to delete that page, the comments that apparently that apparently led to the page being removed from that ugly list?

• To accept passively an unjust system is to cooperate with that system; thereby the oppressed become as evil as the oppressor. Non-cooperation with evil is as much a moral obligation as is cooperation with good. The oppressed must never allow the conscience of the oppressor to slumber... every man... is his brother's keeper. To accept injustice or segregation passively is to say to the oppressor that his actions are morally right. It is a way of allowing his conscience to fall asleep. At this moment the oppressed fails to be his brother's keeper. So acquiescence-while often the easier way-is not the moral way. It is the way of the coward. MLK

• Ferien, You don't have to act like a spineless coward or little obedient brainless dog who only knows how to bark at people. That is your choice. We hope you have good intentions and that your bad behavior is only temporary, that you will grow up, and that you won't have to be fired. Good luck & may Those in the heavens help us all! 24.214.70.31 02:51, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Addendum for @Ferien CC: @BD2412 @UDScott @GreenMeansGo & anyone else interested in the facts

Just saw the following text from days ago on: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Village_pump#Quote_of_the_day:_Suggest_it_be_neutralized_or_temporarily_discontinued

• You wrote: Ottawahitech, why did you put now-blocked sockmaster in inverted commas? It's not an opinion, it's been confirmed. The user had made thousands of POV edits on many accounts that the community is now having to cleanup (Wikiquote:Administrators' noticeboard#Clean up on Aisle Five). Just because the checkuser data wasn't shown to the community - which it never would be by the way, even if we had checkusers of our own - doesn't mean the blocks were done without cooperation from the community or that they are entirely invalid. The Libraryclerk0191 was already blocked for a while before the investigation and using other accounts to evade blocks isn't acceptable, especially continnuing the behaviour that they were blocked for. --Ferien (talk) 17:58, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

• My reply to the above load of bull: The problem Ferien is that you appear to be intentionally side stepping the fact that all of the posts you're talking about (thousands) were ALL surely scrutinized by other well known & respected long term admins & bureaucrats here shortly after being posted and apparently approved long before you arrived at the party. If I had been breaking any of rules and as far as i knew i was not, a real admin who was actually following the rules his/herself would have assumed my good faith/intentions and would have advised me of that without biting me, or trying to hang me like you have. So here you are looking like a little green newby, apparently trying to boldly hang me over some stupid technicality perhaps to satisfy the whims of some friends who don't work here. Why are you doing that? What is motivating you? A masochistic love of power? Just stupidity? What? Please explain. In effect you have proclaimed that you and that loud red bulldozer driver "HouseofChange", are somehow qualified to over rule all the decisions made long ago made by other regular long term admins & bureaucrats who've been here forever. Look, I am not claiming that they found my posts delightful, but none of them complained, so it is only logical to believe that they found what was posted under my hand was found to be acceptable & tolerable. Still, "Ferien" you wrote "The user had made thousands of POV edits on many accounts that the community is now having to cleanup (Wikiquote:Administrators' noticeboard#Clean up on Aisle Five). Is Now Having to clean up? Have you seen the mess that boy friend of yours has made? Are you having difficulties with substance abuse or something? If so, you have my sincere sympathies and my encouragement to resign and go into rehab for your own good. Regardless of what you say, it clearly does not look very good for you Ferien, you've made a few bad turns. IT happens to us all at one time or another. You look like a dirty, power drunk, stupid young punk kid cop, who has arrested & booked someone for failing to come to a complete stop at as a stop sign - and you're acting like you're too stupid to see how stupid that looks. I hope there is a logical explanation, and that you have good intentions, but at this point it's hard for me to imagine. Maybe drug rehab is the answer for you and the HOC? Is that right? Please advise. Thank you & good luck. 24.214.70.31 05:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

PS. It would not be surprising if this text was to be destroyed before any of the intended recipients see it. Since i am blocked, limited to this page, if anyone out there feels up to it, it would sure be appreciated if you would forward copies to: @Ferien CC: @BD2412 @UDScott @GreenMeansGo & anyone else interested in the facts. Thanks & cheers to all who don't have the shame on their side! 24.214.70.31 05:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you are blaming me for all your problems honestly. The Libraryclerk0191 account was blocked for a year before I came along to extend it to indefinite as you were evading your block. Blocks like these apply to the person, not the account. Spreading your POV on thousands of articles over multiple accounts and continuing the same behaviour even after one of these accounts is blocked for it is unacceptable. As of my work here, it is mainly reverting vandalism and spam and I haven't started reverting any of your edits, so your accusation towards me of destroying everything is just untrue. --Ferien (talk) 15:16, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Your new posts at AN

Hi 24.214.70.31,

Thank you! for taking the time to post a very lengthy analysis on the WQ Administrator NoticeBoard. You obviously spent a lot of time composing this very lengthy text -- 4 different sections, I think(?).

If I may ask:

• why did you post this to AN instead of the Village Pump?
• Did you forget to sign your posts, or is there another reason you did not add a signature?

I will be following with interest to see if the discussion you are trying to start, actually produces constructive results. If you decide to answer here, please don't be pressed to do it right away. I would rather get a well formed thought than a speedy one. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 17:00, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

AN seemed good... am not very familiar with either. Thanks for your interest. It's very good for you to ask the questions you ask. You are an asset to this project. I Forgot to sign. Best wishes 24.214.70.31 17:02, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the straightforward SHORT reply. I noticed after posting here earlier that you actually did contribute to a Village Pump discussion at WQ:VP#Quote of the day: Suggest it be neutralized or temporarily discontinued. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 17:59, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi again, I see you have been blocked for 2 weeks by user: Ferien. Hopefully when the clock chimes two weeks you will not be blocked again without making any edits. What I am particularly concerned about is the potential deletion of your user-page and your user-talk-page. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 15:53, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Ottawahitech, I'm not planning to delete the user talk page and I'm not sure why anyone else would be planning to. Ferien (talk) 16:28, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

And both blocks were made after multiple edits, they weren't made all of a sudden because I felt mean or something. --Ferien (talk) 16:54, 4 May 2022 (UTC)