User talk:Mmoncur

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Welcome[edit]

Hi Mmoncur. Welcome to English Wikiquote.

Enjoy! ~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Sourcing quotes[edit]

I notice that you and another editor are having a conflict over the attribution to the following quote about Life:

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away.

Please note that Wikiquote collects quotes from people who have established notability, which is demonstrated by the fact that their quotes are already published in reliable sources, like books, newspapers, magazines, films, TV shows, commercially produced albums, and other materials that have editorial boards to research and confirm their information. Arguments like these are why it is essential that we find these sources and cite them in our articles.

In this case, I have found no definitive sources yet, but the only reliable ones I've found so far I have cited under the quote. Please do not change this sourcing without an explicit citation of equally or more reliable sources. (Most websites, including virtually all quote websites, do not qualify as reliable sources by the Wikimedia definition.) If you have any questions about this, feel free to post a note to me on my talk page. Thank you for your cooperation. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

RE: Sourcing Quotes[edit]

In reference to your comment on my talk page: I would not normally edit an attribution on Wikiquote without a proper source. In fact, I wouldn't normally edit Wikiquote at all because I consider it a conflict of interest; I run the web's oldest and most popular quotation site and would rather focus my energies there. As for the quote in question, it was attributed to "Laura Moncur" and I know that to be incorrect because Laura is my wife and she complained to me about the attribution. Due to running a popular quotation site we are often mistakenly cited as the authors of quotes. User DJFLAVIN has repeatedly attributed this quote to Laura Moncur and I felt I should correct this. Thanks for adding more detail about the (dubious) sources of this quote. Mmoncur (talk) 01:16, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, and for your effort to correct DJFLAVIN's misapprehension. I imagine it was caused by Googling the quote to find Quotation #38458 from Laura Moncur's Motivational Quotations as the most professionally presented citation with a name attached to it, and failing to notice that this was a collection of your wife's personal favorites, not an attempt to claim origin. Google Search is great, but folks tend to confuse popular with accurate, and read far more into the information they find than is meant by the publishers. My hasty research suggests that the quote predates all the sources I could easily find in Google Book Search, so I felt it necessary to cite what I had until another Wikiquotian could tackle this more thoroughly.
I've enjoyed reading quotes from The Quotations Page, and admire the work you and your wife have put into your immensely popular site. I always tell people that we can't consider such websites as reliable sources, given Wikimedia's needs and goals, but many (including yours) are nevertheless quite useful (and often more relevant for a surfer's inquiries, I must admit). I only wish we all had an easier job nailing down original sources. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:25, 24 January 2008 (UTC)