Talk:Yongzheng Emperor
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在逆贼等之意，徒谓本朝以满洲之君，入为中国之主，妄生此疆彼界之私，遂故为讪谤诋讥之说耳。不知本朝之为满洲，犹中国之有籍贯。大义觉迷录
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"在逆贼等之意，徒谓本朝以满洲之君，入为中国之主，妄生此疆彼界之私，遂故为讪谤诋讥之说耳。不知本朝之为满洲，犹中国之有籍贯。舜为东夷之人 ，文王为西夷 之人，曾何损于圣德乎？"
大义觉迷录
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The first quote 寧贈友邦,不與家奴 is a forgery and a lie. It is claimed by random internet trolls that Cixi said this after the Boxer Rebellion in 1901 to justify concessions to the foreigners, except that It was not even originally attributed to Cixi, Liang Qichao was the person who recorded the alleged quote, and he claimed that the Manchu Grand Secretary Gangyi was the one who said it during the Hundred Days Reform in 1898 to oppose new reforms by Kang Youwei and his people.
Manchus and Han: Ethnic Relations and Political Power in Late Qing and Early ... - Edward J. M. Rhoads - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=tgq1miGno-4C&pg=PA70
Gangyi encouraged the massacre and killing of foreigners (Japanese and westerners) so much that the foreigners put him on a death list of officials to be executed. In that light, the original quote attributed to him is likely also a forgery and was made up in Liang Qichao's imagination.
Visualising China, 1845-1965: Moving and Still images in Historical Narratives - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=iSEyAQAAQBAJ&pg=PA56&dq=gangyi+executed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=USfsUvKrBYOlsASCm4E4&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAQ
Elite Activism and Political Transformation in China: Zhejiang Province ... - Mary Backus Rankin - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=r9OZ5W4FMwUC&pg=PA195&dq=gangyi+executed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=USfsUvKrBYOlsASCm4E4&ved=0CE4Q6AEwBw
The Origins of the Boxer War: A Multinational Study - Lanxin Xiang - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=lAxresT12ogC&pg=PA231&dq=gangyi+boxer&hl=en&sa=X&ei=uCfsUqLICfLOsAT56YGwDg&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA
The Origins of the Boxer Uprising - Joseph Esherick - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=jVESdBSMasMC&pg=PA290&dq=gangyi+boxer&hl=en&sa=X&ei=uCfsUqLICfLOsAT56YGwDg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ
Some Did it for Civilisation, Some Did it for Their Country: A Revised View ... - Jane E. Elliott - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=15BxAAAAMAAJ&q=gangyi+boxer&dq=gangyi+boxer&hl=en&sa=X&ei=uCfsUqLICfLOsAT56YGwDg&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAw
Han-Mongol Encounters and Missionary Endeavors: A History of Scheut in Ordos ... - Patrick Taveirne - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=z2japTNPRNAC&pg=PA528&dq=gangyi+boxer&hl=en&sa=X&ei=uCfsUqLICfLOsAT56YGwDg&ved=0CDwQ6AEwBA
Modern Chinese Warfare, 1795-1989 - Bruce A. Elleman - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=j1aGAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA121&dq=gangyi+boxer&hl=en&sa=X&ei=uCfsUqLICfLOsAT56YGwDg&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBQ
second quote 保大清不保中華 is also a massive lie, because the Qing and Manchu identified the Qing as China (Zhongguo), and even created the Manchu term Dulimbai Gurun as a direct translation of Zhongguo, regarding the Qing and China as one and the same. The Qing was referred to as China in the Manchu language version of Treaty of Nerchinsk and Kyakhta.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140325...ng%20china.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20140325231543/https:/webspace.utexas.edu/hl4958/perspectives/Zhao - reinventing china.pdf
Third quote 朕以外國之君,主中國之事 allegedly by Yinzhen (Yongzheng Emperor) is fake, I can't find it any any Qing records but only on random internet forums. Name the text where that fake quote came from- I can name the exact text where I cite the following quote from Yongzheng:
Yongzheng even wrote 大义觉迷录 (dispelling rumors and setting the record straught) to argue against Han people who accused the Qing Emperors of being barbarian invaders who conquered China, and say that the Qing and Manchu are as much a part of China as the ancient sages Shun and King Wen, and that yi "barbarian", only referred to people's geographic origin, and not ethnicity, so therefore Manchus were not barbarian like Shun and King Wen even though they were called Yi, and that Manchu and Han are one family, and to promote Confucianism. In fact Yongzheng is regarded as one of the most assimilationist early Qing Emperors.
Yongzheng Emperor - Wikiquote http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Yongzheng_Emperor
在逆贼等之意，徒谓本朝以满洲之君入为中国之主，妄生此疆彼界之私，遂故为讪谤诋讥之说耳，不知本朝之为满 洲，犹中国之有籍贯，舜为东夷之人，文王为西夷之人，曾何损于圣德乎。
大义觉迷录
The seditious rebels claim that we are the rulers of Manchuria and only later penetrated central China to become its rulers. Their prejudices concerning the division of their and our country have caused many vitriolic falsehoods. What these rebels have not understood is the fact that Manchuria is for the Manchus the same as the birthplace is for the people of the central plain. Shun belonged to the Eastern Yi, and King Wen to the Western Yi. Does this fact diminish their virtues?
The Clash of Empires: the invention of China in modern world making - Lydia He. LIU, Lydia He Liu - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=LkTO2_-XDa8C&pg=PA85
The Clash of Empires: the invention of China in modern world making - Lydia He. LIU, Lydia He Liu - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=LkTO2_-XDa8C&pg=PA86
Saving the World: Chen Hongmou and Elite Consciousness in Eighteenth-Century ... - William T. Rowe - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=VRSXz25X5P8C&pg=PA294
https://books.google.com/books?id=1R...page&q&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=1RNX8IW2dTEC&pg=PA379
Strange Parallels: Volume 2, Mainland Mirrors: Europe, Japan, China, South ... - Victor Lieberman - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=x3zaRttYiekC&pg=PA594
Strange Parallels: Volume 2, Mainland Mirrors: Europe, Japan, China, South ... - Victor Lieberman - Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=_6YgAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA594
Fourth quote 朕乃夷狄之君,非中國之人 allegedly by Hongli (Qianlong Emperor) is also fake. It canot be found in any Qing text.
In this article Gang Zhao cites multiple Qing texts where Shunzhi, Kangxi, Yongzheng, and Qianlong all refer to the Qing as China 中國.
Fifth quote- Princess Der Ling was not even a Manchu- her father was a Han Chinese bannerman. She was not even a Princess, her father Yu Keng was simply an ambassador to France.
https://books.google.com/books?id=sN...page&q&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=sNPFc7kkjwAC&pg=PA6
https://books.google.com/books?id=y_...page&q&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=y_nBKizpn18C&pg=PA90
Provide the name of the original source texts the quotes came from.