Talk:Patriotism

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i thoght these quotes were about patriotism too many from that Goldman

agreed

--- It's not that there are too many quotes from Goldman, but not enough quotes overall...and why is she a

I detest her simply from reading the garbage accredited to her from this page. In the first line of her Wiki entry, she's noted as an anarchist. What a perfect source to have for no less than six quotes about patriotism. It's pretty easy to see that the submissions here are very much shaped by liberal (or rather anti-Bush) attitudes and ideas in OIF/OEF era. I got sick of reading, but tell me what the balance is between pro-patriotism quotes and those that are against. Sure seemed to come out on the anti side.

[edit] thats absolutely ridicolous

If she said things about patriotism, why in gods name would you take them out?

Go out and find more quotes by people SUPPORTING patriotism, dont take down quotes. That's dishonest.

Agreed, this isn't about expressing one view over another, or even balancing them, it's simply about cataloging notable quotes, in this case relevant to the topic of patriotism. Ttrygve 19:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] policy questions

What's the general wikiquotes policy on anonymous or difficult to attribute quotes? I'm specifically thinking of the bumper sticker slogan "Dissent is patriotic", and a quote misattributed to both Julius Caesar and Shakespeare (although both are false attributions, I still think the quote itself is worth including):

Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.

-- Ttrygve 19:20, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ordering and Quote by Schopenhauer

Hi, first I want to suggest to order the Quotes in Pro and Cons. I saw it in the german version of the text, and I think, it is a nice way to do it.

The other thing is, that there is a quote by Schopenhauer, which is the most intelligent thing i've ever read about this topic. Compared to this, every other quote (pros and cons) is deep shit. So maybe it would be a nice adding to the english page as well. I would translate it, but my english is not that good. Maybe someone have a look on it.

sincersly der Maxist