Talk:Patriotism

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i thoght these quotes were about patriotism too many from that Goldman


agreed

--- It's not that there are too many quotes from Goldman, but not enough quotes overall...and why is she a

I detest her simply from reading the garbage accredited to her from this page. In the first line of her Wiki entry, she's noted as an anarchist. What a perfect source to have for no less than six quotes about patriotism. It's pretty easy to see that the submissions here are very much shaped by liberal (or rather anti-Bush) attitudes and ideas in OIF/OEF era. I got sick of reading, but tell me what the balance is between pro-patriotism quotes and those that are against. Sure seemed to come out on the anti side.

thats absolutely ridicolous[edit]

If she said things about patriotism, why in gods name would you take them out?

Go out and find more quotes by people SUPPORTING patriotism, dont take down quotes. That's dishonest.

Agreed, this isn't about expressing one view over another, or even balancing them, it's simply about cataloging notable quotes, in this case relevant to the topic of patriotism. Ttrygve 19:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

policy questions[edit]

What's the general wikiquotes policy on anonymous or difficult to attribute quotes? I'm specifically thinking of the bumper sticker slogan "Dissent is patriotic", and a quote misattributed to both Julius Caesar and Shakespeare (although both are false attributions, I still think the quote itself is worth including):

Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.

-- Ttrygve 19:20, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Ordering and Quote by Schopenhauer[edit]

Hi, first I want to suggest to order the Quotes in Pro and Cons. I saw it in the german version of the text, and I think, it is a nice way to do it.

The other thing is, that there is a quote by Schopenhauer, which is the most intelligent thing i've ever read about this topic. Compared to this, every other quote (pros and cons) is deep shit. So maybe it would be a nice adding to the english page as well. I would translate it, but my english is not that good. Maybe someone have a look on it.

sincersly der Maxist

Unsourced[edit]

  • In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer, I beg to submit that it is the first.
  • When I am abroad, I always make it a rule never to criticize or attack the government of my own country. I make up for lost time when I come home.
  • Patriotism is easy to understand in America; it means looking out for yourself by looking out for your country.
  • Patriotism, to be truely American, begins with the human allegiance.
  • True patriotism hates injustice in its own land more than anywhere else.
  • He is a poor patriot whose patriotism does not enable him to understand how all men everywhere feel about their altars and their hearthstones, their flag and their fatherland.
  • People tend to salute anything unnaturally bright, at least until the shade from their hands reveals what it really is.
  • Thinking men and women the world over are beginning to realize that patriotism is too narrow and limited a conception to meet the necessities of our time.
  • The people are urged to be patriotic ... by sacrificing their own children. Patriotism requires allegience to the flag, which means obedience and readiness to kill father, mother, brother, sister.
  • I hate patriotism! It's a round world the last time I checked.
  • The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
  • These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.
  • I would sooner receive injustice in the Queen's courts than justice in a foreign court. I hold that man or woman to be a scoundrel who goes abroad to a foreign court to have the judgments of the Queen's courts overturned, the actions of her Government countermanded or the legislation of parliament struck down.
  • [The pamphlet] was very patriotic. That is, it talked about killing foreigners.
  • "True patriotism doesn't only consist in loving an ideal country, but — in loving, studying and working for the real elements of the country that are its land, community, people and all their wealth."
  • Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President or any other public official save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country.
  • Patriots always talk of dying for their country, and never of killing for their country.
  • Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.
  • To me, it seems a dreadful indignity to have a soul controlled by geography.
  • Patriotism, when it wants to make itself felt in the domain of learning, is a dirty fellow who should be thrown out of doors.
  • Men love their country, not because it is great, but because it is their own.
  • The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice — and always has been.
  • Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.
  • Gentlemen have talked a great deal of patriotism. A venerable word, when duly practised. But I am sorry to say that of late it has been so much hackneyed about that it is in danger of falling into disgrace. The very idea of true patriotism is lost, and the term has been prostituted to the very worst of purposes.
  • Sure I wave the American flag. Do you know a better flag to wave? Sure I love my country with all her faults. I'm not ashamed of that, never have been, never will be.
  • Patriotism is often an arbitrary veneration of real estate above principles.