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This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Patriotism page.

i thoght these quotes were about patriotism too many from that Goldman


--- It's not that there are too many quotes from Goldman, but not enough quotes overall...and why is she a

I detest her simply from reading the garbage accredited to her from this page. In the first line of her Wiki entry, she's noted as an anarchist. What a perfect source to have for no less than six quotes about patriotism. It's pretty easy to see that the submissions here are very much shaped by liberal (or rather anti-Bush) attitudes and ideas in OIF/OEF era. I got sick of reading, but tell me what the balance is between pro-patriotism quotes and those that are against. Sure seemed to come out on the anti side.

thats absolutely ridicolous[edit]

If she said things about patriotism, why in gods name would you take them out?

Go out and find more quotes by people SUPPORTING patriotism, dont take down quotes. That's dishonest.

Agreed, this isn't about expressing one view over another, or even balancing them, it's simply about cataloging notable quotes, in this case relevant to the topic of patriotism. Ttrygve 19:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

policy questions[edit]

What's the general wikiquotes policy on anonymous or difficult to attribute quotes? I'm specifically thinking of the bumper sticker slogan "Dissent is patriotic", and a quote misattributed to both Julius Caesar and Shakespeare (although both are false attributions, I still think the quote itself is worth including):

Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.

-- Ttrygve 19:20, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Ordering and Quote by Schopenhauer[edit]

Hi, first I want to suggest to order the Quotes in Pro and Cons. I saw it in the german version of the text, and I think, it is a nice way to do it.

The other thing is, that there is a quote by Schopenhauer, which is the most intelligent thing i've ever read about this topic. Compared to this, every other quote (pros and cons) is deep shit. So maybe it would be a nice adding to the english page as well. I would translate it, but my english is not that good. Maybe someone have a look on it.

sincersly der Maxist


  • Patriotism is easy to understand in America; it means looking out for yourself by looking out for your country.
  • Patriotism, to be truely American, begins with the human allegiance.
  • True patriotism hates injustice in its own land more than anywhere else.
  • He is a poor patriot whose patriotism does not enable him to understand how all men everywhere feel about their altars and their hearthstones, their flag and their fatherland.
  • People tend to salute anything unnaturally bright, at least until the shade from their hands reveals what it really is.
  • The people are urged to be patriotic ... by sacrificing their own children. Patriotism requires allegience to the flag, which means obedience and readiness to kill father, mother, brother, sister.
  • [The pamphlet] was very patriotic. That is, it talked about killing foreigners.
  • True patriotism doesn't only consist in loving an ideal country, but — in loving, studying and working for the real elements of the country that are its land, community, people and all their wealth.
  • Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President or any other public official save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country.
  • Sure I wave the American flag. Do you know a better flag to wave? Sure I love my country with all her faults. I'm not ashamed of that, never have been, never will be.