User talk:GreenMeansGo

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Scrub please

[1]. Drmies (talk) 16:39, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Sorry. I've been in and out. But it looks like someone else took care of it. GMG^talk 01:42, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/86.20.54.197

This user clearly is not here to build an encyclopedia. Cheers! Nadzik (talk) 14:09, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Y Done GMG^talk 13:37, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Recruitment for WMF study on patrollers

Hello GreenMeansGo,

The Wikimedia Foundation is currently conducting a study on how patrollers interact with IP address edits, and what kinds of IP information are most useful to patrollers. I noticed that you're active in anti-vandalism work on English Wikiquote, and would like to invite you to do an interview with us. It should take no longer than 30 minutes. If you're interested, please contact me via email, clo@wikimedia.org. Thank you for your time! CLo (WMF) (talk) 16:23, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Friendly letter recommodation

Hy thr i saw you reviewed my edit im nt angry i'd like to ask for some advice on wikiquote if you would please i wanna do it personal my number is [redacted] can you send me info on that number please Angie williamz (talk) 02:51, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Angie williamz: generally you shouldn't be posting phone numbers publically like that. I have hidden it in the history, and suggest emailing GreenMeansGo using the "Email this user" feature if you want to discuss something privately. --DannyS712 (talk) 03:21, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Ok thanks for the advice Angie williamz (talk) 03:24, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

• I reverted your edit because you changed the text of the tag line for the movie. Quotes are just that. We don't edit them or update them to make them more agreeable. GMG^talk 10:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Block?

I don't know what these two users are up to but it's nothing good. Please consider a block: Special:Contributions/14.139.153.162, Special:Contributions/Manasvip, Special:Contributions/Ashank07. Praxidicae (talk) 17:54, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

• Look like UDScott has already obliged us. GMG^talk 17:46, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

M.Zaid

Thanks - that was my inclination as well, but I had already speedy deleted it a couple of times and wanted at least someone neutral to look at it. Thanks for pulling the trigger. ~ UDScott (talk) 12:29, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm glad you agree. It at least made intuitive sense to me. If I made a mainspace page for GreenMeansGo including all my favorite quotes from Mick Jagger, it would kindof seem to make sense that "no quote" means no quotes specifically from the subject of the article. GMG^talk 12:34, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Swati Maliwal

Hello, I saw you deleted this page Swati Maliwal. I was looking for her quotes over the internet. This was my first page on Wikiquotes. I am supposed to make mistakes. But, at least you should've waited for a day. I didn't know how to move it to Draftspace or to userspace as we can do so on Wikipedia. Lightbluerain (talk) 12:54, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Hey @Lightbluerain:. It's perfectly fine to have works in progress, but new pages should include at least one quote. If you're having difficulty finding at least a single sourceable quote, then the subject may not be appropriate for a Wikiquote article. GMG^talk 15:49, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

She is a very notable personality in India. Check her Wikipedia Page. I just being new don't know what type of Quotes? What type of references, etc.? would go. That's why I was taking time. Should I make the page again now? Lightbluerain (talk) 18:19, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

@Lightbluerain: You're more than welcome to make a page. It's just a standard that has been adopted over time that we ought to be prepared with at least one sourced quote before we do so. GMG^talk 12:02, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. I'll take care from now on. Lightbluerain (talk) 19:32, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

@Lightbluerain: I'll be travelling internationally for the next little bit, but if I can ever be of any help at all feel free to stop by. I may not be prompt, but I'll be happy to help any way I can. GMG^talk 21:38, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Sure.Lightbluerain (talk) 18:31, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

YouTube

Hello, why can we not use YouTube links in sources? They give good source for statements, like the TEDx Talks and news reports. Also, is there any tool to add sources here as we have on Wikipedia? I can't find it; I doubt the source format I am currently using. Thanks in advance. Lightbluerain (talk) 18:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

• @Lightbluerain: We generally don't allow primary sources for quotes about living people, as it allows...a great deal of leeway for individual editors to selectively quote things that happen to fit their particular point of view, especially when these are taken out of context. Personally, on any topic, I tend to add quotes as they are quoted in secondary sources, like newspapers, books or magazines. It kindof takes you as an individual out of the equation. Somebody already quoted it exactly as you are quoting it. We're not (at least in my opinion) really supposed to be creating anything. We're just curating and organizing it.

As to the sourcing tool, no. We do not currently have that imported to this project. I normally open my sandbox on Wikipedia, use the tool, and then copy/paste the wikitext. I'm afraid that while I have the technical access to import this tool, I do not have the technical expertise. GMG^talk 02:37, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. Lightbluerain (talk) 12:31, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

A Swallow Is Back

Reviewing the newly archived application page, reading your thoughtful comment, a proverb his me: one swallow does not a summer make. Instead of lengthy requesting comment of mine, I'd have liked to cite it from Nicomachean Ethics. Thank you for reminding me on that line, however, it's my great regret I then forgot it completely :( Apparently I need more rehabilitation. --Aphaia (talk) 14:56, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

No worries. Try hard. Do well. That's all that is expected of any of us. GMG^talk 15:28, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

New user needs help

Hi I am new on Wikiquotes and I need help navigating through the platform. I need someone to teach me a few things. Do you think you can help? I am an experienced Wikipedia editor and I am confident i learn pretty fast.

P.S I am think of a online meeting on Zoom or Google meet. I just need to know the basics e.g notability. Prithee P (talk) 10:45, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

We actually have our own standard, which is WQ:QUOTABILITY, rather than notability. Of course, a highly notable person is more likely to be quotable (and it would require unusual circumstances for us to include quotes from someone not notable enough to merit a Wikipedia article). BD2412 T 19:22, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

An online meeting can be a good idea, last year we already did something like this on the Italian Wikiquote. --Spinoziano (talk) 06:22, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Could be a cool idea if there's enough interest. Maybe even a quarterly or monthly thing. GMG^talk 12:38, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I know that Superchilum and Camelia.boban wanted to do it in English too, and this year I am willing to appear too. If we repeat SheSaid next month, I hope it might be of interest to Prithee P too. --Spinoziano (talk) 14:33, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, we will repeat #SheSaid next month, so I'am available for a online meeting. Here is the webinar we did with WikiDonne (in English, & in Italian). --Camelia.boban (talk) 15:50, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you all for your responses. @Spinoziano:, I know about the #Shesaid project and I am interested. I can run one here in my country. We can recruit new editors to Wiki quotes especially people interested in bridging the gender gap. Template:Replyto I have sent you a message on IG. Hope that is fine? I will also send you an email. I will looking forward to the online meeting. Thank you. P.s Thank you for adding the video link. Prithee P (talk) 00:10, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi! Thank you for involving me :-) unfortunately in November I will go to an expedition to Antarctica until the end of February, so I will not be available. I can help with some stuff until my departure, but not so much since I have a lot of things to deal with :-) anyway, if you need anything, try to ask me and I'll do what I can. Bye! --Superchilum (talk) 06:33, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

covid vaccine / miscarriage

Hi GreenMeansGo

What is your opinion of this edit: https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Miscarriage&diff=3007642&oldid=2933410

Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:00, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

@Ottawahitech: It looks like a fairly poor quality source from a non notable writer, that takes a study saying "we find no adverse effects" and then figuring out how to do their own amateur math to reach the opposite conclusion of the study itself. Besides that, it's not particularly pithy or quotable. It's just a statistic, even if it wasn't an apparently badly calculated one. GMG^talk 13:44, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

COVID-19 vaccine

Hi GreenMeansGo

The article COVID-19 vaccine has gotten a few updates with souces I am not familiar with on October 8. Can you please check if the edits are legitimate? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 20:43, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

• Just looking it over, still looks like it could use quite a bit of cleanup. Still quotes that are really just bare statistics. Quotes to quite low quality sources. Vox Populi, which seems to just be a personal blog. Substack, which is pretty much just a blog also. Direct quotes from Twitter, some by apparently non-notable people, others that can't be described as a quote at all, like Jimmy Wales just sharing a link. Sputnik, which is really just a state propaganda outlet. Some over quoting, like paragraphs of quotes from Nature.

I haven't looked to sort of exactly who added what, but it's probably safe to say a fair bit of content has been added to prove a point, and not for being high quality quotations from notable people or works. GMG^talk 12:11, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Category Activist stubs question

Hi GreenMeansGo,

On 6 January 2019 you created a Category:Activists stubs which currently has only two pages in it, even though Category:Category:Activist stubs had been in existence for two years. Just wondering if this was an oversight or something deeper? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 13:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Probably just a typo on my part. GMG^talk 12:04, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

How we will see unregistered users

Hi!

You get this message because you are an admin on a Wikimedia wiki.

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Instead of the IP we will show a masked identity. You as an admin will still be able to access the IP. There will also be a new user right for those who need to see the full IPs of unregistered users to fight vandalism, harassment and spam without being admins. Patrollers will also see part of the IP even without this user right. We are also working on better tools to help.

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We have two suggested ways this identity could work. We would appreciate your feedback on which way you think would work best for you and your wiki, now and in the future. You can let us know on the talk page. You can write in your language. The suggestions were posted in October and we will decide after 17 January.

Thank you. /Johan (WMF)

18:14, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Game of Death/The Game of Death

GreenMeansGo and wikidata? You deleted the page but could you solve the problem? Thank you 185.167.52.108 12:05, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

• I don't understand what the problem is you're trying to solve. GMG^talk 14:09, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

  Hi GMG, on Wikidata Game of Death (1978) there is Wikipedia (Game of Death film 1978) and Dialogue but The Game of Death (1972) there aren't Dialogue on Wikidata The Game of Death (1972). Can you help me please? 15:47, 12 January 2022 (UTC) 185.167.52.108 15:47, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

  You can always create an article on Wikiquote for The Game of Death (1972). I'm afraid I don't read or speak Cantonese. So I'm not sure how much help I can be other than that. GMG^talk 16:27, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

  No Cantonese but on English. Ok I go The Game of Death (1972). Thank you very much! 185.167.52.108 16:39, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

  Dear GMG Can you help me? I would like to incorporate this page into this wikidata 185.167.52.108 09:35, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

  Incubator is kind of a testing ground or sandbox, and as far as I know, isn't supported by Wikidata. It's meant to be an internal project and not something for public consumption. GMG^talk 12:14, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

  Ok Thank you 185.167.52.108 18:33, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

  Hello GreenMeansGo, I'm sorry to bother you but I have a problem here with the User UDScott. I am very helpful but he is always full of doubts, could you help him? Please! 185.167.52.108 23:13, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

  Please! please! please! help me with the User UDScott here 185.167.52.108 17:18, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

• I'm not sure how much help I can be here in a detailed dispute. I don't speak the language. I don't know that we have anyone at all who is active on this project who does speak the language. GMG^talk 14:58, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

• The Game of Death is an incomplete Hong Kong martial arts film, filmed between August and October 1972, directed, written, produced by and starring Bruce Lee, in his final film project. Lee died during the making of the film. During filming, Lee received an offer to star in Enter the Dragon. Lee died of cerebral edema before the film's release. At the time of his death, he had made plans to resume the filming of The Game of Death. In 1973 some fragments were shown exclusively within the documentary Bruce Lee: the Mand and the Legend. After Lee's death, Enter the Dragon director Robert Clouse was enlisted to finish the film using two stand-ins; it was released in 1978 as Game of Death, five years after Lee's death, by Golden Harvest. The 1978 film's plot was altered to a revenge story. In 1978 the Golden Harvest has released Game of Death (and sequel Game of Death II in 1981). The 1978 version uses portions of the original footage married to an entirely new plot. The revised version of the film uses only 11 minutes and 7 seconds of the footage from the original The Game of Death. Several years later, Bruce Lee historian John Little released Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey, a documentary revealing the original footage and storyline of The Game of Death. The documentary also includes a fairly in-depth biography of Lee and leads into the filming of The Game of Death. Five years after Bruce Lee's death in 1973, Golden Harvest used about 11 minutes of Lee's uncompleted original footage intended by him to become the film "Game of Death", completing the rest of their 1978 film using Lee look-a-likes. Twenty-three more minutes of Lee's original footage were considered lost for 28 years, until they were discovered by Bey Logan in 1999. John Little assembled these parts according to Lee's script notes, reflecting more accurately Lee's intentions. In 2000 it was directed the short film The Story. The movie is the storyline (Plot)for The Game of Death and the missing part of Bruce Lee's The Game of Death, not played in 1972. (The Story is also a prequel and sequel of Game of Death Redux). Directed in South Korea by John Little, distributed as a special feature in DVD of the documentary Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey. In 2000, the Japanese film Bruce Lee in G.O.D 死亡的遊戯 was released on DVD. This film shows Lee's original vision of the film through the existing footage that was shot for the film before he died (= The Game of Death of Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey), interviews, and historical re-enactments of what went on behind the scenes. On 2019 producer Alan Canvan edited Game of Death Redux, edit only uses footage shot during the original production of The Game of Death. The film was released as a special feature in The Criterion Collection's Blu-ray box set of Bruce Lee films, on July 14, 2020. 185.167.52.108 23:58, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

  Inside the documentary Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey there is The Game of Death (1972 – original footage)
  Inside the documentary Bruce Lee in G.O.D: Shibōteki Yūgi there is The Game of Death (1972 – original footage)
  Inside Game of Death Redux there is only The Game of Death (1972 – original footage)
  Inside The Story there is only original script and the party not played in 1972
  1972 Original footage of Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey = 1972 Original footage of Bruce Lee in G.O.D: Shibōteki Yūgi = Game of Death Redux (only small differences)
  The Story (2000 film) + Game of Death Redux = The Game of Death (1972)
  Game of Death (1978 film) only 11 minutes and 7 seconds The Game of Death (1972) but plot and dialogue different 185.167.52.108

• Do you understand ? 185.167.52.108 08:57, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

RfA close

I have no objection to your closing the discussion, but I did have an eye on it to do so today. BD2412 T 06:58, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

• @BD2412: Sorry if I got in your way. I just know we've had quite a few in the past that have languished for a bit. Given the level of disruption around this one in particular, it seemed prudent to wrap things up. I didn't expect much objection given that only one regular user opposed. But if you think it will be wiser, please feel free to reclose as someone completely uninvolved.

Maybe it's not a bad idea to draw lots and assign one of us to sit out an RfA and be the designated closer. GMG^talk 11:45, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't think it's an issue, but I went ahead and reclosed just to avoid any question. Cheers! BD2412 T 20:16, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Template:Trusted List

The page was not a test page, can you please reinstate it? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 22:25, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

• @Ilovemydoodle: You are free to keep personal lists in your user space, as you have created already. However, these are not appropriate for public-facing name spaces like template space. GMG^talk 22:29, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

  Then, can you please give me the source of the deleted page? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 22:31, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

  It is the same as the list on your user page that you can access by clicking the hyperlink on your name. GMG^talk 22:33, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

  The list on my name used that template and no longer works now that that page was deleted. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 22:36, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

  @Koavf Could you give me the source of that page? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 02:06, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

  • UDScott
  • ShakespeareFan00
  • Ottawahitech
  • Antandrus
  • HouseOfChange
  • Koavf
  • Ferien
  • Kalki —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:10, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

    yes, interesting..

    The way the system here is designed is to have templates in the public part of the wiki, and btw, thanks GMG for clarifying that at WQ users can put their own private thoughts on userspace. It is a shame though that we cannot use template, category and what-have-you technology also into userspace Ottawahitech (talk) 12:16, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

    Well, you can use Templates in user space via transclusion. — Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 11:17, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

  It's generally just a commonly recognized divide across projects. It can be confusing for readers if we unexpectedly delve them into internal dialogue. GMG^talk 13:02, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Hey there!

Why did you delete my page, I created how the article says "what if 2020 was a person?" I added many details, but somehow, you deleted it for no reason. Thank you if you explain this. --204.129.232.191 18:17, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Hey anon. Wikiquote only hosts pages on subjects that are considered notable, usually meaning that they have been widely covered in published sources. Often a good measure of this is whether they have an article over on Wikipedia. It seems highly doubtful that the question of "what if 2020 was a person" has been the subject of significant published sources, and one-off references to YouTube videos don't really count toward that. GMG^talk 18:55, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Oh, the text isn't real, I added information that "what if 2020 was a person" I made the information by myself, and since there are no reliable sources, I used links and blog posts to support hose sources. Apologies, but my article I created was not meant to be taken seriously, it was made humorous and too entertaining . I inserted fun into those edits to entertain the readers and viewers. And I added trivia and different plots in order to use imagination. Thank you! 204.129.232.191 18:59, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

We also don't host original content purely for entertainment purposes. I'm afraid you will have to keep that to social media, blogs and the like. GMG^talk 19:03, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Can you explain why this wiki not host original content for entertainment purposes? 204.129.232.191 19:07, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

It's just isn't within the established scope of the project. We're intended to be a collection of educationally useful quotes on broadly important subjects. It's a bit like asking why Instagram isn't for sharing software and short stories. It just isn't. There are places beside Instagram which are for those other things. GMG^talk 19:13, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Also, why Wikiquotes aren't a crystal ball? What if 2020 came to your house? What would you do? 204.129.232.191 15:48, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

It did come to my house. GMG^talk 15:52, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Explain why it is not a crystal ball? 204.129.232.191 16:01, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Because you can't cite sources that don't yet exist. It's a reference to fortune telling. GMG^talk 19:31, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Admin accountability poll

Admin accountability poll is open, vote here. – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 10:05, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Block backlog

@GreenMeansGo: Could you please fix the backlog of block requests? – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 11:38, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

• ? GMG^talk 11:41, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

WQT

Could you please make WQT a namespace? – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 10:01, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

• Namespaces are part of the software. GMG^talk 11:46, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

  Could you ask on Phab? (I can't for complicated reasons). – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 11:47, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

  Why? Even if I did, it would probably be ignored because there doesn't seem to be any justification for the request. GMG^talk 11:51, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

  It’s very useful for shortcuts. – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 11:52, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

  That's not really a justification. The volunteers on Phab are not going to commit to creating an entirely new namespace so a few users on a small project can occasionally save a few keystrokes. GMG^talk 11:54, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

  Why can’t it be added just for Wikiquote? – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 11:55, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

  It doesn't really matter one way or the other. Making some redirects isn't a justification for creating an entirely new namespace. GMG^talk 12:01, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

  Well, WP exists on Wikipedia and WQ exists on Wikiquote. – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 12:04, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

  "WP" isn't a namespace. It's a namespace alias. The Wikiquote talk namespace exists. That's why you can access Wikiquote talk:Administrators' noticeboard. Talk spaces are automatically created for all namespaces other than...ummm...virtual spaces like Special. Aliases are just...kindof like project wide automatic redirects. But project talk space here is so exceedingly rarely used it would take decades to recoup the effort put into getting someone to make a project talk alias. GMG^talk 12:17, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

  I would like "WQT:" to be an alias for "Template:". - Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 12:23, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

• Honestly, I'm not really concerned about that either. There's something like 150 templates on the entire project. Feel free to go ask, but I don't think anyone on Phab is going to care. They're going to tell you the same thing I'm going to tell you: Even much larger projects like Wikipedia and Commons don't have a template space alias, and it's not worth implementing for the half dozen people here who might actually eventually use it. GMG^talk 12:32, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

  Only 150 Templates, really? – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 13:00, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

  Probably around about that which are regularly used. There's 170 in Category:Templates without documentation, but for some, it's anybody's guess what they're even supposed to do. If you don't count the 80 or so stub templates, probably half the existing templates could be deleted and nobody would even notice. GMG^talk 13:58, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

  Wait, according to the statistics page I have imported ~200 Templates from Wikipedia, does that mean I have created the majority of them? – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 21:28, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

  Well...I'm doing a bit of back-of-the-envelope guess-timation on just how many of these templates were made by someone once a decade ago and no one on the project even knows they exist. AKA not templates that would actually benefit from a namespace alias. I'm also discounting — as I indicated — about 80 stub templates, because I don't think anyone has those memorized, and they're probably doing like I do, and just going to the category to find the right one. GMG^talk 12:03, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

2a02:8084:9840:cd00:7cd9:59c8:b937:d156

2a02:8084:9840:cd00:7cd9:59c8:b937:d156 should be blocked, but three months seems excessive. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF) (talk / e-mail) 13:37, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

• Three days. GMG^talk 13:38, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

  Oh, sorry I misread it. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF) (talk / e-mail) 13:39, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

2a02:8084:9840:cd00:7cd9:59c8:b937:d156

Should you block ::/64? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF) (talk / e-mail) 13:47, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

• Are you referring to 2a02:c7d:ec4a:cd00:7147:9a9c:2586:54ca? God no, even if it was problematic. That's not a /64, it's a /16...so...like 5x10³⁰ IP addresses. GMG^talk 14:20, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

  ??? I’m not, I thought you were just meant to do ::/64 in general. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF) (talk / e-mail) 14:27, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

  Sigh. You don't need a range block unless someone is hopping IP addresses. So...Imagine someone is riding on a high speed train and every few minutes they jump cell phone towers and change IP address. So you put the addresses into a calculator to get the range, but it blocks everything between the addresses. So you have to be careful how big it is. There have been times in the past on other projects where someone accidentally blocked like an entire cell phone provider for an entire country because they weren't paying close attention. GMG^talk 14:32, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

  w:User:TonyBallioni/Just block the /64 – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF) (talk / e-mail) 14:37, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

  As it happens, Tony taught me quite a bit of what I know about range blocks. But no, I don't do range blocks as a matter of course, not even on Commons, and this is a much smaller project with much less traffic. GMG^talk 14:45, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Mario and Sonic Adventures 4: Leyend of the of the Abominable Snowman

Can I see the revision history of the page? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF) (talk / e-mail) 15:35, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

• No. It's just one of our old friends. Probably a bored child on summer vacation. GMG^talk 15:36, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

  Can you tell me who created the page? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF) (talk / e-mail) 15:37, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Stuartjack479

I think permanent block is too long, maybe three months? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 10:47, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

• It's a bot. GMG^talk 10:59, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

  Oh. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 11:26, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

  Yup. GMG^talk 11:37, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Uaeclt

Did you get pinged to that page? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 11:10, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

• No. And if you're getting at what I think you're getting at, I'm not entirely too keen on being pinged every time someone drops a deletion template. GMG^talk 11:11, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

  Not a deletion Template, just block request Template that should only be used if the user is being VERY diruptive. — Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 11:13, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

  We generally use things like categories for stuff like that. So someone can pop in, check a maintenance category, and clean it out of they have time. If I'm trying to resolve something at c:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard and I'm getting 15 pings from templates on Wikiquote, I'm not going to be a happy camper. GMG^talk 13:05, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism in a wiki

I have seen several cases of vandalism in this wiki, how can I report it?

Regards, Thanks.

Johnysnooww (talk) 16:05, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

• @Johnysnooww: You have only worked on a single page. The article has been nominated for deletion. At the conclusion of the discussion, an administrator will assess the community consensus.

Please do not remove the template for the discussion, as this notifies members of the community that the discussion is ongoing. GMG^talk 22:17, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Module:Unsubst

Hello,

Please could you undelete Module:Unsubst? It's used in all those clean-up templates that Ilovemydoodle has been copying from wikipedia, so it is now used in hundreds of pages [2], which it wasn't when it was nominated for deletion. The deletion has caused "no such module" LUA errors to appear all over over the site, e.g. in 2022 monkeypox outbreak. Thnaks, 192.76.8.85 16:43, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

• Don't pretend to know what all that means, but I'll take your word for it. GMG^talk 16:46, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

  Thank you, It's a rather clever module, it basically makes it impossible to substitute templates, if you substitute something which uses it it automatically unsubstitutes itself.

  could you also undelete Template:Category handler? It's also being used in the inline cleanup tags copied from wikipedia so is currently used in 166 pages [3]. Thanks, 192.76.8.85 16:52, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

  Y Done GMG^talk 16:54, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks, much appreciated. 192.76.8.85 16:58, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Category:Slurs

Hello GreenMeansGo, I'm currenly working my way through Special:WantedCategories, and I noticed that Category:Slurs was deleted by you with the rationale Mass deletion. I'm just going to go ahead and assume that we don't really need a bunch of redirects from racial slurs. I assume this was a mistake and that the category wasn't supposed to be deleted? It doesn't seem like it was a redirect. If the deletion was accidenteal please could you undelete the page, if the deletion was on purpose let me know and I'll depopulate it. 192.76.8.85 19:18, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure I can tell you exactly what was happening there. It looks like it was tied up in xwiki abuse. So I may have followed them here from a mess on another project. Feel free to recreate if you think it's helpful. GMG^talk 02:15, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Having looked at it a bit more closely I don't think this is worth recreating. All of the entries in there seem to be redirects, and to be honest most of them look rather inappropriate, e.g. Chink → Chinese people really doesn't seem like a useful or appropriate redirect, especially since the target doesn't have any content at all about the slur. Would the remaining contents of Category:Slurs be speedy deletable, or will I need to start a VFD? 192.76.8.85 12:46, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Done. I expect that if anyone were to seriously defend these redirects at VfD, we may have to have a discussion about their overall level of competence as a member of the community. GMG^talk 16:04, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Lack of Notability

Hi, these two page have lack of notability: https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Big_Mori https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Canis Changerinwiki (talk) 08:52, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

It looks like they're already nominated for deletion. GMG^talk 16:05, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Edit warring

Thank you for commenting on the admin noticeboard topic about me. I'm not sure what's his problem is, trying to stalk everything I edit then reverting for some loony reason than to upstage so many years of copyright cleanup. I guess its time for formal discussions on enacting the LOQ policy. Either way, that editor is so obsessively focused on my work. I will not flinch on whatever articles need copyright cleanup, and he's the problem, not me. Eaglestorm (talk) 12:21, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Well... Regardless of who's "right," I'll not say that you couldn't at least tone things down and help the discussion be more productive. w:WP:AVOIDYOU continues to be solid advice. GMG^talk 16:07, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Template:tl wasn't supposed to be deleted!

Hello, please can you undelete Template:Tl? Template:T is the recently created duplicate that was supposed to be deleted, the TL template is widley used and has been in use for ages. 192.76.8.85 17:20, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

The issue might be that Template:T was turned into a redirect in the middle of the discussion, so it redirected you to the other template when you opened it? 192.76.8.85 17:21, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

• You are correct. Fixed. GMG^talk 17:33, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks! While you're at it could you also delete Module:Dssplit, Module:Tssplit and Module:Qssplit which are parts of the {{ds}}, {{ts}} and {{qs}} templates you've just deleted?

  Module:Message box/m also had a {{db|Author request}} added to the top of it about a month ago, but since templates don't work in lua code it never made it into Category:Candidates for speedy deletion. 192.76.8.85 17:36, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

  Y Done GMG^talk 17:46, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

  @GreenMeansGo Hi again, please could you revert Joe Biden back to this [4] diff from early July, it appears that the Longquote ‎template you just deleted was added to one article. I tried to do it but was disallowed by an edit filter. Thanks, 192.76.8.85 20:28, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

  This is a god awful mess. Two score friggin VfDs because somebody wanted to experiment with templates and modules. GMG^talk 20:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

  Yes, it is a mess, and it's going to take a lot of work to clean up.

  I'll help with the clean-up as best I am able, removing deleted templates and tagging left over junk for speedy deletion (the category is getting a bit full btw), but removing 220 odd templates from an article when those templates should never have been added in the first place is too much to do manually, especially on an article that we really can't leave broken for days on end while people fix it, a rollback is the only real solution there. Luckily apart from the templates being added the only other edits were the addition of 1 quote and some vandalism that hadn't been reverted.

  I just figured out what that really weird long quote template was too and why it had such a weird setup [5]. After being told not to add Template:Blockquote to that article they created Template:Longquote as a secret version of the same thing that only displayed to them, that's why it had the really weird "need to modify your personal CSS files to get it to work" setup. It was done deliberately so other editors wouldn't notice them adding it to articles.

  My next project is going to be localising and rationalising the mess of imported cleanup templates, because a lot of them are just direct copy pastes from the English Wikipedia and don't really work or make sense here. I've started a discussion about {{cleanup}} at the village pump to try to get some direction on what would work best for this project. 192.76.8.85 20:54, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

  Hello again,

  Could you also speedy delete Template:Quadruple strikethrough/styles.css and Template:Triple strikethrough/styles.css as part of the strikethrough templates? As they are CSS pages I can't tag them for speedy deletion. Thanks, 192.76.8.85 18:11, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

  Y Done GMG^talk 18:59, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

A couple of modules that need speedy deleting

Hello once again,

I've come across a couple more lua modules that need deleting, but I can't tag them normally because they're not wikitext. Could you delete them please? The two pages are Module:Message box/m/configuration, which is a configuration page for a deleted module that's been tagged with {{db|Author request}}, and Module:Subst/sub, which is a sandbox of the deleted module Module:Subst. Thanks, 192.76.8.85 11:26, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Y Done GMG^talk 15:50, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Help

Do you think you could help with this? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 17:57, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

GRP

P.S. The "Catholic church guy" is GRP, he has been socking for over fifteen years and is banned by the Wikimedia Foundation. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 22:08, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

It's not a new or special thing. There are so many LTAs on WM projects that I stopped looking them up by name most of the time. That you seem so singularly focused on this one just makes me think that you haven't dealt with very many LTAs. There's a guy who's been socking for like eight years now who only focuses on the Cambodian New Year for whatever reason. This dude is just really obsessed with Catholicism and for some reason wrongly formatting images. The stuff that catches my attention nowadays is like... the guy we had to report to the police for trying to upload children's books normalizing child sexual abuse.

LTAs are just the cost of doing business. Don't focus on them and definitely don't make them into pseudo celebrities. They're just a nuisance. GMG^talk 02:40, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

I wasn't, I just saw your comment and was under the impression that you were uninformed on this particular issue. Also, I have seen many LTAs. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 20:46, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Monkeypox

As we seem to have a dearth of uninvolved admins, can you close Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/2022 monkeypox outbreak? It is long-lingering, but I have completely rewritten the page from the time that the discussion began, and recent participation in the discussion reflects that. BD2412 T 17:12, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

• Y Done GMG^talk 14:45, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Thanks. BD2412 T 17:42, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Category dilemma

Hi GreenMeansGo: What is your opinion of THIS EDIT? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 03:47, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Ottawahitech: Women singers is already contained within women musicians. So it's overcategorization. GMG^talk 00:29, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Deletion request for Dale Dauten

{{subst:VFDNote|Dale Dauten}} Markjoseph125 (talk) Markjoseph125 (talk) 19:14, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

• It's not really clear what you're asking here. GMG^talk 11:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

  It was the attempted substitution of the VFD notice, as you were involved in editing Dale Dauten before it was deleted. --Ferien (talk) 17:43, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Blocking of Om777om

Hi GreenMeansGo, May I ask you some questions about your 2019 blocking of Om777om? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 22:09, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Yes? But I'm not sure I remember all that many details about something that happened four years ago. GMG^talk 14:33, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Special:Diff/3264543

For what it's worth, this wasn't double bolding anything. It was making the text both bold and italic. It should have been reverted anyway so it doesn't really matter. --Ferien (talk) 17:40, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Creating categories on enwq

Hi GreenMeansGo,

I just saw your reply at the village pump and realized you have a talent to describe complex topics with a short, but very instructive content.

However, you said this:

• ...you really shouldn't create a new category unless you can link it up and out to others. So like..."Women from Arkansas" could link up to Category:People from Arkansas

which may sound like an invitation for newbies to create new categories. Do we really want to encourage this?

Just wondering... Ottawahitech (talk) 13:51, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

As long as they maintain a tree to top level terminal categories, then yeah. (Well...an upside-down tree.) I don't know that many readers use cats, but they're useful for automated tools. GMG^talk 13:55, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the speedy reply.

Do you believe that new cats should be created when there is only one item in the cat? Ottawahitech (talk) 14:21, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Do you believe that cats only use is for automated tools? So cats are of no use to mere reader? Ottawahitech (talk) 15:13, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

I mean, no...not really. I don't expect most readers look at them. Certainly most new editors don't seem to intuitively use them. I don't expect most readers are aware at all that there is something...anything...outside main space. I surely didn't for a good while.

Having said that, cats can be extremely useful for large scale analysis, especially xwiki and if they're connected cross-project on WD. You wanna know how many women from Algeria have an en.wiki article but not one here? We can do that. GMG^talk 17:20, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Recommendation of a gadget

Hello GreenMeansGo, you may want to have a try for Clean Delete Reasons, some of your deletion logs still contain spam links added by spammers, this gadget is quite convenient for clear them. -‎Lemonaka‎ 16:08, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

@Lemonaka: Just curious: why remove useful information from the deletion logs? Us, non-admin users, sometime have to rely on deletion logs to piece together why a certain page was deleted.

Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:37, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

• Hmm. I mean the logs aren't indexed in any way AFAIK. I guess it probably looks messier, but I normally don't hide a lot of stuff unless it's just grossly degrading or something like non-public information. GMG^talk 18:00, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Revdel

Hello, I don't think the usernames or revision contents of the reverts at Special:PageHistory/Christian Dior, Special:PageHistory/Brian Bates (psychologist), and Special:PageHistory/Bradley Burston required revdel. (Also just fyi, you don't need to do a null edit for a revdel unless you are hiding revision content, which is never necessary for the most recent revision if all you change is null.) ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 19:22, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

I was just trying to clean up as quickly as possible with the time I had. Stuff was plastered all over and was pretty egregious. I can go back through it if you like. GMG^talk 19:36, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the assistance. I would appreciate if you could unhide the parts I mentioned. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:44, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Y Done GMG^talk 20:51, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. By the way, you also might want to hide two revert summaries from my contributions. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:59, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Also Y Done GMG^talk 21:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Abortion and science coverage

I wanted to say thank you for your help with editing the page for Use of fetal tissue in vaccine development, I was wondering if you'd be interested in taking a look at some of the abortion pages, the main one has gone from being too long to being too short and you seem to be good at finding a balance when it comes to scientific subjects. There doesn't seem to be a lot of interest here in scientific subjects unless a poet or a politician talked about them. I've been getting some flak recently from UDScott for adding "too many quotes that are not memorable in any way, many are dry recitations from government reports or compilations of statistics". I have the feeling that neither Christianity and abortion or Roe v. Wade are going to be given the same condemnation and that this is a criticism specific to the pages that use science journals and government medical documents instead of church conferences and Supreme Court rulings. Ottawahitech doesn't seem to add any content from science journals, just news articles, and neither they nor UDScott added much to Roe v. Wade, so right now you're the only person I've encountered here after creating over a dozen of these pages whose been of much help. CensoredScribe (talk) 20:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

just saw my name has been mentioned above. I came here because I was watching recents. I'll have to remember to revisit, when I get a chance. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 14:11, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

User talk:Jayot11016

The talk page is being abused. Please remove talk page access. MathXplore (talk) 12:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Y Done GMG^talk 12:59, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Franb0ser, unblocking of.

Franb01sers brother got into his account,he has changed his password since, but could you pls unblock him. Franb01serisbackFREEDIDDY (talk) 10:56, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

This does not appear to be a registered account. GMG^talk 11:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

it is now innit Franb01serisbackFREEDIDDY (talk) 13:10, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

No? GMG^talk 13:21, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

not reely any more i signed in with email. Franb01serisbackFREEDIDDY (talk) 13:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Hes got a point... GreenMeansGYATT (talk) 13:32, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

You are so bad at pretending to be different people... GMG^talk 14:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

it got complicated okay, i needed 2 windows, me smal brane, just its for https://loraxian.fandom.com

okay. George Bush is calling. 86.8.22.4 18:13, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Cool. Hit us back up in a few years. GMG^talk 18:25, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikiquote:HeSaid

I was visiting the talkpage of shesaid and noticed that there's now a redlink there. I just wonder why you deleted it. I really want to understand nt trying to give you a hard time. cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:52, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Are you visiting the right page? Because Wikiquote talk:SheSaid appears to be just fine. GMG^talk 18:47, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, sorry I Was not clear.

Wikiquote:HeSaid was a redlink when Ottawahitech (talk) 15:58, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

The entirety of the content of that page is what's included in the deletion log. Of course anyone is free, and even encouraged to coordinate topical editing collaborations. But a page should probably represent a collaboration effort. This appears to simply be a young person who logged into WP/WQ for a few days and conducted a series of test edits. You are more than welcome to take on such a project if it's something you're interested in. GMG^talk 11:58, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Is wheel reverting really just as simple as three strikes in 24 hours and you're out?

I asked this question at the VP but thought I should ask you directly given I've appreciated having your help in the past.
How many times do you think an editor can revert someone before a block is justified? Is the answer different depending on what the page is and who the editors involved are? Is this something an administrator has ever been blocked for doing, if so, I would like to see some links. Does it matter how spaced out the reversions are? I've heard somewhere before that 3 revisions in 24 hours is too many, but what about just 1 revision every day, endlessly? I don't think endlessly undoing edits on your own is a particularly good use of anyone's time, because you could at least make it a team effort to try to demonstrate you are on the right side of the community's consensus, however I'd like to know what is allowed and what isn't and whether it's any more complicated than three strikes and you're out. If that's really how it works than all you would need to do to get another user blocked is wait for them to revert an edit, then, within 24 hours get them to revert you two more times, which seems counterproductive and like it incentivizes the behavior in question. CensoredScribe (talk) 15:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Is requesting arbitration from an administrator on a controversial article prone to reversions acceptable in your opinion?

I think Ficaia doesn't like quotes that aren't at least a hundred years old whereas most of the community will allow them. Either the admittedly boring science journals used by Wikipedia or the much more interesting entertainment articles not from Wikipedia included on the Abortion talk page should be mentioned. If I had to pick one I'd go with the entertainment, because this is the world's most well researched medical procedure and one of the safest, the technical descriptions tend to be similar to one another and the procedure they describe is fairly self-evident. What do you think? CensoredScribe (talk) 15:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

I've long been of the opinion that the metric we should prefer are quotes that have actually been quoted outside WQ. Somebody says or writes something original (effectively the primary source), and then someone else (not us) reviews the original and chooses the important bit to quote themselves (effectively the secondary source). It's a standard that is largely agnostic to the flavor of the content, and establishes quotability by definition. In my experience, content-agnostic editorial standards and processes are preferable in nearly all situations and across projects. I wish it was something we could really rally behind as a community. GMG^talk 12:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

While I would agree that this solidifies the quotability of a particular quote, I disagree that it should be the minimum standard for inclusion here. I would maintain that a rather large portion of what is on the site has never been quoted by another source - especially quotes from older sources (literary or otherwise), but I wouldn't want to remove most of them. For quotes from living people, I could see it a bit more, but for other types of quotes, I doubt we'd reach that standard for so many of what are surely noteworthy quotes. Just my two cents. ~ UDScott (talk) 01:21, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

I wasn't really thinking about it in terms of a universal minimum standard, but more as an avenue to settle disputes. There are a good deal of disputes that come down to essentially differing opinions. Opinions are just that, and "your opinion is wrong; my opinion is right" isn't very often an effective path toward resolution. I've never engaged in pop culture topics really at all, but we've probably all seen political or social topics where the sides come in with an inflexible view that X-thing is good/bad, and the editorial decision making is mostly based on whether content aligns with that position. GMG^talk 11:27, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

UDScott's suggestion for seeing more citations for quotes from living people sounds like a good idea, the internet and particularly social media, allows near instant publishing and global distribution so living people are going to have a disproportionate amount of writing, most of which has never seen any assistance from an editor.
I also personally prefer adding quotes that have actually been quoted somewhere, which is why I try to stick mainly to academic journals that list impact factor and scholarly non-fiction books that cite their references.
I don't want to argue whether non-fiction or fiction is inherently more quoted, but it seems proving quotability is much easier to prove for scholarly works of non-fiction, whereas fiction is considerably more popular because it's more emotionally accessible and less technical. Unlike most other collections of quotations, Wikiquote includes marginalized but increasingly popular mediums which are often looked down upon in academia. There are very few notable writings containing video game quotations compared to books or film, and unless there's an official dub, than anything from an anime is a questionable translation from Japanese. There are lots of valid questions and criticisms about the cultural value and psychological impact of video games and anime, but that doesn't change the fact that the majority of people nowadays are at least somewhat familiar with their existence so we should probably acknowledge them to some extent rather than pretend they don't exist and that no one else has ever heard of them. CensoredScribe (talk) 18:50, 29 November 2024 (UTC)