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Four new Wikiquotes were just created[edit]

Welcome our friends at bcl:, bn:, ig:, and tl: if you get the chance. These are the first new Wikiquotes since sah: back in June 2018 and that was the first one in five and a half years! —Justin (koavf)TCM 12:58, 10 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Koavf What would we do without you, our global ambassador? Nice to see that the wikimedia movement continues to produce new language editions of WQ, which I assume the above are. I am curious to find out where there is a list of all the WQs by language. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 14:17, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am but a humble servant, OHT. Thanks for your support. —Justin (koavf)TCM 14:18, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
...and I should add - one who keeps many editions of the Village pump alive across the wikiverse. Cheers Ottawahitech (talk) 14:22, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was just talking to someone who linked me to w:List of Wikipedias. Interesting that this is an article on enwp (not META), and that it in mainspace. I wonder why we don't have a List of Wikiquotes, mainspace or otherwise.
Anyone care to speculate? Ottawahitech (talk) 16:06, 26 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Probably because this project is much less active. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:10, 26 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes this project is less active, but does the wq-community like this status quo? Anyone? Ottawahitech (talk) 00:58, 27 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I just made my first ever "edit" at the Igbo WQ. But now I am worried.
I value my privacy and don't know if anyone has the authority to check my IP address. I contributed in good faith using google translate, but have no idea how these WQs are managed and if anyone looking at my edits has checkuser rights on the igWQ.
Anyone? Ottawahitech (talk) 21:14, 29 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There are no local CheckUsers at ig.wq. Of course, stewards or developers with access to the server logs can check, but that's always true. —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:10, 29 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Ottawahitech. As for Wikiqoutes in other languages, if you go to Main page and then look left down "In other languages", these are all WQ projects in different languages. There are quite a few languages. As for your privacy concerns, I would be far more concerned about my privacy when using Google Translate. Privacy concerns/protections are the same whatever WMF project you participate in. WMF does not create a profile on you to target you with advertising, and Google does. - Emilija Knezevic (talk) 22:26, 30 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Emilijaknezevic: Thanks for sending us over to the main page. I forget to check it on a regular basis, and it does have some good information and sections that some may not be aware of.
As far as your google comments, would you elaborate why you feel google cannot be trusted to shield the privacy of those who use it? Ottawahitech (talk) 16:58, 1 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


We do not need more volunteers at wikiquote[edit]

I don't think, so no, I think those of us who work on the smaller projects would like there to be more active or closer to comprehensive like Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikidata, and Commons are. —Justin (koavf)TCM 08:46, 27 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Are you sure? Then why are the two of us having a dialogue on the Village pump. Doesn't anyone else have an opinion? I know it was thanksgiving in the USA but this page still had 180 pairs of eyes on it the day before. Just curious. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 15:46, 28 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry for the ignorance, but an opinion about what? What is the discussion? Is it that you are looking for a list of other Wikiquote sites (besides en)? If that is it, then I can tell you that for me, I don't have time to think about other WQ sites - there's barely even enough hours to keep this one afloat (barely). I tend to focus my time here on other tasks than this (there are always plenty of open tasks here that are more critical, and such a list probably falls into the "nice to have" category). ~ UDScott (talk) 16:44, 28 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi @UDScott, and thank you for stepping in. BTW it is never ignorant IMIO to ask questions (even Dear Abby said so in 1970 in a Dear Abby column in The Milwaukee Sentinel: "There is no such thing as a stupid question if it's sincere. Better to ask and risk appearing stupid than to continue on your ignorant way and make a stupid mistake." -- didn't we both work on a dear abby article/quote-compendium a while ago? ).
Anyway, back to your question, the answer is yes, at least as far as I am concerned, I'll let Koavf talk for himself. The initial question I asked was if we had a list of Wikquotes by language, then we got caught up in some banter, and I was wondering why no one else was participating, and I understand from your post that you feel overwhelmed by the amount of work that is required of you, so don't have time to engage in niceties? Did I get this right? Ottawahitech (talk) 05:14, 29 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, at times I can feel overwhelmed, but I was not really complaining (although sometimes I do wish I could spend more time on content) - what I meant was that I just do not have time for many of these kinds of discussions nor do I have time to figure out where such a list might be found (or compiled if it does not exist). More power to you and others that wish to figure these things out, but I find that there is too much work in cleaning up and improving the site that precludes me from joining in at times. But don't let me or my lack of participation in discussions hold you back. Cheers! ~ UDScott (talk) 14:24, 29 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We absolutely do need more volunteers. Adding content is easy. Making sure it's good content is not. DragonflySixtyseven (talk) 15:38, 29 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@DragonflySixtyseven, so does this mean we are only interested in volunteers who can hit the ground running, or are we also willing to help train enthusiastic noobs? Ottawahitech (talk) 21:42, 30 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Inactive admins for vote of confidence review[edit]

Per Wikiquote:Village_pump_archive_25#Vote_for_confidence and relevant threads like Wikiquote:Village_pump_archive_54#Inactive_administrators and Wikiquote:Village_pump_archive_58#IMPORTANT:_Admin_activity_review, I would like to bring to attention the following admins who have not been active in awhile here at en.wq:

With the usual caveats of thank you for your service, you can ask to be an admin at any time that you have the availability, and they may see this thread and be reminded that they are interested in doing this work again, etc., do we think that these three should retain their permissions? Is it time to remove adminship from any of these three? —Justin (koavf)TCM 23:42, 15 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Keep for Jni for now, last admin action and edit in December 2021. Global inactivity policy says to remove adminship from those who haven't edited or made an admin action for 2 years, I don't think we have a local one, but it hasn't been a year yet.
  • Remove from Miszatomic. Last admin action and edit over 2 years ago. Thank you for your service.
  • Keep for Pmlineditor for now, last admin action in November 2021, not a year ago yet and per global inactivity policy above.
Perhaps we should work on a local inactivity policy if the community think one is appropriate? --Ferien (talk) 21:00, 16 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We should have one, yes. I think that two years inactive is a valid starting point, unless someone has a compelling reason to change it. —Justin (koavf)TCM 21:37, 16 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
On simplewiki, you have to make 100 edits/admin actions in a year Jan-Dec or your admin will be removed. I think that's quite an unusual example and I don't believe the community here would support it. 1 edit/admin action a year seems reasonable to me and 50 edits/admin actions over 5 years - I think enwiki have done something similar? - so people don't game the system and just make one minor edit or page deletion every year just before their admin would be removed. --Ferien (talk) 18:37, 17 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That seems reasonable to me: there should be some volume of contributions. —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Koavf: Thanks for posting. I just clicked on the first wiki-link in your message above and found out it is dated 2008. Has there really been no discussion of this topic since that time? Ottawahitech (talk) 13:05, 27 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My second link is from a decade later. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:18, 27 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • There is an actual Draft Policy that was discussed in 2015. Note that the sole author of that draft, thus far, is no longer active. I imagine one reason it was not discussed very much was because there had been, at the time, some disagreement about several votes to de-sysop individuals for inactivity in the absence of such a policy. ~ Ningauble (talk) 21:54, 29 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I believe I supported adoption of that proposal at the time, and would still. BD2412 T 07:56, 30 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Discussion at VIP (Vandelism In Progress): Adding anti-Semitic vandalism to the "Talmud" page[edit]

Please see see for the discussion Ottawahitech (talk) 17:49, 16 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2 IPs involved in this discussion, 2 admins are addressing the implications:

Should the Talmud page which was created on WQ in 2004 by User: Kalki be deleted or not? Ottawahitech (talk) 18:00, 16 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I would say not. There are doubtless difficulties, but the work is a key world text. It might be a good idea to quickly review the entries for obvious inaccuracies, the help of someone like en:WP User:Debresser if he is still around. The next difficulty might be deciding which actually meet WQ:FAME. As far as the English corpus is concerned text may have been translated in many different ways. Thirdly if too much material remains, perhaps the page should be split into the various divisions, with only the most famous quotes being kept on the main page. Good luck! Rich Farmbrough (talk)
I think I would also remove much of the commentary, and PoV words. This is not Wikipedia, nor yet Wikibooks. Rich Farmbrough (talk)
@User:Rich Farmbrough, Thanks for the thorough reply! I believe the Talmud page has survived, so far. What I do not understand is: Did Talmud survive on Wikiquote (WQ) because it is special in some way, or do all topics that have been established as notable on the English Wikipedia deserve a main-space page on WQ? Anyone? Ottawahitech (talk) 13:24, 4 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
While I can't answer for WQ history or procedures, I would say that any book where quote would be cited primarily to the book would be a candidate for a page. These would be primarily books with unknown (but also perhaps multiple (or both)) authors. For example the Poetic Edda could have a page, but the Prose Edda should be a section redirect to Snorri Sturluson#Prose Edda. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 20:06, 12 November 2022 (UTC).

Jr./Sr. names[edit]

Wikipedia has moved all names with "Jr." and "Sr." suffixes to titles with no comma before the "Jr." or "Sr.", in accordance with prevailing style guide practice; should we follow suit? BD2412 T 07:30, 17 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Weak oppose I am more familiar with and accustomed to ", Jr./Sr.", but that's just me. I'll defer to the community and I agree that consistency with Wikipedia is generally desirable. —Justin (koavf)TCM 08:25, 17 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment There is a script that can accomplish this, but it would have to be performed over a virtual platform because of inter-wiki variations in the relay analytics. Ronald Franklin McDonald (talk) 19:32, 19 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose - the comma is helpful in delimiting the name proper from the generational tag (which, after all, is a type of dismbiguator). Rich Farmbrough (talk)

UCoC EG Community review period closed[edit]

Dear Wikimedians,

Thank you for participating in the review of the Revised Enforcement Draft Guidelines for the Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC). The UCoC project team and the Revisions Committee appreciate you all taking the time to discuss the guidelines, suggest changes, and ask questions.

This community review period lasted from September 8 to October 8, 2022. Over the past four weeks, the UCoC project team has collected valuable community input from various channels, including three conversation hours sessions, where Wikimedians could get together to discuss the revised UCoC Enforcement Guidelines. The Revisions Committee will review community input when they reconvene in the second week of October 2022. The UCoC project team will support them in providing updates as they continue their work and will continue to inform the community about all important developments and milestones as the Committee prepares the final version of the UCoC Enforcement Guidelines that is currently scheduled for a community-wide vote in mid-January of 2023.

On behalf of the the UCoC project team,

Zuz (WMF) (talk) 11:42, 20 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pageviews question[edit]

Why does this page get less pageviews than Wikiquote:Community Portal? Just curious. Ottawahitech (talk) 16:43, 25 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Filter again[edit]

This really need attention, as innocuous edits by newbies or even vandalism reverts is tripping the filter.-TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 21:58, 26 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@TagaSanPedroAko: Thanks for posting. I am not familiar with filtering. Can You elaborate please. Ottawahitech (talk) 13:08, 27 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's with the abuse filter. -TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 13:23, 27 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry about that, TagaSanPedroAko. I've disabled the filter temporarily while I take a look at it. --Ferien (talk) 13:36, 27 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ferien,@TagaSanPedroAko, others:
I have been caught by this filter a few days ago when I used w:wp:hotcat to add a category w:wp:sort key. Since that time I have been pestered by a request to CAPTCHA every time I enter a new quote, and of course, every time I use hotcat to add a category sort key. It is a major annoyance for me (and possibly others?).
A kind WQer (@user:Lemonaka) has tried to help by posting this on my user talk page:

You are blocked the autopromotion of Ottawahitech for a period of 5 days by abuse filter...

Is there nothing that can be done about it Ottawahitech (talk) 15:47, 31 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Here's a dumb method, just leave here for about 5-10 days. The period will end, and you will get autoconfirmed. Lemonaka (talk) 16:20, 31 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ottawahitech, a bureaucrat may be able to give you confirmed. --Ferien (talk) 16:22, 31 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you. @User:BD2412, @User:GreenMeansGo,@User:UDScott Ottawahitech (talk) 16:32, 31 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Done. Not really sure if it will work, because I'm not qualified to comment on the filters themselves. GMGtalk 13:48, 1 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@GreenMeansGo @TagaSanPedroAko: should have posted earlier: I have been CAPTCHA-free for a couple weeks. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:57, 18 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A small idea[edit]

I have been observing this IP vandal for close to half a month and now I have a small idea about his vandalism. Since every time we reverted, he would clearly came back to the same place again and again with more IPs, why don't we roll back him just once, report it, then waiting for the sysop to protect the relevant page or block the relevant IP, and then roll back to the unvandalized version?

The previous steps are

  1. Vandalized
  2. We reverted
  3. Vandal reverted our version
  4. Harsh Edit warring with multiple IPs of this asshole
  5. Block & Protect with large amount of nonsense history

Now the steps could be

  1. This asshole vandalize
  2. We revert only once & report
  3. Vandal revert our version
  4. Waiting for sysop instead of having fun with him, vandal being blocked, page protected
  5. We revert back to unvandalized version

Is this a reasonable suggestion?

Courtesy to @User:Koavf Lemonaka (talk) 03:25, 5 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If you see edits consistent with this behavior, for sure report ASAP and do not ever feed the troll by responding to email, if you receive it. —Justin (koavf)TCM 11:34, 5 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes please follow the second set of steps. I'd also advise, if a sysop is around, for you to wait for a sysop to revert it, as sysops can use "botrollback" hiding both the change and rollback from recent changes and then can block the IP. --Ferien (talk) 15:44, 6 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm also going to try this approach. Might end up wasting less time too. Antandrus (talk) 22:37, 6 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The basic problem with GRP is his extreme persistence (he's been disrupting Wikimedia for nearly two decades now in this fashion). He often waits for protections to expire to restore his drivel (I've seen this happen a lot), and will link to revisions containing the nonsense elsewhere to bypass edit filters and the blacklisting of his websites. And the worst problem is the abusive nature of the links. I therefore recommend that any edit by GRP containing links (or an attempt at one, with obfucsation to evade the filters) should be revdelled to prevent this behaviour. JavaHurricane 03:42, 8 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was trying to collect and analyse his edit pattern. I have some knowledge of filters and blacklists, but it's a little hard. I'd better urge someone who please contact Wikimedia foundation or police because I have seen this person harassing us outside the project. Lemonaka (talk) 03:53, 8 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Invitation to attend “Ask Me Anything about Movement Charter” Sessions[edit]

Hello all,

During the 2022 Wikimedia Summit, the Movement Charter Drafting Committee (MCDC) presented the first outline of the Movement Charter, giving a glimpse on the direction of its future work, and the Charter itself. The MCDC then integrated the initial feedback collected during the Summit. Before proceeding with writing the Charter for the whole Movement, the MCDC wants to interact with community members and gather feedback on the drafts of the three sections: Preamble, Values & Principles, and Roles & Responsibilities (intentions statement). The Movement Charter drafts will be available on the Meta page here on November 14, 2022. Community wide consultation period on MC will take place from November 20 to December 18, 2022. Learn more about it here.

With the goal of ensuring that people are well informed to fully participate in the conversations and are empowered to contribute their perspective on the Movement Charter, three “Ask Me Anything about Movement Charter" sessions have been scheduled in different time zones. Everyone in the Wikimedia Movement is invited to attend these conversations. The aim is to learn about Movement Charter - its goal, purpose, why it matters, and how it impacts your community. MCDC members will attend these sessions to answer your questions and hear community feedback.

The “Ask Me Anything” sessions accommodate communities from different time zones. Only the presentation of the session is recorded and shared afterwards, no recording of conversations. Below is the list of planned events:

  • Asia/Pacific: November 4, 2022 at 09:00 UTC (your local time). Interpretation is available in Chinese and Japanese.
  • Europe/MENA/Sub Saharan Africa: November 12, 2022 at 15:00 UTC (your local time). Interpretation is available in Arabic, French and Russian.
  • North and South America/ Western Europe: November 12, 2022 at 15:00 UTC (your local time). Interpretation is available in Spanish and Portuguese.

On the Meta page you will find more details; Zoom links will be shared 48 hours ahead of the call.

Call for Movement Charter Ambassadors

Individuals or groups from all communities who wish to help include and start conversations in their communities on the Movement Charter are encouraged to become Movement Charter Ambassadors (MC Ambassadors). MC Ambassadors will carry out their own activities and get financial support for enabling conversations in their own languages. Regional facilitators from the Movement Strategy and Governance team are available to support applicants with MC Ambassadors grantmaking. If you are interested please sign up here. Should you have specific questions, please reach out to the MSG team via email: or on the MS forum.

We thank you for your time and participation.

On behalf of the Movement Charter Drafting Committee,

Zuz (WMF) (talk) 10:21, 7 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A query[edit]

I found an article that consists only of a single quote, "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy". Should this be redirected or merged? Not sure what is the right course of action currently. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 16:46, 7 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The quotation itself should appear on relevant pages (beer, Benjamin Franklin) and the page should be deleted, as we don't have entries for particular quotations themselves. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:49, 7 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Cheers Koavf. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 16:59, 7 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request for help of testing a new report tool[edit]

Hello everyone, according to sysop @Koavf:'s instruction, I have created a report tool, mainly just a variant from WD on meta.
To install this, you could insert


to your common.js and it will be loaded. This added a button Warn in P-change area and would enable us to send a warn or make a report just with one click.

If you encounter any bugs, please feel free to report them. Thanks a lot in advance. Lemonaka (talk) 08:52, 8 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Soliciting opinions for site notice[edit]

MediaWiki:Sitenotice was very stale, so I commented it out. Does anyone have a suggestion for a site notice that is meaningful and may encourage further edits and engagement? —Justin (koavf)TCM 08:59, 8 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Koavf: Maybe something related to WQ:Shesaid. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 09:00, 8 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, this is just what I'm going to suggest Lemonaka (talk) 09:01, 8 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What about include recent activity wiki loves women? Lemonaka (talk) 09:01, 8 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
RC and L, that is so obvious, holy crapgoodness gracious. —Justin (koavf)TCM 09:09, 8 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Koavf: You and I go back a couple of years, before I got involved in the English Wikiquote, we share quite few values and tendencies IMIO, so I know you will not be offended by what I say. IMIO admins on wmf-projects,which you are on enWQ, get some perks that come with the job, but are also held up as an example by others in the wmf-community. They are considered leaders whom others emulate. The downside for admins is that they cannot, or should not, act freely and normally and must always consider their audience. I don't know much about religion, but I know enough to know that using the word "holy" in conjunction with that other word, may be either offensive to some, or give the allure to the VP as a low class establishment. Am I making sense?
(I have been doing too much "talking" lately, I blame this on User:~Riley who greeted me at enWQ a long wiki-time ago and said: "If asking questions lead to improving content, then you're on the right track". Where is Riley anyway?) Ottawahitech (talk) 13:05, 19 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Why a holy is offensive? I don't quite get that. Lemonaka (talk) 13:15, 19 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OHT, thanks. I take your message in a spirit of good faith and constructive criticism. I think that what I wrote is probably only the mildest amount of offensive, but sure, someone could object to that language and I appreciate any feedback that someone gives me in good faith as an informal ambassador of the Wikimedia movement. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)TCM 13:34, 19 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nice idea for a brief time, but it is quite large (depending in window size) and very bright. Can you tone it down a bit? ~ Ningauble (talk) 00:42, 9 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I reduced the size by 10% and made the color a little less blinding. Happy to get any other suggestions. —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:10, 9 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Template:test2 seemed miss an icon compared to other templates in this series. Could anyone help to fix it? Thanks! Lemonaka (talk) 09:31, 8 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes check.svgY DoneJustin (koavf)TCM 09:52, 8 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wondering about stuff that is just blatantly wrong/I'm being a cry baby probs[edit]

If you go to add to an episode and encounter a lengthy addition to it that is blatantly wrong what is the thought process? I'm sure WikiQuote advocates accuracy so I was just wondering...This is my latest hobby as a cartoon lover and I apologize if this seems snarky... ToonFreak61 (talk) 13:19, 14 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If you see wrong content on Wikiquote, please do remove it. Also, note that we have guidelines on the length of quotations and there are relevant American laws about fair use, so we shouldn't host lengthy excerpts from media, but something that is actually quotable. —Justin (koavf)TCM 13:51, 14 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you Justin. ToonFreak61 (talk) 04:40, 2 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Join the Movement Charter Regional Conversation Hours[edit]

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Hi all,

As most of you are aware, the Movement Charter Drafting Committee (MCDC) is currently collecting community feedback about three draft sections of the Movement Charter: Preamble, Values & Principles, and Roles & Responsibilities (intentions statement).

How can you participate and share your feedback?

The MCDC is looking forward to receiving all types of feedback in different languages from the community members across the Movement and Affiliates. You can participate in the following ways:

  • Attend the community conversation hours with MCDC members. Details about the regional community conversation hours are published here
  • Fill out a survey (optional and anonymous)
  • Share your thoughts and feedback on the Meta talk page
  • Share your thoughts and feedback on the MS Forum:
  • Send an email to: movementcharterwikimediaorg if you have other feedback to the MCDC.

Community consultation hour for the Sub-Saharan Africa region will take place this Friday, November 25, on Zoom. It will be translated into French language. The conversations will not be recorded, except for the section where participants are invited to share what they discussed in the breakout rooms. We will take notes and produce a summary report afterwards.

If you want to learn more about the Movement Charter, its goals, why it matters and how it impacts your community, please watch the recording of the “Ask Me Anything about Movement Charter” sessions which took place earlier in November 2022.

Thank you for your participation.

On behalf of the Movement Charter Drafting Committee,

Zuz (WMF) (talk) 11:56, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Zuz (WMF) What is the Wikimedia movement? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 15:09, 24 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ottawahitech: m:Wikimedia movement. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:14, 24 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you, @Koavf

The Wikimedia movement is the totality of people, activities, and values

@Zuz (WMF): Does this definition include blocked users or not? Ottawahitech (talk) 17:48, 24 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi @Ottawahitech, Users can be blocked for various reasons and durations. So, I think this depends on the reason for which users were blocked and for how long. If a user is blocked indefinitely and for vandalism, I do not think they can contribute to the projects.Zuz (WMF) (talk) 11:46, 2 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Shesaid campaign is heating up[edit]

I am not sure how many content contributors of WQ actually visit this forum, but if there are any, I dare anyone to pick one of the red-list items from: Wikiquote:SheSaid/RedLists#Suggestions_for_Botswana and come up with a suitable enWQ new article that will not immediately be speeded, prodded, or even in the rare case vfded. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:01, 24 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Ottawahitech: The root caused of the problem may be that many on that list may be non-notable and without an English Wikipedia (enW) Article which is perhaps the suggested standard to meet. There may be less of a problem for people who would almost certainly meet (enW) notability requirements such as politicians and perhaps some sports biography. I even probably more than you do not want to see people wasting their time attempting to create on Wikipedia only to see ones contributions trashed from history. I'd also note that you are probably aware myself and UDScott are probably responsible for most of the Speed'ing, Prod'ing, VFD'ing and tagging for Copyvio and cleanup. I'm reasonably sure there is no intention to deliberately target Botswana/Africa related articles by anyone including myself but there has apparently been high number of articles created in this area with no associated enW article in the #SheSaid (as far as I can tell). The #SheSaid campaign has been under administrative workload, has had administration in general here on enWQ, and we'd like better mentoring. In fact the reason I came here is Bogolo Kenewendo's contributes appear to me to continue to have problems albeit showing massive improvements. However I'd like people to consider recent edit history on Bogolo Kenewendo end determine if mentorship is necessary. The other thread has shown the need for mentorship, Mothusi has shown ability to learn community norms but it likely doesn't help there's not a standard for notability here as far as I can tell. I apologise if I sometimes seem bullying rather than assertive but I've but a fairly intensive effort in support of the #SheSaid campaign. check my and by alt accounts (global) contributions particularly including Quarry and perhaps Wikidata where I've been trying to ensure an associated Wikidata item is linked back to the article here. If people are concerned there may be be bias or systemic bias on the enQ there the correct place is to raise the matter first or perhaps the WMF if you remain unsatisifed. The ArBCom candidates are currently on at W:Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2022/Candidates and there is surely rarely a better place to raise any concerns rather than whinging about it here. I'm going to ping a number of other people {who have been active/involved in this area to a bigger or lesser extent to try to get consensus of sorts or to get to get specific prescriptive proposals. @Anthere, Emilija Knezevic, Kolobetsoo, Saroj Uprety, Ferien, Rubbish computer: -- 14:21, 27 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi I didn't get a notification for this ping unfortunately. I think more oversight is needed for the campaign; I'd be willing to mentor if that helps. It's a shame that new users are coming to Wikiquote, actually creating content and that it is then all being deleted. I feel like it makes WMF projects seem completely inaccessible, when we could always do with more users. At the same time, I don't want to keep loads of articles that aren't notable. I think there has been a lack of communication between the people running the SheSaid campaign and the users of Wikiquote. Perhaps I could make a list of articles that need more established notability and work on having these kept, if it hasn't been done already? I'm totally ok with making lists of articles in userspace and working on them: see User:Rubbish computer/Wikiquote pages with no quotes. I'm busy moving currently but have some time to spare, and hopefully more time very soon once settled. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 19:21, 27 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Is there a list of every new SheSaid article anywhere also? Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 19:23, 27 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Pinging Djm-leighpark Ottawahitech Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 19:32, 27 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Rubbish computer: I've done a trio of Quarry queries which I think may help help identify notability problems at Wikiquote talk:SheSaid#Quarry Tools, and I think you might find the first and third of some use. There is a little bit of "art"/"training" to use those tools but broadly it relates to particularly identifying cases where there is no wikidata item linked to wikiquote and fixing the link to enW first if necessary, going to the wikidata item from the enW article and inserting any missing link to Wikiquote. The third query help identify new articles that may require a #sheSaid link, and I'm hoping an updated version of it may include a #SheSaid present column which would be even more useful. If you need more details that would be better asked in a new section. Thankyou. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 21:03, 27 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Pinging the people Djm-leighpark tried to ping above but failed, @Anthere, Emilijaknezevic, Kolobetsoo, Saroj Uprety, Rubbish computer: --Ferien (talk) 16:54, 28 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In general, the newly created articles that we can identify as such are listed here : As Djm also pointed to, his query can help identify those articles. I ran a training session again last Saturday and insisted again on notability issues as well as does and don’t. I want to also emphasize that I absolutely do not believe in any country targeting in bad faith by admins. The situation is created by a few brand new editors and this is independent from where they come from or from who they write about. What might add an additional strain is that there are rather few Wikipedia articles about Botswana women (to pick up that example, but this is true of many African countries) so it is harder to rely on creating entries about women already covered by Wikipedia. Anthere (talk) 19:31, 28 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I think there has been a lack of communication between the people running the SheSaid campaign and the users of Wikiquote.

If there is/was miscommunication between the people running the SheSaid campaign and the users of Wikiquote, it’s not for lack of trying by User:Anthere and other shesaid organizers. Postings about this campaign have been appearing in the Village pump on a regular basis since I first joined here in 2020: Here are links to some such postings: 20:19, 28 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: mentioning the word "bias"
I want to clarify that when I mentioned an existence of a "bias" I did not mean by any particular person or any particular WMF project. What I meant is that certain groups of people are under-represented, on all projects, in general. One of those groups is women of colour. So, when somebody wants to create an article about a person who does not have an article on any WP project yet, the notability has to be proven, that is needed for sure. The article creator has to provide references to prove notability, and ... this is the way how it is on any project. If the fist article happens to be on enWQ, maybe just do not discard the attempt altogether if there is no related article on any WP or Wikidata yet. This is all what I am trying to say. I am sorry if my words in another post came across differently. Thank you all for participating in this conversation. - Emilija Knezevic (talk) 01:42, 29 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Criticism of Wikipedia[edit]

What does the community think of Criticism of Wikipedia? While this is certainly a valid topic for quotes, it's been used to pursue a very specific political agenda. I think it would benefit from a wider variety of quotations, or just merging into Wikipedia. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 17:32, 28 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

SheSaid Idea[edit]

How about for the rest of the SheSaid event, the admins could make the featured quote a women's for the meanwhile. - Some Wandom Noob (talk) 19:48, 30 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Great idea. I suggested something similar for the first campaign, but there was a tepid response. :/ —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:20, 30 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Matters arising from a trawl through new articles since 1 October 2022[edit]

Background: I've been trawling through articles created since 1 October 2022 (current having reached 8/9 November 2022 - and may continue or give up depending on RL etc etc). In general I've been adding a (dummy) #SheSaid comment where useful and linking to Wikiquote from Wikidata when needed so Wikiquote is aware of the Wikidata item. But I've also actioned with some Prod & VfD's on the way where something has caught my eye in passing. Outcome: As a result of this crawl I've got a number of different comments/questions/suggestions: -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 09:00, 2 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Adding missing SheSaid comments[edit]

I have compiled a list of articles created in October that could be marked with a SheSaid comment at User:Djm-leighpark/XX. I think I have taken reasonable care not to suggest any inappropriate gender re-assignments. These could possibly be done efficiently with AWW. @Rubbish computer I note you are a certified AWB jockey and wonder if you would be prepared to take on this mission - I'll be upfront :I can't give you no help and I won't clear up the mess if it goes wrong, that would be up to you. If you decide to pick up the baton please note you are doing so here and then also say if you've given up. If anyone else wishes to steal the AWB mount please say so here; if I decide to pull the baton back to process the list manually myself I'll also leave a note here. Thankyou. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 09:00, 2 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Djm-leighpark, I will do so, just need to update my AWB first as haven't used it in a long time. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 10:31, 2 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles losing their English Wikipedia article[edit]

Is there a need here for a bot to monitor for article that have lost their associated English Wikipedia item. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 09:00, 2 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A Bot to link wikidata item to their associated Wikiquote article[edit]

I'm not sure oit is possible to create/operate a Bot to link a wikidata item to their associated Wikiquote article, or whether that count/would create problems. There may already be one out there, I think I've I've noticed a bot doing it on :d for :igWQ. Manually if there a good enWQ to enWP link and the enWP articles been curated or done by an autoconfirmed its a simple matter of putting the Wikiquote title in the paste buffer, clicking to the enWP article then clicking the Wikdata item link. At the Wikidata item locate the Wikiquote box, add a line for "en" and paste in the enWQ title from the paste buffer, publish it, and click back to the Wikiquote item as a confirmation. Only a sloppy half-asleep idiot could somehow get that wrong! Mote seriously the automated updates of Wikidata enWP (or even enWQ->enWP->Wikidata) [[:d:Talk:Q1149711|can get this stuff wrong with fake results]. But the question is should a bot be used for this and if so who it going to request it? -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 09:00, 2 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles on subpages[edit]

In general whats the policy with subpage articles in mainspace on enWQ, thoguhts on associated Wikidata items. I'd note the creation of a subpage at Melanie Kaye/Kantrowitz was probably unintentional and a different use-case. (Sorry me looking this up for myself at this moment would be a distraction). And are some of these abusing "fair-use"? Thankyou -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 09:00, 2 December 2022 (UTC) User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 09:00, 2 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Melanie Kaye/Kantrowitz is not a subpage. It is a person's name. Saroj Uprety (talk) 12:29, 2 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]