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Possible sock puppetry[edit]

I just want to bring to your notice that the users Nwalker3, Adekirim, Visite fortuitement prolongée, 182.182.18.114, Calypsomusic and Reps all seem to be sock puppets of Jedi3, they had the same editing patron centred around Islam, India and Indian religions related articles, they can be seen editing the same pages here:

Probably there are more accounts around. Rupert loup (talk) 03:56, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

@BD2412: The accounts are stale, I made some clean-up in some recent quotes, a lot are truncated and misrepresented like this example. In my opinion the articles where massive edits were made by this accounts need a clean-up and be checked that the quotes into are fairly presented according with WQ:NPOV. Rupert loup (talk) 02:22, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
NPOV is probably the wrong policy to invoke here. The policy says: "Quotations included in Wikiquote do not need to conform to NPOV, as they are reflections of the point-of-view of the quoted individual". BD2412 T 13:48, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
The same policy states, "Wikiquote has a strict neutral point of view (NPOV) policy, which basically states that its mission is best served not by advancing or detracting particular points of view on any given subject, but by trying to present a fair, neutral description of the facts, among which are the facts that various interpretations and points of view exist." While one may add contrary views, all views need to be represented as well by an editor. Also quotes need to be notable per many policies. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 05:02, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Thomas & Friends disruptive IPs[edit]

Multiple IPs continue to make edits by adding non-existent quotes (like this edit, for instance) and unneeded narrator quotes that are far from relevant. I request that all Thomas & Friends articles be protected for a long period of time, because anything less than half a year will not stop them. I send these users warnings, but they act as if nothing had happened and continue their vandalism. WikiLubber (talk) 18:05, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

IP vandal 75.187.99.153[edit]

Constantly adds notability-lacking single quotes (most of which were incomplete, particularly when it comes to character subsections) and writes quotes based solely on how they are written in DVD/Blu-ray subtitles (which are far from trustworthy and are never without error). I request that this IP be blocked for a long period of time and that all articles it vandalized be protected indefinitely. I send this user warnings, but it acts as if nothing had happened and continues its vandalism. WikiLubber (talk) 18:05, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

117.13.156.32 and character pages[edit]

This IP has recently started creating pages for fictional characters from the video game 007: Blood Stone and Fate of the Furious. Although wikiquote does allow pages for fictional characters outside of the works they appear in, most of them also have discussions going on regarding whether they should be merged with the series casting doubt on whether this helps this project in any way. I personally only find this helpful for superheroes who have dozens of different publications over the decades, even dividing the eras of Doctor Who by which Doctor it is, is a bit excessive in my opinion. I figured someone with actual authority on Wikiquote like an admin should explain to this editor why this is a bad idea rather than me, given they can probably go into much greater detail explaining the problems with this for Wikiquote than I can. CensoredScribe (talk) 23:23, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

It may be better if you shortened the title. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 22:40, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Good point, so what do you think about the character pages? CensoredScribe (talk) 23:23, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
I've changed these pages back to redirects and commented to this user regarding their inappropriateness. ~ UDScott (talk) 11:49, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
The current title is fine, but your situation is already resolved. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 13:39, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

MonsterHunter32[edit]

MonsterHunter32 has been indeffed on English Wikipedia as a sock of DinoBambinoNFS. Read this link for more details. I am not sure what action can be taken here but I just thought about alerting the community here. Capitals00 (talk) 17:37, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Ah come on. Yes I only created another account because my previous one was blocked. You're being vindictive and beating around an issue not related to here. But none of my accounts have been here and my edits are in good-faith despite people like you. I've tried to honestly talk with you and cooperated even after being outnumbered.

I don't regret it as many users have agenda because of which they try to get others blocked over any issue they can. I like to edit, that's why I can't take being blocked. The admins too there are egotistical and uncaring.

Nonetheless it wasn't your shoddy claims that got me blocked but technical data. I've been given the six-month offer, so I'll wait till then and might keep confronting disruptive editors, though I've already stopped wasting time editing here or there. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 13:50, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

For the record, MonsterHunter32 tried to remove this section about him from this page, even though it is clearly a relevant and useful heads-up to admins here. In any case, if MonsterHunter32 wants this section about him removed he should ask an admin to do it, and not remove it himself given the obvious conflict of interest. ~ DanielTom (talk) 15:04, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

I have restored this section, it is being unilaterally removed by MonsterHunter32. The claims made by MonsterHunter32 in this diff that he has accepted 6 months break is also false because only a few hours ago he attempted to evade his block with this account on English Wikipedia.

MonsterHunter32's claims that this issue has to do nothing with Wikiquote.[37] I find it incorrect because Wikiquote has no special sock puppet investigation, and it relies on the SPIs of English Wikipedia. Capitals00 (talk) 18:10, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

I have restored this section after removing it three times as I found it bringing issues of other Wikis here. I have restored it and comments of me and DanielTom as I didn't find it worth arguing and starting an edit-war over again, nor I have any wish to do so as I have decided to permanently quit. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 15:56, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

I find no instance of any of the socks identified on Wikipedia being used here. That said, an identified sockpuppeteer is a highly suspicious proposition to have on this project. BD2412 T 03:55, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Sock puppeteers are suspicious propositions how exactly? I'm not familiar with a psychological profile akin to the dark triad for predicting future behavior of sock puppeteers the way cyber bullying is often considered a precursor to worse things to come. Workplace bullying is in the news right now because of the Me Too movement; identity fraud, the closest real world equivalent to sock puppeting, is not; no one returns to work under a different name after being fired to continue working for free the way Wikipedia editors do, and a news outlet would be far more interested in our bullying problem than our sock puppet problem, particularly how it may relate to the the large gender gap in editors and allowing a hostile environment for women by allowing bullying to go unpunished so long as the harassers produce a certain number of good edits, much like a company protecting a valued employee who is worth more to them than the feelings of their accusers. I don't see much of a difference between Daniel Tom saying I have the reading comprehension of a five year old and referring to another editor as boy or girl, which has sexist and racist connotations to it and would not be allowed at work, I was tempted to hit on Daniel Tom after insulting me to see if words of love were more taboo than those of hate here, however I had a feeling that unlike the insult, that would result in disciplinary action, where as all three statements would normally get you fired. I'm a sock puppeteer on Wikipedia though few of my edits using those accounts were removed, and so is Kalki technically on Wikiquote, if I'm not mistaken; I forget the justifications that were given for Kalki having multiple accounts. Wikipedia behavior was excluded from conversation on Rationalwiki as not pertaining to the operation of the wiki and effectively being an ad hominem attack, logic which applies as much there as it does here, although offsite harassment via Encyclopedia Dramatica was considered instead, which sort of contradicts the stance on Wikipedia behavior not being worth mentioning. MonsterHunter32 has volunteered to leave anyways, however I see a similar problem occurring with other editors in the future, just as I predict more bullying will go unpunished unless blatantly sexual in nature, though I have doubts even sexual harassment would be punished; I'm not sure what Wikiquote's actual priorities are, but they don't seem to reflect present societal concerns for bullying as identity fraud seems to be the issue taken most seriously here. CensoredScribe (talk) 15:01, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Your reading comprehension was an issue because you were adding completely irrelevant, off-topic quotes to hundreds of theme pages in a disruptive fashion despite numerous warnings. That could be attributed to malice (vandalism) or very poor reading comprehension (incompetence). Take your pick. ~ DanielTom (talk) 15:32, 12 May 2018 (UTC) last edit: 16:15, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
I'm not disagreeing that you were 95-100% correct in removing those fictional quotes from theme pages, seemingly only the quotes from South Park remain, if there is a magic number of bad edits you are allowed to make before being banned, I would have most likely passed that number within my first year of editing here, however you could have expressed why the quotes were irrelevant instead of monosyllabically barking labels and elaborated, I would have said not to add quotes from television episodes lacking a Wikipedia page, or movies with less than a 90% on rotten tomatoes, but instead you chose not to try and define what was wrong with my additions outside of noting they lacked google hits, (which suggests google is the ultimate arbitrator of notability and that there is no other metric), so that I could continue to make mistakes and you could continue to revert them rather than prevent them. Did you honestly think anyone would believe you have medical credentials in diagnosing me as having the reading comprehension of a five year old specifically, or do you admit you were exaggerating and unqualified to be diagnosing people's reading comprehension without the use of a standardized assessment the way it is traditionally done by professional school psychologists? Again, which of my quotes about rape, war or nuclear power is meant specifically for five year olds to be reading, you seem to have some bizarre views of what is appropriate for young children. Your diagnosis sounds awfully specific, and incredibly unlikely given people with that level of reading comprehension are typically held back from passing kindergarten. Besides, what if I am five, isn't that ageism? Kalki banned me when I suggested you had eye problems, you suggested I had mental problems but got off scott free to continue being a cyberbully in your abusive edit comments that teach new editors to abuse edit summaries as a soap box. Block Daniel Tom for incivility, soap boxing and giving medical advice by playing psychologist, for an amount equal to the block I received for diagnosing his eyes. Your communication or lack there of, reminds me of an unsourced quote about editors, "An editor is a person who knows precisely what he wants, but isn't quite sure." Using my criteria of a 90% on rotten tomatoes, which film quotes on wikiquote's theme pages don't meet that criteria? Do you have a better one for determining notability of fiction? Can you name a single example of an acceptable quote on a theme page taken from a television episode lacking a wikipedia page for that specific episode? I don't think you can, nor do I expect you to try as TV isn't something you have added quotes from, correct me if I'm wrong the only TV show you seem to have edited the page for, is the page for Death Note, and I don't think you've added TV quotes to any theme pages at all, suggesting a bias towards the mediums inclusion on theme pages. CensoredScribe (talk) 16:12, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
CensoredScribe has decided to post the following warning on a new user's talk page: "Remember that despite what you may see more senior editors doing, please do not soap box using the edit summaries, it may not technically be against the rules here, but it should be." This is completely inappropriate. The edit summaries of the new user in question were all perfectly fine, so the warning must be perplexing to her. Thanks CensoredScribe for unscrupulously using a newcomer's talk page to make an snide comment about me just because I happened to leave a welcome message there. You really are something else and you don't deserve to be blocked at all. ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:43, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
I was worried they might think you were a good example of an editor to emulate the behavior of and start leaving inappropriate edit summaries calling for an editor to be banned rather than making those statements on this page where it is appropriate, if an admin says this is soap boxing than I will accept the penalty for soap boxing, I would love to know what the penalty is for a single instance of soap boxing is for future references, so that I might begin to calculate what it would be if applied to the dozens of times you've done it. You really are "something else" as well Daniel Tom, most other editors know not to use edit summaries the way that you do. Also, you failed to answer any of my questions regarding your completely inappropriate behavior in the past, detailed in the paragraphs above; I will not speculate as to why you did not answer those questions, particularly not with an improper online diagnosis of your mental and or physical health or accusations that you are less fluent in English than you claim to be, akin to those you have lobbied against me, as that would be perceived as bullying a non native English speaker, which is unacceptable on Wikiquote, unlike bullying five year olds, or those with the reading comprehension of a five year old, which is perfectly acceptable apparently. I will gladly accept a block for soap boxing if it sets a precedent you will be held to. Imagine if every edit summary someone made included the words, "promote me to admin for good contributions like this one!", rather than what you do with reverts which is inserting some variant of "ban the person who made this terrible edit I reverted!": commenting on editors, including yourself, is not an acceptable use of edit summaries. CensoredScribe (talk) 19:43, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

MonsterHunter32 edit warring again[edit]

MonsterHunter32 is again edit warring, this time removing from this page a section started by another user about him. (I'm not going to restore it again because I already know MonsterHunter32 would just keep removing it ad infinitum, despite the flagrant conflict of interest, and despite being warned not to edit war.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:21, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

DanielTom started reverting[edit]

Please note that the section I removed has nothing to with Wikiquote as it is about an incident on Wikipedia. There is nothing to hide as anyone can see my account and find out I was blocked. I removed the section as this is not a forum for other websites.

It is ironic User:DanielTom says I'm "edit-warring" when I only reverted once and he himself reverted once. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 17:34, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Also DT, I didn't revert Capitals00, I did make a comment myself in between. My own comment too was removed. Not a revert. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 18:28, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
You did revert him. I made a comment in between too, and you reverted it as well. You have now reverted Capitals00's comment about you at least three times [38] [39] [40], there's no point in denying it. ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:44, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
Nope, just twice. That too because I'm considering even the partial revert. Unlike you I am honest. I did make a comment myself in between before I removed it. Revert? Nope. Simple removal including my own edits. Oh and I'm not "turning the tables" but saying the truth - you reverted first. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 19:04, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
You removed your own edits and the edit of Capitals00. So you did revert his edit. No point in denying it. ~ DanielTom (talk) 19:11, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for shifting your stand. As for reverting him, of course not, I didn't revert. I only removed an unrelated section. But you did start the reverting. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 19:22, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
I didn't shift my "stand" (sic). As I explain below, your strategy of adding a bunch of comments of your own that you yourself then remove in a failed attempt to mask your removal of the original comment by the other user, is still reverting. You reverted first, I merely undid your revert. And you then reverted me. Then Capitals00 also undid your revert, and you again reverted him. ~ DanielTom (talk) 19:30, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
Yes you did. First it was only revert of Capitals00, now removal of myself and him. A removal doesn't become a revert until one does so. I haven't crossed 3RR. I don't intend to edit-war. You talked about letting admins decide, but you yourself couldn't wait for it. Not my fault. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 19:35, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
This edit of yours is a revert. You reverted Capitals00, and calling it a "removal" doesn't in any way change that. Whether you later reverted other users too (you did) is irrelevant. If you go to the page history, and revert the page to an earlier version, prior to Capitals00's edit, and save the changes, you achieve the exact same result that you got. So you obviously did revert his edit – if you hadn't, I wouldn't have been able to restore it. Another way to see this is to imagine you not making the comments that you then removed. It then becomes much clearer. Capitals00 posts his comment about you, and you immediately (without the intermediate edits) revert him. For all effects that's what you've done, even though your comments in-between made it confusing. Again, there's no point in denying it, other than to waste time. ~ DanielTom (talk) 19:54, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
As you have just admitted, you reverted Capitals00's edit about you; I restored it; then you reverted it again. Please stop with the false and stupidly misleading sub-titles. ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:40, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
All I said was Wikiquote is not a forum. Also I didn't start reverting you. Also didn't you say I should contact an admin if I had an issue with his edit? But you didn't follow your own principle and revrted. I'm saying the absolute truth which you omit always. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 17:46, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
No, you said that while removing his edit. So you started reverting. Everyone can see it. You removed his edit about you from the Administrators' noticeboard. Don't you see the glaring conflict of interest? Then when I restored it, you simply reverted it again. You have thus reverted it twice, and this despite the obvious conflict of interest, and against two different editors, and against edit-warring rules. The reason it's you who should contact an admin if you want that comment to be removed from the Administrators' noticeboard, and not me, is that the comment is about you, not about me. I don't have a conflict of interest, you do. But you decided to just remove it yourself, even though it is about you and even though you had to edit war to keep it removed. ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:04, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
Actually I didn't revert him, I did make a comment myself in between. My own comment too was removed. Not a revert. And only removed as it is not a forum. The end. MonsterHunter32 (talk)
Actually, you did revert him. I also made a comment in between, and you reverted it too. And just minutes ago, you reverted Capitals00 yet again. You keep reverting his edits about you despite the glaring conflict of interest and despite being warned not to edit war. I'm surprised the admins here haven't blocked you yet. ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:39, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
Nope I didn't make a revert. I did make a comment myself in between and removed it. And your comment didn't originally exist. Also only when Capitals00 "edit-warred" by restoring, I did revert him and said it plainly the second removal was a revert. I have already said let the admins decide it. So what's the impatience? I haven't breached 3RR and I don't intend to edit-war. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 18:53, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
You did make a revert. Three, in fact. Just because you add comments in between, and then decide to remove those comments of your own, along with the comment by the other user, that doesn't make it not a revert. Had you just removed your own comments, that would be fine. But you removed the comments of the other user. You did revert him. No point in trying to hide it. ~ DanielTom (talk) 19:03, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
Two reverts, don't be dishonest, the second was a partial revert. I did make a comment myself in between before I removed it. And your comment didn't originally exist. This is not a forum, so I removed it. Also nothing can be hidden here, except in your mind. If I wanted to I could have removed it earlier too. This is not a forum for other websites. Admins can decide if it should stay. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 19:09, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
Don't accuse me of being dishonest when it is you who are being dishonest. You fully reverted Capitals00 three times [41] [42] [43]. His last edit that you removed was not exactly the same as the previous ones, but your removal of it still counts as a full, not a "partial", revert. You removed all his comments about you from the Administrators' noticeboard, in their entirety, including his justification as to why they should not be removed. ~ DanielTom (talk) 19:17, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
A partial revert means partial. It wasn't the same as before. No matter what "justification"/excuses which didn't exist for days are to be made, let the admins decide on non-Wikiquote issues. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 19:26, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm quitting - permanently this time[edit]

Although I could keep on arguing, I have no energy left to argue. These people keep misleading. DanielTom keeps on arguing. The last time he and his pal argued, I got sick with their arguments and many accusations. Even admins argued with all of us. Now Capitals00 is accusing another sucker - ChockerStalker who got blocked as a suspected sockpuppet just for undoing him even though it is not me.

I am not doing this any longer. I thought there'll be some quite, but there won't be. I have undone my edits. I'm leaving permanently since nothing comes out. I'm quitting permanently. Do what you want from now on. As the community decides whether to unblock, I don't think I'll be getting unblocked on Wikipedia too after my angry and abusing behaviour in UTRS and freenode channel despite their offer. So clearly I'm done.

User:DanielTom you can freely undo all the edits I removed from Jedi3's articles. I won't be stopping you. Admins can lift the interaction ban on him, he can restore hos edit if he wants. I've only wasted my time. Last time I got enraged so I shelved the plan to quit. But I'm not planning on ever coming back, so I won't interfere in anyone's edits nor I'm going to edit anything anymore. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 20:08, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Also admins please archive these discussions once the process of reverting my removals starts. There's been a lot of fighting already and it won't be needed anymore since I've decided to let all my removals be reverted and have decided to permanently leave. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 20:56, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

In light of this statement, I have rolled back all of this editor's removals of text where this was the last edit to the page in question. Cheers! BD2412 T 04:04, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Alright, it seems 68 articles have been restored plus a few already restored by me and another editor in past. It won't have been fair for anyone since it is highly impossible for anyone to keep on arguing over such a large number of quotes. Therefore, I have decided to let them be and quit and not edit again. Goodbye. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 16:00, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Only about 30 or so articles are left to restore. Hopefully, the users will restore them. Thank you and goodbye. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 16:06, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Despite what other users may say, reverting the additions of even the most prolific editors does not take years; I'm sorry your time here was not more enjoyable, few if any editors set out with the administrators notice board as the page they intend to be spending most of their hours editing. Do you mind if I quote you on my user page as saying, "We can disagree on who is right or wrong. But we can all agree that the admins rarely bother to uphold the rules stringently here. Anyone can do anything it seems." I think it aptly explains the often paradoxical nature of the rules and their enforcement here. CensoredScribe (talk) 16:30, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
The reversions in question were not of additions. They were restorations of content added by other editors and removed by MonsterHunter32. BD2412 T 03:23, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

To avoid the hassles and because I removed them, I have reverted all the removals I am aware I made. I also took care that other edits aren't removed. The situation as far as I know is resolved and I have nothing more left to do. I can neither edit Wikipedia as I will be recognised by checkusers and I doubt the community will let me back in. Nor I want to spend more time by facing arguments on Wikiquote. But I have let go of the disputes and edits here. All quotes have been restored. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 19:48, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't think there is any more quote left that I removed. If there are any, there won't be many and I believe the editors can easily restore them as I won't be here any longer. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 19:50, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Why to quit? You've got plenty of talent - just use it the positive way!--Risto hot sir (talk) 20:33, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
The wikis have since long ago become a pointless battleground and I am tired of disputes, there is no point in staying. But hope others are happy that I decided to let it go. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 23:20, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Spammer and vandal[edit]

~ DanielTom (talk) 12:33, 15 May 2018 (UTC)