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AdamDeanHall's article ownenership and censorship[edit]

AdamDeanHall has been called out on bad behavior by others, says a quote from a Disney representitive on Princess Leia not being sexualized is obscene; even though it's a press statement from the company. They have inserted various errors into the Star Wars articles; and tell me that Star Wars is not a family film like Pirates of the Caribbean. I won't revert the family film category; however the censorship of the press release is a matter of defending Wikiquote's standards. CensoredScribe (talk) 19:09, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

While I would not want to remove a quote simply because someone deemed it offensive, in this case, I believe the so-called "quote" is the product of a satirical joke on the website in which it appears - I do not for a second believe that a Disney rep uttered the words (and this becomes more obvious the more of the article one reads). I would remove the quote on the grounds that it is a hoax. And for what it's worth, I would not include the Star Wars films in the Family films category either. ~ UDScott (talk) 19:48, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes: this is obviously satire. The source is most definitely not "a press statement from the company" as asserted above. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:49, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
On categorization:  I think of "family film" as a marketing category that has practically no value for identifying the nature of the work, so I don't care. If it means anything it might be "suitable for young children without being too inane for adults". How well that describes the film in question may be open to debate, but I don't think it is relevant to compiling and presenting a compendium of quotations. ~ Ningauble (talk) 17:30, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
ADH has been a problematic guy in anything Star Wars as far as I can remember. Much like a certain admin in violating LOQ just because there's some notable quotes they think its worth putting in when the limits still apply.--Eaglestorm (talk) 05:43, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Eaglestorm, I do not think vague and nonspecific complaints at the Administrators' noticeboard, particularly allegations of administrator misconduct, are actionable. If you want a grievance to be considered seriously, you need to be specific. ~ Ningauble (talk) 17:01, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Oh was I referring to you?!--Eaglestorm (talk) 02:34, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
I would not have thought so, and I do not know which "certain admin" you were referring to. Posts on this noticeboard are addressed to all of the administrators as a group, including me. Hence I replied, noting that we can not act on vague and nonspecific accusations.

Making complaints about administrator conduct on the administrators' noticeboard is serious business. I have done it myself, and it is taken very seriously. Unless you are serious about backing it up, I encourage you to refrain from making disparaging remarks about anyone, anywhere. ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:55, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Doesn't compute and even if I named that admin, you're gonna whiteknight for them when they violate LOQ for the sake of notability. Seems you're every bit defensive by reacting to it. --Eaglestorm (talk) 02:57, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Sorry about the quote, however CNN does have real tweets from Disney and Mark Hamill on the subject; I don't think either are relevant enough to include in the page for Return of the Jedi but might still work for the page on Star Wars in general as a reflection of the fandom. [1] CensoredScribe (talk) 13:26, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm curious as to why you put in all those material from interviews. They're still quotes and potentially violate LOQ.--Eaglestorm (talk) 02:57, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Technical question re. what constitutes edit warring[edit]

A disagreement has arisen between Kalki and myself over repeatedly including one particular image with the Main Page QotD every single day. I asked Kalki to stop "branding Wikiquote in this way" pending consensus to do so. Discussion thus far has been minimal, and both of us have continued to add and remove the image ever since.[2][3][4]

Now then, quite apart from the question of whether it is a good idea to use the same image every day, I am unsure whether Wikiquote:Image use policy#Dispute resolution even applies to this situation, or whether the activity of the parties does or does not constitute "edit warring". I am asking here for uninvolved administrators' opinions about which of the following characterizations of the situation is correct:

  1. This is edit warring, in which two users are repeatedly adding and removing the same image from the same Main Page many times. Therefore, re-adding the image to the Main Page is subject to the image dispute resolution policy.
  2. This is not edit warring because, notwithstanding transclusion on the same target page, each QotD is a separate and distinct page. Therefore, adding the image to a new and different page every day is not subject to the image dispute resolution policy.

Of course, there is little precedent for enforcing the policy in question, so that aspect of this question may be moot. Nevertheless, clarity on the broader question about the technical meaning of "edit warring" per se in this context(singular or plural) will help me decide how to approach resolving the disagreement. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:59, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

My opinion is that this does constitute edit warring - and should be handled as such. ~ UDScott (talk) 17:10, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Ok, if this is considered edit warring I will stop doing it. If the other party persists I will request the assistance of an uninvolved party. ~ Ningauble (talk) 19:39, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
But to your point, the image should remain off the pages until there is discussion, per the Image use policy. ~ UDScott (talk) 20:00, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Why does the user want the image removed? What detrimental effect would including it have? – Illegitimate Barrister, 19:19, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Since the use of the symbol has been questioned as a rather blatant violation of the Image Use Policy (specifically where the image must have relevance with respect to a quote - and given that it has been used in relation to QOTD selections for a number of consecutive days, such relevance is not clear), as the policy states, it should not be placed again without discussion leading to consensus on its use. ~ UDScott (talk) 11:55, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Request for intervention in edit war[edit]

Even after being advised of the discussion above, User:Kalki has continued to re-add the monad image to the Main Page QotD again today at Wikiquote:Quote of the day/August 28, 2015. This time the HTML entity #10752 ("⨀") has been used instead of the file image:Monad.svg to achieve the same effect. Perhaps this is an attempt to obfuscate the situation or to evade the policy on image use by using a mathematical glyph that is not literally an image file, but the effect and the intent are clearly the same.

I am not going to continue edit warring by removing the glyph. Instead, I request that an uninvolved administrator remove it and intervene to stop this from continuing every day. Thank you. ~ Ningauble (talk) 05:01, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

I agree that the use of the symbol (rather than the prior image) still violates the spirit of the discussion here and have removed it. If the use of it is desired, please engage in constructive dialogue before using it again. ~ UDScott (talk) 13:44, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Why does the user want the image of symbol removed? – Illegitimate Barrister, 19:16, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Since the use of the symbol has been questioned as a rather blatant violation of the Image Use Policy (specifically where the image must have relevance with respect to a quote - and given that it has been used in relation to QOTD selections for a number of consecutive days, such relevance is not clear), as the policy states, it should not be placed again without discussion leading to consensus on its use. ~ UDScott (talk) 11:55, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Strongly agree with UDScott and Ningauble, above. -- Cirt (talk) 20:52, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Very narrow POV zealotry on some articles recently[edit]

I just reverted major changes made to the Information article today, made by an anon IP. There have been similar alterations to several articles in recent days and weeks very much akin to those which had occurred in recent months, apparently by someone seeking to transform many articles on Wikiquote into advertisement and promotion of their particularly obtuse and asinine interpretations of some of the ideas of Terence McKenna. I don’t have any objections to his ideas being added, where appropriate — but object to making articles seem to endorse and promote some of the more immature, ignorant and confused theories which have developed around them. I have no time to deal further with this matter, as I must be leaving now, and am a bit rushed, but will probably be back within a few hours to deal with the problem a bit more. ~ Kalki·· 13:00, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Kalki, I agree with your actions here. :) -- Cirt (talk) 20:53, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi there[edit]

Sorry for my absence - long absence (since 2011?). Thank you for all your works during these days and patience toward me inactive admin. Now I'm back. Let me talk about some personal, I'm now 47 and my doctor told I won't be fully recovered from my physical troubles. My youth has gone. Time hasn't stopped. Yet I dare say, "thou art beautiful". Wikiquote is here, you guys are around. I'm happy to see it. On my side, I don't promise you all my former high pitched activities, rather moderate one fitting to my age and circumstances. But anyway I'm happy to back editing. I hope you content that.

I'm now trying to catch up, but it seems to take a bit time more. I feel as if I were a newbie. There're lots I need to recall and learn newly. Any recommendations and suggestions where I should start and give a look are welcome. Cheers, --Aphaia (talk)

Welcome back Aphaia! ~ UDScott (talk) 13:08, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
Welcome back! (It may seem like a long time to someone who is 47 years young, but from my "mature" perspective four or five years is only a brief interlude.)
Here are some things of interest that are new or changed since then:
  • Policy/guideline pages WQ:FC and WQ:IMAGE were adopted in 2012. (WQ:LOQ is still just a draft proposal since 2008.)
  • In other discussions, Further reading sections and Infobox templates have been deprecated as too "encyclopedic" for Wikiquote's purposes. Current discussion at WQ:VP#Vote on Main Page Image Policy appears to be settled, but has not been codified into policy.
  • The main section heading in articles is now usually "Quotes" instead of "Sourced", because contrasting "Unsourced" sections are not allowed.
  • Bureaucrats no longer rename user accounts on local wikis. Since user accounts are now unified across all WMF wikis, renaming and usurpation are handled by global functionaries.
  • The AbuseFilter tool (which is hard for non-experts to use) now has a global version (operated at Meta) that has been used very effectively to stop most spam bots.
Of course, there have been several changes in the administrators roster; and we have more than 25,000 articles now. ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:49, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your walm welcoming guys, and for information, Ningauble. I've read the formalized policy/guideline, happy to see our long term issues solved. The on-going discussion on VP looked so settled as to make me hesitate to give some comments. I think my own standing, keeping NPOV balance, specially in places more visible, is near to the consensus, but fine to have a room to give last minute comment. --Aphaia (talk) 08:41, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Glad to see you back, Aphaia, and thank you very much for your helpful comments at Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Jim Henson, most appreciated, -- Cirt (talk) 21:03, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Redcarpetpress (talk · contributions)[edit]

I have at this point put a temporary block on this user due to extensive vandalism, various clearly false and nonsensical accusations, and creation of attack pages against an editor in response to a prod notice being placed on page this user created. I must be leaving soon, and have not had time to examine or revert much of the damage to various pages with such nonsense, but will attempt to clear away a few more bits of the nonsense before leaving. ~ Kalki·· 12:35, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

@Kalki:It may be of use to see this activity by same users at en.wikipedia, at LINK. -- Cirt (talk) 20:54, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

More attention appreciated at Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Jim Henson[edit]

More attention appreciated at Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Jim Henson, please.

  1. The deletion discussion at Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Jim Henson has open open for longer than one (1) month.
  2. Allixpeeke greatly helped to improve the sourcing on the page, and I've added a fully sourced About section.
  3. Every single quote on the page is now properly cited and sourced.
  4. Aphaia asked users who had previously commented to the page to consider changing their votes, due to the improvements, per DIFF.
  5. The only user who had previously commented "delete", other than the nominator himself, was Rubbish computer, who changed his vote to "Keep", per DIFF.

Summary: It appears that after one (1) month of time for discussion, and now unanimous consent for "Keep" (excluding the nominator who has seemingly not revisited the deletion discussion after the improvement efforts by Allixpeeke and myself) — could the discussion perhaps be closed as "Keep", at this point in time ?

Thank you for your consideration in this matter,

-- Cirt (talk) 20:26, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Template:Cite news[edit]

There is something missing in the current Template:Cite news template, that it doesn't give show a message to look at the talk page for more documentation. Could this be fixed? -- Mdd (talk) 11:12, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

You can copy or move the usage notes from the talk page to the documentation page. Because the template has "<noinclude>{{Documentation}}</noinclude>" at the bottom, the "/doc" page will be displayed on the template page. See Wikipedia:Template documentation for an overview. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:03, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
My question is, can somebody fix this? -- Mdd (talk) 16:54, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
The answer is yes: you can. ~ Ningauble (talk) 17:10, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
With the answer the bug remains that the page shows links to the non-existing Template:Pp-template. -- Mdd (talk) 23:14, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
You'll be appreciated to introduce non-existing useful templates :) --Aphaia (talk) 23:37, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Please Nuke Special:Contributions/Lonna2675y[edit]

Spam attack. Eurodyne (talk) 02:46, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

The account was already globally blocked when I noticed the activity, and I have now deleted all the spam pages which were produced here by it. ~ Kalki·· 06:26, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Understanding about sections and the crime genre.[edit]

I thought the about sections for Snow White is perfectly fine as those are quotes from relevant experts and no different than any other films about section. I'm also pretty sure a movie about a home break in counts as crime for Home Alone, and that Carmen Sandiego is also about crime as she's a thief being pursued by detectives. CensoredScribe (talk) 20:34, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

(Welcome back, CensoredScribe) which article do you discuss on? I'm puzzled. --Aphaia (talk) 04:11, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Aphaia, I haven;t quite left yet but today I will, hopefully on my own accord. CensoredScribe (talk) 21:24, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
There is not enough crime in any of the Aladdin films to make any of them crime films, Home Alone is mainly about a boy who was left behind at home by accident, Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego? is just a game show based on a computer game, and concerning Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, none of those quotes were in the movie. This user is just repeating the same trouble it got into in August. WikiLubber (talk) 04:52, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Regarding the edit war over quotes about films at Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film)WikiLubber is incorrect in insisting film articles should have only quotes from the film. However, I endorse removal of the particular quotes in question as material that lacks relevance to a compendium of quotations. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:32, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Regarding categories added by User:CensoredScribe – This user has some serious misunderstandings about what categories signify and how they are used, and was topic banned from adding categories at Wikipedia before ultimately being completely banned from the site.[5]

    CensoredScribe's misunderstanding of relevance extends beyond inappropriate categorizations to posting off-topic quotations in theme articles. This user has operated at a remarkably high volume, even after announcing retirement from Wikiquote,[6] creating a huge burden for the community to clean up.[7]

    If we do not see immediate and substantial reform in this user's conduct then I would recommend User:CensoredScribe be banned from Wikiquote for disruption. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:32, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

    • So the dozen edits you Ninguable reverted the day before yesterday were huge and ban worthy? I thanked Ninguable for being a good editor, particularly for recognizing that locks are identifiable as tech, but not tech enough nor weapons like the mechanically simpler sword. Propaganda is an art movement as much as trans humanism, though not an art, Newspapers are not art for all though they often contain pictures so do many books which aren't labeled as art. The 2nd billed actor in home alone plays a criminal, where in the world is Carmen Sandiego isn't just a game show it is also a fox cartoon about detectives pursuing thieves. Aladdin and the King of Thieves kind of sounds like it is about thieves, sort of like that lengthily scene in the first Aladdin where he's singing about stealing to survive, I notice you aren't protesting Mulan being about war. The quotes on Snow White are no different than the other about sections for Star Trek I have made, about sections are less noticeable than the actual films and most people tend to avoid them because of that ambiguity; collecting interviews with the cast in one location is an excellent goal though I believe, which pools collected fan knowledge from interviews into one central location for all the popular franchises. At most I deserve a 3 day block given thse complaints regard my conduct made in the last 3 days, Ill even play along that the 10%bad edits I've made in the last 3 days warrants a month long block because I actually am retiring for the rest of the year do to school work concerns. Being angry that I didn't eave soon enough appears to be something most of my accusers end up doing, I had no idea it was that bothersome, perhaps you should stop "caring" quite so much and take a deep breath, or make it official in the rules that retired template can only be used when you actually ready to leave instead of getting ready to leave? CensoredScribe (talk) 16:15, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Please keep in mind that most people hide their politics. CensoredScribe (talk) 16:04, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
  • To be clear, my observations above are not about some dozen recent edits, nor about whatever your political ideas are. This is about the continuation at Wikiquote of disruptive activity, i.e. high volume of inappropriate content, for which you were banned at Wikipedia. Multiple editors have tried for months to work with you on the relevance of categories and quotations, and there are thousands of edits that need to be reviewed. Continuation of this activity in the last three days is only an indication that you are not listening. If you are able to reform by, e.g., either learning how genres are commonly defined and understood or else recognizing that you do not understand and refraining from fooling with them, then you are still welcome. Several users have succeeded with a second chance at Wikiquote, but carrying on with the same thing that got you banned elsewhere is wasting that chance. ~ Ningauble (talk) 17:25, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Really, thousands? Is that something you are willing to standby; thousands of reverted edits? Because my entire edit war with Ryulong was less than 200, maybe 300 bad edits; that tells me you exaggerate by a factor of three and that neither of us is willing to count how many of my edits were reverted because that would take hours. How many edits do you think you have reverted, by now 2 dozen? You are abusing your clout here for no reason, I will post no more; my apologies for the 4 reversions because of that Doctor Who quote I wanted to use as a test, mind telling me what that quote is about, it uses life twice, just as wrong is used three times in the A Clockwork Orange quote you've been reverting. I think the Doctor Who quote is a bad quote and I apologize for every use, but that you are wrong about A Clock Work Orange and wrong and cure. Also my reasons for Propaganda and Advertisement are completely valid, those are art genres, few books are propaganda but there are many works of art termed that academically due to patronage and politics.
You are 100% wrong on Snow White, that section is no different than the notability of the ones created for Star Trek (TV, except Next Gen and V and VI for films) Starwars 1 and 3 and Indiana Jones 1 and 4 I've done that for, Hero's, Lost, 24, Battle Star Galactica, Babylon 5, Game of Thrones, Gargoyles, Sponge-Bob, Hulk, X-Men, Wonder Woman, Alien Versus Predator, Alien 2 and Sucker Punch. The only about sections for fiction I've seen prior to this were for Superman Neon Genesis Evangelion and the original Godzilla film. I have a limited experience with literature so I can't say what is the case with about sections there; however mostly I see about sections for historical figures. I dislike bragging, but I have a feeling I have made more about sections outside of people and history articles than anyone else at this point, please correct me if I am wrong so I can study the about sections of whoever else has written many of them. I appreciate being told areas of writing I'm bad at so that I can improve.
The things I said about the Star Trek films are quoted on memory alpha, notability means different things to different levels of nerd-dom and the Disney fan base cares just as much as the Star Trek fan base about the production details. I included quotes from the title character Snow White's main animator w:Grim Natwick and Disney art historian Carmenita Higginbotham; which should definitely be included, though I will argue Justice Scalia is right on quoting for 24 than France's most famous dominatrix is correct for Snow White as well, Catherine Robbe-Grillet has a wikipedia page; I hink she and Justice Anton Scalia are equally not hollywood experts but people of note. I would think that a quote from Robin William on Evangelion or Doctor Who may be appropriate for those pages. I generally try and avoid quotes from even notable critics like Roger Ebert or else every page would have him. When an entire organization condemns something I tend to include those, I would like to do something for the Catholic Churches highest level condemnation of Kevin Smith's Dogma, perhaps around Chrismas when I have time.
You could always try educating me and tell me why my about sections are bad and why you didn't notice the other about sections I have made and that no one else has had a problem with, because they are on topic, cool and useful. I am done editing main space for now, I'll try to check in everyday until this discussion closes but other than that I will be calling it quits for a while until I feel like categorizing cartoons and finishing the rest of the minor religious figures and moving onto the major religious figures. Other than that, my only real interest here now lies with about sections for films which Ninguable seems to only object to for one film but not the others. CensoredScribe (talk) 18:43, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
For the most part this has been an extremely nice wiki to contribute to even when my edits are reverted, like over on Catholithism. It's a chance to argue better, and seeing as I'm right about snow white and those other about sections I don't think I will experience any difficulties or present any to the community. Trust me I understand the importance of time spent reverting bad edits, hopefully I pass my classes, cause I've been a better editor than astudent this semester, but if not it's my own damn fault, likeit was ignoring the 7th block to warn me to stop making new categories on wikipedia. I do this because I think it's the right thing to do, and if it isn't than I don't want to do it. CensoredScribe (talk) 22:29, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Four brief comments:  1) I wrote "need to be reviewed", and I stand by the statement. I have only sampled a small fraction of your nearly four thousand edits, and a large proportion of them are "bad edits". Yes I didn't notice all of the bad edits, yet, because it will take days to review thousands of edits.  2) That Doctor Who quote you "wanted to use as a test" is called disrupting the project to make a point, which is grounds for banning.  3) Your arguments about categories are categorically wrong. E.g., the fact that art is used in advertisement and propaganda does not make advertising and propaganda art movements.  4) Your approach to what is relevant for a theme article reflects a similar misconception that if there is any connection at all then it must be a quote about the topic.

I would like to be able to offer better explanations for your education, but your experience at Wikipedia and your headstrong recklessness here do not give me much hope that you are willing and able to learn. Are you? ~ Ningauble (talk) 22:59, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

So now the game is to be brief? I wasn't making a point, stop assuming my intetions and listen to logic. 1) No one needs to be reviewed, because we are all constantly being reviewed; if there was an issue someone like BD2412 would have told me about it and I would have listened like I did on the formatting problems, I've already had plenty of oversight. If my edits to any 1 article are bad they get noticed by the people who watch that article. 2) I thought the Doctor Who quote would work for one of those subjects than realized it would not, that is not making a point, that is realizing a mistake. I am right about Clock Work Orange working on multiple levels though. 3) Which categories, be specific, you haven't reverted horror, military drama, sci-fi fantasy or those super hero movies I categorized. As for art, look up Diego Rivera and Orlan for up Diego Rivera and the numerous examples of propaganda art throughout history and more recently advertising and transhumanism like Orlan. These are art genres talked about in art history and art classes at universities and high schools. 4) Which theme other than the ones I admitted were off in retrospect for Doctor Who in the last 2 days? Name something we can all look, don't be vague.
The logical conclusion to the large number of fallacies you exhibit in your arguements is that of ideology hiding it'self as wikilawyering in fear of the invisible bonds that bind people ideologically, this is a most frivolrous case; give me Snow White propaganda and advertising and I will stop arguing with you, I am not a threat to this project, you are. I have to question only doing this for Snow White and the the collaboration between wiki lubber and Ninguable, just out of curiosity has there ever been an example of paid editing on this Wiki, Ryulong was caught paid editing for Gamergate. CensoredScribe (talk) 23:35, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
You cite no examples making a poor argument. Which themes, the Doctor Who mistake I just made or something that's been here unquestioned for months? That quote says life twice but really isn't about anything other than Doctor Who, unlike many Doctor Who quotes about larger subjects. Wrong is the subject of the A Clockwork Orange quote, not violence or God, but those also work. I admit have been making some bad edits these last 2 days, though understandable ones. Nuclear bombs, bombs and locks are all the forms of science and technology I said they were. Digimon isn't fantasy like Tron and Wierd Science, even though it is the most fantasy esque sci-fi ever with computer data becoming tangible, which all makes the holodeck accidents look vaguely more hard sci-fi as hard light in contrast. Snow White isn't one of my mistakes and I am correct about the art movements of advertising and propaganda. It's a good idea for me to take a break though, regardless of how good a job I've been doing, because I've been doing this long enough and should take a break. 2 dozen about sections is a lot, I expect Snow White to be representative of all of them, so if that goes so should they all.
As a reminder, I am under no present sanctions and there's no more dialogue quotes. I shouldn't have to apologize for the French Proverb I added after saying I was done with main space, it was on topic and I haven't been sanctioned yet. Sorry for the retired template but every day this conversation continues is another day it isn't true, because oncea day, (but no more) I will be responding to this thread.I have proven myself and apologized for the very limited number of mistakes I have made, given the large number of edits I have made. I have no further arguements to make, and require the assistance of someone else in this conversation, as you should never be your own wikilawyer, just like in real life with real lawyers. CensoredScribe (talk) 23:40, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
CensoredScribe (talk) 23:08, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

CensoredScribe, I'm going to be honest with you. Right now, you need to stop wasting your time, and that of others, and focus on school. That's what's important. I will, however, leave you with a couple of thoughts: 1) This isn't Wikipedia – if we're lucky, we might have two or three volunteers reviewing the recent changes here on any given day. Yesterday alone you made over 200 edits – you can't expect us to check them all one by one (and we have better things to do than to be your permanent babysitter). So, if you're going to edit, you have to do it responsibly. 2) You don't need to be so confrontational. (What do you gain by calling Ningauble "a threat to this project", other than make yourself look foolish?)... Okay, good luck. ~ DanielTom (talk) 03:05, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

You are right Daniel Tom, I had no idea the number of volunteers here or that it was 200 edits; I incorrectly assumed there were more people actively reviewing here than on Rational wiki because the Alexa traffic is higher, but that traffic is just for page views not editors and that makes sense because of the many popular series with pages. I'm doing myself and the community a disservice; I mean really at this point I should not make any typos, and should probably just wait to post about sections when I have multiple quotes all together instead of just one at a time, good to keep the number of revisions in the history pages low if I can, saves electricity on some level I'm sure.
This is free while my education isn't; I apologize for saying Wiki Lubber is a threat to the project for owning the Snow White article; Snow White Propaganda and Advertising. Here is why propaganda is an art movement or art; or something other than literature and semiotics. Most people would say Uncle Sam during word association; Uncle Sam is an illustration not a book or a formal argument or a theme; Propaganda is as common a term in art as beautiful and ugly, within the most highly esteemed academic genre of history painting, and advertisement is just corporate propaganda and self fashioning on the private level. Both are discussed extensively in academic art curriculum and should be included, and yeah having the most experience with about sections, the one made for Snow White is no different than the other 30; take that either way. I'll leave it up to you whether the dominatrix with a wikipedia page is noteworthy but the films lead character animator with a wiki page most certainly is; as much as Gene Roddenberry's secretary which anyone reverting my edits like Ninguable would have noted and undone. It seems weird Snow White started this; but I have to wonder whether this isn't about me not being "pure" enough good enough for Snow White; let's talk about that, what's wrong with the about section for Snow White? Forget everything else, why isn't the main animator describing the historical atmosphere in which the race for the first animated woman in a full length feature film important? Because Disney's animation history has some less than sunny parts that are extensively documented, the voice actress had an exclusivve contract but her hours weren;t nearly as rough as the animators. I suppose I would have gone there eventually, but I haven't quite got the references together yet, though it's perfectly worth mentioning, unlike on Wikipedia because it is quotation a historian of animation would mention, and by historian I mean anyone interested. CensoredScribe (talk) 02:47, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

CensoredScribe (talk) 01:03, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Request for comment: checkuser investigation[edit]

(cf. WQ:VIP) Ralph Layton (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) his edits are likely hoaxes and in regard of the correspondence w/ single-issue-interested anon and himself, I'd invite the community to consider a checkuser investigation on this account for searching other possible hoaxes under different usernames. Opinions? --Aphaia (talk) 04:15, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Without significant evidence of a broader pattern, I imagine the Stewards might decline searching for other possible hoaxes as a "fishing expedition". Keep your eyes open for similar activity. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:58, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

There is a pattern. See the following accounts that were just blocked today:

It's pretty obvious to me that this guy is the same old "troll-vandal" who's been afflicting this wiki for years now. ~ DanielTom (talk) 16:24, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

I have not analized this activity in detail (and I think there are multiple same old troll-vandals), but if it looks like the same person then by all means file a request at m:SRCU. ~ Ningauble (talk) 17:56, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
I agree those three accounts share patterns, but not sure Ralph Layton falls into this category. Checking those three is a considerable action, but it would be another investigation. --Aphaia (talk) 12:54, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Another IP vandal[edit]

User is creating phony user pages and causing mischief. I request it be blocked (especially from editing its own talk page) infinitely. WikiLubber (talk) 04:57, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Make it 1 year not infinite because IPs shouldn't be blocked indefinitely so 1 or 2 years work. -- 05:01, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for notifying us, Please consider to use WQ:VIP with {{vandal}} instead in the next time. (talkcontribspage movesblock userblock log) is now blocked. --Aphaia (talk) 05:05, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
There seems to be subtle vandalism and false extensions of quotes going on with several accounts just now, but I cannot stick around and must be leaving for at least a few hours. I had meant to do a bit more here already, but just checked in, and must be leaving, and am not sure when I will be back. ~ Kalki·· 14:04, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Suspected copyright violations at Bram van Velde. Feedback requested[edit]

In the latest expansion of the Bram van Velde lemma in two sections copyright violations were suspected. I noticed

  1. A first section contained 50 quotes (in total about 100 lines of text) from 16 pages of text of the original.
  2. A second section contained 29 quotes (about 90 lines of text) from 16 pages of text of the original.

The Wikiquote:Limits on quotations prescribes two quidelines:

  • Spoken-word (speeches, standup comedy, interviews, etc.) Five quotes maximum for any work not in the public domain.
  • Books A recommended maximum of five lines of prose or eight lines of poetry for every ten pages of a book not in the public domain, or

Now I trimmed back both sections:

  1. First section was trimmed back to 10 short quotes (in total about 10 lines)
  2. Second section was trimmed back to 8 longer quotes (in total about 25 lines)

Now I would like to ask feedback on this administrative action. -- Mdd (talk) 18:43, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

I would not characterize this as an administrative action, but an editorial one. It can be discussed by regular contributors on the article talk page unless normal discussion has broken down. ~ Ningauble (talk) 19:20, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Seconded. --Aphaia (talk) 22:52, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Fair enough. I restarted this discussion at the article talk page (here), and comments from all users are welcome. -- Mdd (talk) 15:23, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Serial account creation[edit]

While there is no edit from those accounts, please be vigilant.--Aphaia (talk) 12:47, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

           09:16 . . User account ThanduxoloKennethTwani4092 (Talk | contribs | block) was created ‎
        09:13 . . User account ThanduxoloKennethTwani4091 (Talk | contribs | block) was created ‎
        08:54 . . User account ThanduxoloKennethTwani4084 (Talk | contribs | block) was created ‎
        08:47 . . User account ThanduxoloKennethTwani4082 (Talk | contribs | block) was created ‎
        08:43 . . User account ThanduxoloKennethTwani4080 (Talk | contribs | block) was created ‎

There are more than fifty accounts in this series created in recent weeks. None have made any edits. ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:16, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

for slightly differing lists of similar accounts. Must be some kid with nothing better to do than try to circumvent the account creation IP cap. He has some minor IP mobility, but seems to be hitting the six accounts per 24h limit, as he should. The count of attached wikis varies between 4-15 typically, compare for example 5002 and 5003. jni (talk) 20:38, 20 November 2015 (UTC)