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Paid editing

Paid editing is something I would like to know the definition of and how it differs from receiving financial benefit. For example, if you make residuals from having worked on a film, would it be paid editing to make changes to the wikiquote page for that film? If you work for a corporation isn't it a conflict of interest if you added nothing but negative quotes to the page for that corporation's main competitor? What if you're the mayor of a city, can you make edits to the page for that city? What if a family member benefits financially from your edits, like a mayor that benefits from the work of their child editing about their city, it seems pretty extreme to forbid people from editing certain topics because of circumstances beyond their control. Does being imprisoned for your edits count as a form of payment, it does result in food and shelter you might not otherwise have? If jail somehow counts as a form of payment than wouldn't being a slave count as paid editing?
From my present, largely uninformed, point of view a strict definition of paid editing would effectively prevent scientists from writing about their areas of expertise and it would prevent most government employees from writing about pretty much anything, because it seems like pretty much everything has become politicized at this point. Is Wikiquote supposed to be like how the Olympics used to be, where only amateur athletes but not professional athletes were allowed to compete?
Also doesn't reporting someone getting paid for editing require evidence of their identity, which means by reporting them you are doxing them? I thought that was against the rules here as well. CensoredScribe (talk) 15:08, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

WQ inherits its "paid editing" guideline from Wikipedia, so reading that will answer some of your questions. Doxxing is indeed a much bigger violation of policy than "conflict of interest" editing. HouseOfChange (talk) 01:01, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

It's hard to see how anyone could engage in a fruitful degree of paid editing on this particular project. I suppose a wealthy and widely-quoted person might want a page (low-visibility as it may be), or may want to control contents of their pre-existing page. BD2412 T 02:28, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

There's a much bigger likelihood of COI editing in a negative way -- for example, the George Galloway article. HouseOfChange (talk) 02:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

The idea of the MO for paid editing being limited to self-portraiture or character assassination is a very limited way of looking at this issue, however the unlikeliness of this rule actually being effectively enforced unless someone self incriminates by posting a photograph onto Wikiquote of themselves being handed money by their financial benefactor (who is also on camera), while publishing an edit with their other hand, makes my concern for this issue laughable. It's a serious issue, but the enforcement of it is essentially nonsensical if it depends entirely on confessions. It also doesn't account for being paid not to edit, like if you work for someone famous that would prefer you not be talking about them on social media, or if you work in the government and your boss doesn't like your politics because it makes your organization look bad. CensoredScribe (talk) 22:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikiquote as homework

Would it be against the rules here for a teacher to assign contributing quotations to Wikiquote as homework for their class? Would it make a difference whether the teacher themselves was a contributor? Does the age of the students make a difference? I personally think this would be a bad idea, however that's different than being against the rules. CensoredScribe (talk) 16:58, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Episode Quote Limit

I have taken issue with the “only two quotes per episode” rule, especially since there are so many pages that have already broken this rule and nobody has done anything about them. Can we raise the limit to something like twenty? As long as we’re not posting the entire script, it should be fine. 2603:7000:1200:825A:4511:238F:3F2C:426A 22:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Can we please lift the “only two quotes per episode” rule. Two episodes per quote is too few in my opinion, and what if there’s a memorable quote someone wants to post but can’t because there’s already two quotes for the episode? People told me that it’s because there’s risk of the site being shut down if too much copyrighted material is posted, but that’s never happened as far as I can tell. Besides, there’s people who treat the Family Guy Seasons 8 and 9 pages very seriously with this rule, but every other page for the show is ignored. Either we enforce this rule consistently, or we significantly relax, if not out right abolish it. Which one is it? —This unsigned comment is by 2600:1017:b835:be2:c889:d83f:2bb:361a (talk • contribs) 13:39, 20 April 2024.

Two quotes per episode is too few.

Can we please lift the “only two quotes per episode” rule. Two episodes per quote is too few in my opinion, and what if there’s a memorable quote someone wants to post but can’t because there’s already two quotes for the episode? People told me that it’s because there’s risk of the site being shut down if too much copyrighted material is posted, but that’s never happened as far as I can tell. Besides, there’s people who treat the Family Guy Seasons 8 and 9 pages very seriously with this rule, but every other page for the show is ignored. Either we enforce this rule consistently, or we significantly relax, if not out right abolish it. Which one is it? Playland1998 (talk) 15:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree that we need to avoid violating copyright, but where in policy or elsewhere is there a "two quotes per episode" rule? HouseOfChange (talk) 02:21, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Please refer to WQ:LOQ (and the associated talk page). There have also been numerous discussions on this topic elsewhere (see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, Wikiquote:Quality and Quantity, and I am sure there are more in the archives - I will keep looking and update if I find others). Much of this discussion originated when a sister project in France was threatened with complete shutdown.
There had been discussion about relaxing this restriction (I believe 5 per 1/2 hour episode and 10 per hour episode had been put forward), but we never got consensus. The Limits on Quotations page is a proposed guideline - it never got enough traction to become official policy. But that being said, the community consensus seemed to be that we need some limits so that we can maintain reasonable pages - there was also discussion that even if limits did not prevent bloat that appears on many TV show pages, that the criterion of quotability should also be applied and would likely limit some of the additions by applying that lens. The idea of this site is to post a selection of notable quotes - not full scripts of films or TV shows. Despite the seemingly arbitrary nature of selecting a numerical limit for quotes, it does seem to have benefitted our film and TV show pages in particular, keeping them to a manageable length and level of quality. I do feel there is some leeway we should have for film pages (especially established classics like Casablanca), but for TV shows (that have so many hours or material), it seems like it would be a bit absurd to allow an unlimited amount of quotes per episode. ~ UDScott (talk) 14:29, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

My problem is that the people in this website aren’t truly practicing what they preach, and it’s just not fair. It’s only those two specific Family Guy pages that have the most restrictions from other people, while everything else is just left alone. Long ago, I anonymously added the entire story of how Debbie Grund was killed to the page on King of the Hill's fourth season, and last I checked, no one has deleted it. Playland1998 (talk) 14:41, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Template:Wikiquotelang

Hi, is it possible to add Bengali Wikiquote (বাংলা) in there? We recently crossed 1K mark. Thanks. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 20:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

@আফতাবুজ্জামান: শুকরিয়া/মারহাবা! —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

@Koavf, The code is wrong, should be "bn" (not bg), you can add something like this. Thanks. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 00:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

D'oh. Thanks again. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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Policy change proposal: More quotes per episode

I’ve been trying to add more quotes to the pages for Family Guy's eighth and ninth seasons, but people kept preaching to me that there should only be two quotes per half-hour episode, or else they will get a copyright claim. Anonymous user 100.8.243.246 said to me on UDScott’s talk page that the event it never happens is “unlikely”, but cannot disagree with him more. The page for Season 18 for example has 14 quotes for the episode The Movement, and not a single copyright claim has happened to that. I also added the entire story of Debbie Grund’s death to King of the Hill’s fourth season, and guess what people did about it? Nothing! Besides, why would anyone copyright claim this website anyway, when there are so many other quote websites that are just left alone?

So I’m coming up with a new proposal to raise the maximum number of quotes per episode, since not a single copyright claim has happened to Family Guy Season 18 or King of the Hill Season 4. The maximum number of quotes should be: five quotes for a show less than a half-hour long; 15 quotes for a half-hour; 20 quotes for an hour; 25 quotes for an hour and a half; 30 quotes for two hours; and 40 quotes for 3 hours. Because since no one is copyright claiming those pages, then why should we even care?

P.S. I expect a satisfactory response as soon as possible. I don’t like it when people ignore my words. Playland1998 (talk) 02:33, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

A slight increase might be OK but fifteen quotes per half hour seems much too high. HouseOfChange (talk) 03:16, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

How about ten? Playland1998 (talk) 16:47, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

• It would be more convincing if most tv show articles were attempts at offering quotable lines instead of just recording dialogue. GMG^talk 16:48, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikiquote doesn't have all that many active users, but this is an issue people might realistically vote on in mass, given how much activity on this website concerns television shows. This is just my assessment, but we seem to favor movies over TV, and video games and comic books are largely dismissed despite modern video games being comparable in length to novels in their word count and a large portion of the movies coming out being based on comics. If you think we can normally interest a group of twelve people for a vote on anything than you are sorely mistaken, but raising this issue might actually accomplish that. CensoredScribe (talk) 23:39, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Richard Nixon and Category:Richard Nixon

At d:Special:Diff/2134319560, I was alerted that Category:Anti-Semites is added to these pages. The main article was made first, and I made the category by copying all categories from the main article (I didn't notice about Category:Anti-Semites until the message). I'm not sure if the enwiki article supports this categorization. Should we remove Category:Anti-Semites from these pages? MathXplore (talk) 05:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Is dating someone just because they edit Wikiquote paid editing?

I was wondering if I could go out on a date with someone without it being a violation of the rule against paid editing. I'm assuming not everyone here is single and that those who are in a relationship currently wouldn't be willing to break up with their partner just so they'd be allowed to continue to edit Wikiquote. I mean, how am I even supposed to know if the only reason someone is dating me is because I edit Wikiquote? I would prefer to date someone who sees enough value in this website that they themselves would like to contribute, but I wouldn't want to make it a necessary condition for them having a relationship with me. I would be pretty heartbroken to find out I was being objectified in a relationship just because of one of my attributes, or that someone was getting paid to date me, but there's no guarantee I'd be able to figure it out if they were.
As a follow up question, would mandatory celibacy even be a rule we could officially implement? What about a new rule that excludes editors based off their gender, religion, sexual orientation, ethnicity or some other status that is typically protected against harassment; is that something Wikiquote could technically do, or would Wikimedia object to us promoting blatantly discriminatory values that are contrary to theirs? People often mention that we are not Wikipedia, but just how different from them are we allowed to be? I can't imagine something like that going very well with the media, and although Wikiquote might not get mentioned in the news, Wikimedia is, and it receives a lot of donations that it might not otherwise receive if one of the websites it operates starts discriminating against people. I'm just trying to follow the rules and maybe introduce someone to this cool hobby of mine that everyone here shares, but when the rules are vaguely worded and no one responds to my questions it can be kind of difficult to know what is and isn't allowed. CensoredScribe (talk) 14:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Is this a joke? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

No, it's fear, but I'd settle on Black comedy. Wikiquote may not be very popular, however as several of the pages I've created for the abortion category contain more references than the corresponding Wikipedia pages, it is arguably one of the most comprehensive learning resources available for abortion on the internet as it combines text from both PubMed and Google Books. As such, it is a particularly well curated data set for an LLM. Given this is a civil rights issue and civil rights advocates have a history of being unjustly targeted by both criminal and law enforcement elements, I believe my increased concern is at least somewhat plausible. I'd make for a pretty terrible civil rights activist, but I'm a halfway decent scholar if you'd like to test my knowledge of the subject, not that civil rights has ever really come down to correctly answering test questions. I like editing Wikiquote and would like to continue to do so, I'm aware that what most people consider payment is financial transactions that have to be reported to the IRS as taxable income or gifts, not the amount of food you eat during a sleepover. I've been a bit on edge recently because it's an election year. CensoredScribe (talk) 23:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

My interpretation is that "Paid editing" involves getting money or whatever (a promotion, a date, etc.) in exchange for something you are being asked to do in a wiki project. If you already did some work here because you thought it improved the project, that is not "paid editing," even if some third party decides to reward you for what you have already done. That said, WQ articles are not set up to be a source of balanced or reliable information about Beauty, Truth, Abortion, etc. That's Wikipedia's goal, not something we could easily achieve. Creating a reliable guide to some topic entirely by cobbling together a lot of sourced quotable quotes would be like trying to build the Eiffel Tower out of matchsticks. HouseOfChange (talk) 14:50, 8 May 2024 (UTC)