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Vint Cerf[edit]

My fault; I should have put a note somewhere I was still working on the article. I'm adding three quotes from the same article which is why I made a subsection. Feel free to check what I'm doing and make sure I'm doing it right. Thanks for your help! Alden Loveshade (talk) 18:10, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Ah, no problem. Looks fine with the new additions. ~ UDScott (talk) 19:21, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Jamie McCrimmon[edit]

A page that you have been involved in editing, Jamie McCrimmon, has been listed for deletion. All contributions are appreciated, but it may not satisfy Wikiquote's criteria for inclusion, for the reasons given in the nomination for deletion (see also what Wikiquote is and is not). If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Jamie McCrimmon. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Thank you. CensoredScribe (talk) 18:04, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Reminder about linking to VFD discussions[edit]

As in this situation, if you use a subpage link (/) rather than a section link (#) it will still work after the discussion is archived. ~ Ningauble (talk) 17:05, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Ah, thanks - as always, I am not the most technologically gifted admin around - thanks for the help. ~ UDScott (talk) 13:22, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


Hi - thanks for fixing my references in Ferdinand Lundberg. I was wondering, should I be adding inline quotes using the references template in the same way one would do at Wikipedia? I notice the referencing format is a little different at Wikiquote. DarjeelingTea (talk) 05:00, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes, citations here are different than at Wikipedia. This question comes up so often that perhaps we ought to write a guideline about it, instead of relying on the new article templates to get the point across by example. The draft at WQ:CITE, copied from an old Wikipedia version, is inappropriate and very misleading for describing accepted practice at Wikiquote. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:25, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

The deletions of Finnish authors[edit]

Why the hell have the pages of Samuli Paronen, Väinö Nuorteva and Paavo Haavikko have been deleted! They're very famous authors in Finland and have a lot to say to English readers also. I have no relationship to them. If the translation is poor, I could understand. The references are there... and nobody has translated these before, as far as I know. Many thanks for Mirkka Rekola's edits. She's now the only poet in the category of Finnish poets. --Risto hot sir (talk) 01:44, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello! Could You please please search English translations of Uuno Kailas? He's a very important Finnish poet, one of the best, has influenced even on rock bands! The most notable poems - I think - are "On the playground", "Barefoot" and "Eye Changers". --Risto hot sir (talk) 23:25, 24 March 2017 (UTC) MDD just created the page! --Risto hot sir (talk) 00:03, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
No, sorry I do not have any such translations available to me - and I have many other areas of this project on which I am working. Feel free to provide translated quotes if you are able to find them. ~ UDScott (talk) 11:41, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

David Lindsay[edit]

What quotes were on this page prior to its deletion? Thanks ~ DanielTom (talk) 19:53, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

The following unsourced quotes were listed:
  • 'This year will be more chalk and talk'
  • 'William Churchill...'
  • 'Lets not get ahead of ourselves!'
  • 'Don't jump the gun!'
  • 'There's sillyness, and then there's over-sillyness!'
  • 'Modern History is quite erm.. sexy?'
  • 'I was a bit knackered last night'
  • 'Does anyone know how.. breast?'
  • 'USA today... yesterday'
  • 'Thatcher has very attractive ankles'
  • 'Full stop... Same sentence'
  • 'We were just talking about gangbangs...'
  • 'The Supreme Court ruling in the case of Bore versus Gush... sorry, Bore... Bor-... Gore... versus... Bush!'
  • 'Yes lads ii), never say it to a blind man though.'
  • 'If I were gay...'
  • 'No lads, my cupboard is firmly locked.'
  • 'Interesting story about syphilis...'
  • 'Rich businessmen, er, nearly said bitch there.'
  • '...the Lord Chancellor, Jack Straw. Quick question - who is the Lord Chancellor?'
  • 'Washington, Delaware County.'
  • 'Sectional, not sexual'
I don't see anything worth keeping. ~ UDScott (talk) 01:51, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Polish language[edit]

I was going to create the article Polish language but Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Polish language (your initiation) gave me a jolt. What do you think of the second last para of the following reference:

Basically it talks about which languages (bluelinks here) influenced polish. I can't see the contents of the deleted article but this quote seems decent (and memorable) to me. What are your thoughts on this? Solomon7968 (talk) 07:45, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

That article only contained a few Polish sayings that lacked any sense of being memorable. If you have quotes about the language itself (rather than just "quotes" in Polish), I could see that being made into a page worth keeping. I would say feel free to give it a try. ~ UDScott (talk) 13:00, 11 April 2017 (UTC)


Hello! The Wikiquote editing window underlines the word "Belarusian" with a red wavy line. How can this problem be solved? The word is not recognized as an error in Wikipedia. Yaraslau Zubrytski (talk) 14:57, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

I believe that is actually a sign from your browser (rather than from Wikiquote) that it does not recognize the word - and thus thinks it is misspelled. As it is obviously not wrong, you can just ignore that red line. ~ UDScott (talk) 15:09, 10 June 2017 (UTC)


Hello, now I must really appreciate en-WQ! I wrote some quotations of Vonnegut's Breakfast of Champions to de-WQ, but this is forbidden, 'cause the book is less than 70 years old. I asked: "Isn't it absurd that the Germans have to read in en-Wiki about their own newer literature?". The site is still there, but no answers have I received. Also many sites I've written in fi-WQ have been removed because of the same reason. Still there are quotations of Moomins of Tove Jansson (more than 200 000 bytes). How is this possible and how can You allow new material? I think the publishers are satisfied when good examples of their writers are represented, the folks want to read more. --Risto hot sir (talk) 21:58, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

American Gods[edit]

Hello, why do you keep deleting the new quotes I add to the American Gods (TV Series) page? It's a fantastic show with so many wonderful quotes and they deserve to be put on there. Especially since the show just had it's season finale and there isn't another good location to find quotes from it. I take the quotes directly from the episodes so they are accurate. I see now that you've also locked down the page so it can't be edited anymore. What's the problem? -( 17:22, 6 July 2017 (UTC))

It's not that the quotes are not good or that they are not accurate. It's simply the number of quotes. Per WQ:LOQ, a maximum of 5 quotes per episode for a TV show of this length is permitted. In order to add further quotes, you must first delete others in their place. The quotes we have for those episodes seem to be good to me, which is why I left them and deleted the ones you added. And BTW, I am also a fan of the show and the book upon which it is based (which has its own page as well - see American Gods), and I wish we could have more quotes, but the limits were put in place to avoid copyright issues. Thanks for understanding. ~ UDScott (talk) 17:52, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

The Greatest Showman[edit]

Hello. Why did you delete this article without any discussion? Yes it's an upcoming film and hasn't released yet but those quotes are from the trailer of this movie. CerberaOdollam (talk) 12:31, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

This is standard practice here since there is no way for anyone to verify the quotes - and often quotes from trailers are not in the film when it is finally released. See WQ:CRYSTAL for more on this topic. Once the film is released, feel free to create the page. Thanks. ~ UDScott (talk) 12:39, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

IP vandals[edit]

We've got a serious case of IP addresses (presumably from the same vandal) continuously making vandalism edits by any or all of the following:

1. Adding unneeded emphasis to quotes.
2. Copying/pasting directly from DVD/Blu-Ray subtitles (which are highly unreliable).
3. Adding extra quotes when the article already has enough.
All without explaining their edits in the edit summary.

And on the following articles:

The Shrek series
The Toy Story series
Chicken Run
The Incredibles
A Bug's Life
Monsters, Inc.
Mike's New Car
Alvin and the Chipmunks (film) (adding a line from an episode of SpongeBob SquarePants that is NOT part of the film!)
Aladdin (1992 Disney film)

And I am positive that there will be more victims unless these IP addresses are blocked indefinitely and the articles (not just the ones listed) are protected indefinitely. These vandals will not stop. They keep getting new IP addresses every hour or so. I already reported this fiasco, but I am still awaiting a response. WikiLubber (talk) 18:49, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

I understand you are frustrated, but I'm not so sure that vandalism is the proper word for these edits. When I look at The Incredibles for example, the edits made don't seem to be much of an issue to me. Perhaps there are too many quotes now, but I can find several other quotes that might be removed to allow for the new addition. Just because you disagree with the changes does not mean they are examples of vandalism. I would need a much stronger case to accuse (let alone take action against) one of vandalism. ~ UDScott (talk) 18:59, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
But they clearly copied/pasted from DVD/Blu-Ray subtitles (which are unreliable), and they keep repeating the same edits every day. Plus, nearly every quote they add is far from notable. And they continuously ignore our requests for an explanation as to their edits. WikiLubber (talk) 19:46, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Here is but one of these vandals' edits that they make every day or two. But the way it was before was fine as it was.
("What are you doing in my swamp?!!" > "What are you doing in my swamp? [Echoing] Swamp! Swamp! Swamp!" (a clear-cut copy-paste from DVD/Blu-ray subtitles)) Seriously, Shrek only said "swamp" once in that quote. It was just echoed. But these vandals just pay no heed. WikiLubber (talk) 20:04, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
OK, fair enough. But on the other side, in this edit, I would have left the dialogue bit they added and instead probably removed "Where is my Super Suit?" under Lucious Best as well as "That was totally wicked!!" by Rusty under Other. My point is that there seems to be room for compromise when it comes to content changes. These pages are not your property and perhaps if you were willing to compromise a bit by allowing some new quotes at the expense of others this could all settle down. In the meantime, yes if it's simple edit warring about capitalization or punctuation, this should stop (and I'll try to keep an eye out for this). ~ UDScott (talk) 21:38, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Removing or even changing any of those lines would be an abomination, considering those were among the best lines of the film. WikiLubber (talk) 00:19, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi UDScott[edit]

Hi UDScott, I'm new to Wikiquote, and made I'm a fairly experienced Wikipedian (over 100 articles created). I could not find any notability guidelines for this Wiki, and in general, things seem unclear for this Wiki (maybe this is what Wikipedia was like in 2001!). I would appreciate it if you could point me to useful resources for Wikiquote. Ethanbas (talk) 19:26, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by things are unclear. The help page has all the info needed to edit. In fact, I found it better than Wikipedia.Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 00:25, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Purge Main page[edit]

Hi. Could you or some other admin make nulledit for Main page in order to purge it? Logo has recently been updated (phab:T170722) but old one can still be seen here (I assume it might be because of this but probably it's not because other pages have logo too; however, and are same, and we still see different logo than it is [which is same as but when swapping Main pages of sr.wikiquote and en.wikiquote difference can be seen]). Thanks. --Obsuser (talk) 14:49, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


Even though this user deleted your past edits to his talk page, I left him a message telling him that he really shouldn't be doing that. Shaneymike (talk) 16:29, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


Hello. You seem pretty active on Wikiquote and so I was wondering if you could check up on my recent edits and tell me if I did anything 'wrong' and make suggestions that I can apply. Basically I want to add Haitian proverbs and need to know if I am sourcing them correctly. Best Regards, Bfpage (talk) 20:54, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

The Haitian proverbs page looks pretty good to me. The only exception is the quote listed under 'D' because it does not have a source. That is really the important thing, especially with proverbs. We had issues with some similar pages in the past because they contained many proverbs that were just orally handed down and there was not other source for them. This should be avoided. It looks like most of yours do have a source, which is good. Keep up the good work - and try to find a source that quotes that one that is missing a source. Thanks. ~ UDScott (talk) 01:51, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

This Here is Boss Kean[edit]

This here:

Boss Kean.jpg

is Boss Kean.

This here:

Boss Kean and Luke Jackson.jpg

is Boss Kean delivering the line in the quote.

This here:

is a youtube link to the scene with Boss Kean delivering that very quote.

And this here:

Boss Kean's Ditch.jpg

is Boss Kean's Ditch!

I told him that dirt in it is YOUR dirt!

What's your dirt doing in his ditch?


--TheDoctorX (talk) 03:18, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the illustrations - I realized my error almost immediately and reverted my change. ~ UDScott (talk) 13:26, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

No worries! The Captain will be glad you got your mind right! --TheDoctorX (talk) 14:47, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Sorry if the explanation of the correction on the Discussion Page seemed "harsh." I did not intend it as such. I did not know when you would be back, and sometimes "Edit/Revert/NO! I REVERT YOU!!!" can escalate because of, well, "failure to communicate!" ^^, I hope this had some humor given the subject of the movie and rules and all of that!

Now excuse me, Boss Paul says he found my dirt in Boss Kean's ditch again.

TheDoctorX (talk) 05:51, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

No worries - all is good. We don't have a failure to communicate. :-) ~ UDScott (talk) 12:27, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

My talk[edit]

Thanks for getting rid of that. The account is an abusive sock whose edits you may want to hide. I left a note for stewards, so hopefully the account will be locked soon. Cheers DoRD (talk) 20:10, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Carlo Giovanardi[edit]

Hi UDScott, would please nuke the article above? Basically it's an untraslated copypaste from a text removed from because of multiple violations of BLP policy. --Vituzzu (talk) 10:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes check.svgY Done ~ UDScott (talk) 13:35, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Many-worlds interpretation[edit]

Dear UDScott, on 30 March 2017 / 15:39 you wrote:

"In layman's terms, the hypothesis states there is a very large—perhaps infinite—number of universes, and everything that could possibly have happened in our past, but did not, has occurred in the past of some other universe or universes."

In German WP: Viele Welten Interpretation a user just deleted such statement as "unsourced".

For this reason I ask you: Please can you give me here some hint to some source for this evident matter? Thank you so much, Gerhard --Gerhardvalentin (talk) 16:20, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

As we usually do with pages on Wikiquote, this intro was taken directly from the intro to the Wikipedia page (Many-worlds interpretation). ~ UDScott (talk) 16:38, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for your rapid reply. --Gerhardvalentin (talk) 17:01, 2 September 2017 (UTC)



I see you trimmed away list of people from Delaware from the Delaware page.  That's fine.  Maybe the list of people from Delaware should be its own separate article, and we can simply add a link to it in a to-be-created See also section at the bottom of the Delaware page.

But, I see you also trimmed away the state motto, and I do think that we should consider placing that back on the page.  Firstly, when a state issues an official motto, the words it chooses come directly from the state.  Every other quote on the page is from some historian or fictional character, but the motto is a straight-from-the-state-itself quote.  It probably has more reason to be there than anything else on the page.  Secondly, I used the precedent of film taglines as my means of structuring how I placed the motto on the page.  Thus the structure, at least, was not without precedent.  And, thirdly, the motto is both notable and quotable.

All in all, I think we should re-add the motto to the page.  Your thoughts?

allixpeeke (talk) 21:38, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Two thoughts: first, I still would not create a separate page for the notable people associated with Delaware - to me this kind of thing (while interesting) more properly belongs on Wikipedia than here. Second, I am all for keeping the motto, provided it is sourced somehow. Maybe you could find a work that quotes it or something similar. I just removed it because to me it was an unsourced quote. By the way, I consider Delaware my home state, so I was happy to see it have a page. Thanks ~ UDScott (talk) 12:08, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Although I do feel that lists of links are equally as useful here as they are at Wikipedia, I feel no motivation to create said list, leaving the point moot.  I went ahead and readded the motto, this time with a source.  I also added a snippet from the state song.  All-in-all, I think you'll approve.  Cheers, allixpeeke (talk) 00:08, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
And now I've added two more quotes from music.  allixpeeke (talk) 22:24, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Starr War[edit]

The song is certainly best associated with Starr. Where would you recommend that the line be placed here? DragonflySixtyseven (talk) 20:55, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Well, for this one, there could be two options: put it on a page for the song's writers (as was done with Motown's Holland-Dozier-Holland writing team) with a redirect from Starr's page to it (but I don't know how many other songs the duo wrote that are quotable). A second option (which I would favor) would be to put it on the War page, with reference to both the songwriters and to Starr as the most well known singer of it. But we generally do not quote a song's lyrics on its singer's page unless that singer also wrote it (for example we do not have the lyrics to Blue Suede Shoes on the Elvis Presley page since it was written by Carl Perkins, even though to many the Elvis version is the most well known). ~ UDScott (talk) 23:37, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

question about editing[edit]

Hi, I noticed you edited a page I made. You removed the sentences "Christina Stead was a committed Marxist, although she was never a member of the Communist Party. She spent much of her life outside Australia.". I have no objections to this edit, I'm simply curious what your reasoning is for removing it. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 19:17, 11 October 2017 (UTC) Just A Regular New Yorker

I have no real objection to the information, but it seemed like superfluous information. While there may be more information about a person on their Wikipedia page, we generally tend to keep it short and to the point here, just describing important aspects of what they have done in life. I did include the Category of Communists for her page to preserve that info in that way. ~ UDScott (talk) 19:30, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for answering my question so fast. I think I am very slowly starting to get the hang of this.

I've thought this over and I think the sentences should have been left in. When quoting someone it is important for the reader to know a bit about the person who said the quote. Just saying what the person was isn't enough. I'll add the sentences back. If you really don't want them there you can take them off again and I won't add them back. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 00:31, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Would you be interested in adding years of birth?[edit]

You make good categories so I thought I would let you know that I've created a container category for births, which if you would like to add to the applicable pages could easily give you a couple thousand potential edits. I personally don't like making small edits consisting of typo corrections, citation fixes or adding a category, as I dislike making the history tab longer than it has to be, I regard it as a needless waste of computing power and electricity.
Also thank you for said minor corrections to the pages I've created instead of just deleting the pages for having an unacceptable level of typos which you easily would have been allowed to do. Goodbye, and um...before I go, would you be willing to state just a single edit you thought I made which was a good addition, I don't care if you add a list of bad ones 10 times as long, it just feels sometimes like I can do nothing right, when that's what people tell me, and that sort of makes me feel sad and like a bad person as well as a bad editor. CensoredScribe (talk) 20:18, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

David Dinkins deletion[edit]

I am not protesting the proposed deletion of the article since the reasons you gave are true. I'm curious though why they matter. In the current state, a reader who comes to Wikiquote to read about David Dinkins will find this page and it's quotes. Does it matter that they all come from the same online source?Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 11:15, 26 October 2017 (UTC) Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 11:15, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

The point is that the "source" provided does not qualify as a legitimate source as we define it here. That is merely another quote aggregation site that pulls together quotes that are not sourced. If we kept this, we would simply be propagating unsourced quotes. I am sure that with a person like Dinkins (who is well known and has been a public figure), there will be quotes that can be found that are properly sourced - from newspapers, magazines, TV appearances, etc. This is what we are looking for. For more information, please see WQ:CITE. Thanks. ~ UDScott (talk) 12:34, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for explainingJust A Regular New Yorker (talk) 01:17, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Problem SolvedJust A Regular New Yorker (talk) 16:39, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Possible Edit Warring on Mulan (1998 film) page[edit]

On November 10, 2017, I began some work cleaning up and organizing the Wikiquote page for the 1998 movie Mulan. WikiLubber, another user, came along and reverted it. No explanation at all. Just reverted it. I reverted it right back and continued my work. Then WikiLubber returned and reverted it again, snidely informing me that the page, which was a mess before I got there, was "already clean to begin with" and that in using British English I had "spelled dishonour wrong". I have tried to clean up the page and bring it both to a higher level of quality and to compliance with Wikiquote's LOQ policy. Given that WikiLubber has gone after my work twice on there, I imagine he will be back and I would like someone to be aware and ready to intervene before an edit war starts. --AC9016 (talk) 20:35, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
I took a look and made some minor adjustments (including reverting the spelling of "dishonor" only because it is an American film and thus I used the American spelling). Your trims look fine to me and I will keep an eye out for any edit warring. Thanks ~ UDScott (talk) 22:02, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
Much appreciated. Thank you. --AC9016 (talk) 22:48, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Cuban Missile Crisis[edit]

I strongly object to your deletion of my creation Cuban Missile Crisis. The quote is only tangentially related to the topic Communication you redirected plus I hope others would add more quotes from the huge literature on this important Cold War event. Please revert your deletion and start a new deletion debate if you have strong opinion on this matter. Solomon7968 (talk) 15:23, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

I am actually in the process of recreating the page, with quotes from and about the incident, which I of course agree is historically relevant. My issue with the quote was that although it mentioned the Cuban Missile Crisis by name, the quote was not really about the crisis so much as the lack of communication that manifested during the crisis. But if you feel so strongly about its inclusion, feel free to add it back to the page. ~ UDScott (talk) 15:29, 16 November 2017 (UTC)