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Some IP users are not only trying to mess with me on Wikiquote...[edit]

But it is also doing so on Wikipedia, on an account I abandoned. IP users: (95.172.74.62) (94.14.157.19) (172.56.26.135) (90.192.125.203) (90.194.50.210) (176.26.72.117) (90.194.55.144) I request that all these and all other IPs it uses be blocked indefinitely, and all pages it vandalized and my talk page should be protected indefinitely (or at least for a year).

What I want to know is who is using these IPs, and why is it continuing to unfaithfully undo my good-faith edits without first consulting me? Plus, I want my dormant DawgDeputy page on Wikipedia protected indefinitely from these IPs. WikiLubber (talk) 14:20, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm not exactly sure what I can effectively do at this point (I've been away from WQ for some time during the holidays). It appears that some of these are already blocked and some that are not did not have lot of activity anyway. I do not have any influence on Wikipedia, so I cannot help there either. I will keep an eye on your pages (and those that you frequently edit) so as to combat any future deliberate attacks. Hopefully all has calmed down by now. ~ UDScott (talk) 15:45, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the IPs have learned nothing from their blocks. And they're trying to sabotage by making multiple user accounts: (Mathew Broaderick) (‎TrialOfTheCentury) (Reverted edit by). WikiLubber (talk) 18:03, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
Plus, I do not trust this IP: (90.192.103.28‎). For all we know, it only undoes the user accounts' edits just to make fun of me, then uses this IP to continue sabotaging. WikiLubber (talk) 18:07, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Pensées[edit]

Noticed that you split this article from Blaise Pascal in May 2014, and that the new article did not include the previous section's "History" with the move. I have seen previous splits move the relevant section's history from the original article. Where would I find out how to transfer the section's previous history to the new article? Thanks.

ELApro (talk) 18:09, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I created a separate page for this work, as the author's page had grown unwieldy and there was more than enough material for a separate page. But I am not sure how to extricate the history of a specific section of a page to then include it with the new separate page. I did not move the quotes so much as copy and paste them into a new page - again I am unaware of a method to move portions of a page into a new one (and to include any associated history). If anyone does know how to do this, I would welcome their input. ~ UDScott (talk) 15:28, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
Did some reading at Wikipedia Splitting where they recommend using the Copied Template in the Talk pages and adding "split content to [[article name]]" to the edit summary for documentation. I tried using the "Copied Template" at Ethics (book) Talk and a "Split from Template" at Baruch Spinoza Talk for a split similar to Pensées, but the templates aren't being recognized. They also do not show up in the wikiquote List of all templates, so I posted an inquiry at the Village pump. (ELApro talk) 02:02, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Master (Doctor Who)[edit]

Can you extend the protection time?

Last protection expired on 4th January, and usual edit warring has begin. Until now, no discussion(Talk:Master (Doctor_Who)) has been made by the IP. OccultZone (talk) 17:59, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svgY Done. I extended it three months. ~ UDScott (talk) 18:06, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

America (2014)[edit]

Thanks for your edits here. I deleted some quotes (which I had left hidden) for fear that they'd be too many—even though the film is very long, with lots of dialogue... ~ DanielTom (talk) 15:19, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Block vandal request[edit]

There's a vandal named Alabaster going around pretty much destroying the wiki. Please block him immediately. Look at his edit history and you'll see what I'm talking about. Regards, Illegitimate Barrister 05:36, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Sorry I was not online during this latest attack - but I see that Miszatomic has taken care of the issue. ~ UDScott (talk) 14:04, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Asking socks to self-disclose[edit]

Billinghurst has asked DIFF that the third-party who is a Artículo bueno.svg Confirmed sock connected to accounts Jimmy11234 (talk · contributions) and Gene96 (talk · contributions) to self-disclose their involvement in the socking.

You are one of the accounts that voted before 12:09, 25 January 2015.

I ask that if you are behind the socking of Artículo bueno.svg Confirmed socks Jimmy11234 (talk · contributions) and Gene96 (talk · contributions) to self-disclose please at Wikiquote:Requests_for_adminship/Kalki_(4th_request)#Asking_socks_to_self-disclose.

Thank you,

-- Cirt (talk) 07:17, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Huh? What is it you wish of me? I am confused by this post. ~ UDScott (talk) 13:55, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
  • My reply was a bit facetious, I admit. I am not in any way connected to these accounts, but I am curious as to why this question was even asked - what would lead anyone to believe I was connected? ~ UDScott (talk) 14:24, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Billinghurst is playing the role of the Sphinx in the Checkuser request brought about by sockpuppetry in the RfA at issue. He has told us that one of those who voted is also connected with the sockpuppets, but will not say which, preferring that we puzzle it out ourselves. BD2412 T 14:42, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Thank you, the explanation by BD2412 about Billinghurst is accurate here. And that's why I've asked the third-party sock(s) to self-disclose at the Request for Adminship, on direct recommendation to do so by Billinghurst. Hope that explains things a bit. -- Cirt (talk) 15:43, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

This is an issue that started months ago but still do not have an answer[edit]

Why do you revert some of my edits with rollback? It makes me look like a vandal messing up pages, why can't you use "undo" and give a valid reason as to why you decided to revert my edit instead of rollbacking my edit and making me look like a vandal? --Goldenburg111 15:34, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

In general, you are correct - I tend to use revert often when I am correcting either vandalism or something that seems obvious, and undo when I wish to explain why I am changing something (something I do far less than revert). If you could provide some examples of what you are talking about, I could perhaps comment more directly. I've looked back about three months and do not see any reversions of you rwork, but maybe I am missing it. Thanks. ~ UDScott (talk) 16:50, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Sorry if I seem hasty and all. Anyways I'll provide a few edits soon now since I'm busy on other projects. --Goldenburg111 14:34, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thanks for formatting help at the new page I've created, Psychobabble, much appreciated, -- Cirt (talk) 20:56, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Wikiquote:Requests for adminship/InvisibleSun (inactivity discussion)[edit]

When you have a moment, will you give a proper close to this discussion? It should be done by a 'crat, but I am involved. Cirt already went ahead and had InvisibleSun's rights removed at Meta, which could be reversed if the discussion was deemed not to have actually come out that way. InvisibleSun's own comment sort of moots the point, but this should still be done right. Cheers! BD2412 T 20:42, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Agree with BD2412, and thank you in advance for your assistance in this matter. Unfortunately, InvisibleSun said in addition to his four (4) years of inactivity, he won't be able to come back to active status for another five (5) years. -- Cirt (talk) 20:58, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Request Crat to close 3 discussions[edit]

  1. Wikiquote:Requests for adminship/MosheZadka (inactivity discussion)
  2. Wikiquote:Requests for adminship/Nanobug (inactivity discussion)
  3. Wikiquote:Requests for adminship/Jaxl (inactivity discussion)

(Notifying all Bureaucrats on this site.)

Can you please close these above three discussions?

They've all been open beyond the requisite time period.

Thank you,

-- Cirt (talk) 20:00, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

I request a speedy deletion of my own creations[edit]

Dear UDScott,

I was tired last night when I created this and this, both redirects to lying.  Had I been more awake, I would have noticed that I had not written "liar," but instead "lier" (the latter of which means, according to Wiktionary, "A person or thing that lies, in the sense of being horizontal").

If we had a page for lying down, I would fix my error by simply redirecting both "lier" and "liers" to "lying down," but we have no such page as of yet.  Thus, it appears that the only appropriate solution is for you or one of the other admins to delete these erroneous pages altogether.

My apologies for burdening you with this.  Thank in advance.

Best,
allixpeeke (talk) 15:13, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

  • This is done. Cheers! BD2412 T 18:33, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Manuel Quezon page.[edit]

Hi. Thanks for noticing my page. I am new to Wikiquote so i could use some help. I started that page to try and move the quotes off his Wikipedia page in accordance with Wikipedia's style guide. What is the standard policy on what do with the unsourced quotes? I have looked em all up online and i cant find any sources that aren't dodgy looking blog posts or Wikipedia mirrors on other sites. Thanks in advance for the response and I look forward to being able to make a good quality quote page for the president of the Philippines. —This unsigned comment is by Awnman (talkcontribs) .

The first thing is that any unsourced quotes should not be placed on the page - without sources, the quotes cannot be verified. Usually, when we encounter unsourced quotes, we move them to the talk page, pending sourcing. In the case you mention, where you cannot find reliable sources, I'm afraid they should remain on the talk page. In the past, we used to have sections on the pages for both sourced and unsourced quotes, but this got us into some trouble (and opens the door for quotes that are not genuine to be placed on a page - which is especially troublesome for living people). The best guidance for you in this area is probably Wikiquote:Sourcing, which although not official policy (instead it is still in a proposed state, as we often find that the process for creating official policy takes a long time here, since we have so few dedicated users), still provides a lot of information on the best ways to proceed regarding sourcing the quotes. If all else fails, by all means ask questions - to any admin or if we're not around, just on the Village pump, where anyone with knowledge can help. Welcome and good luck. ~ UDScott (talk) 14:06, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Regarding page: Al-Mutanabbi[edit]

I noticed that you have been editing the newly made page of Al-Mutanabbi;
I would like to thank you and also request further formatting improvements, especially with the Notes and References, with which I lack dexterity.

Again, thank you.

Global auto-block[edit]

Hello. My account was compromised during my absence. Can you indefinitely block my account globally to prevent damage to all sister wiki projects? Thanks for collaborating! --BScMScMD (talk) 04:35, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Ron Kaufman[edit]

This article that you recently {{prod}} as unsourced[1] formerly did include a source citation, before it was removed without explanation in the previous edit which may have been inadvertent. (That said, I am unimpressed by the quotability of these motivational blandishments, and by the author advertisement at Wikipedia – but that is a different matter.) ~ Ningauble (talk) 17:35, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Ah, thank you - for now I removed the PROD tag, since this cancels out my initial objection. I'm still not really convinced of the notability or quotability of this person, but for now I will let it be. ~ UDScott (talk) 17:44, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, well. It might be rather tedious to research whether these pronouncements from a "prolific purveyor of prosaic platitudes" are actually widely quoted by independent sources. At least it would be less tedious now than when the article contained over 2,400 quotes to check! ~ Ningauble (talk) 18:05, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Clemente on WQ (belated emergence from stubhood)[edit]

Greetings, UDScott. Having only discovered it two days ago myself, I appreciate your attention to this so-long neglected page (and, btw, strongly second your Chinatown, Hitchcock, Homeland, FNL, and Gilmore leanings, among others). That being said, speaking strictly as a WQ novice (not to mention possessor of a plethora of well-sourced RC quotes, which will soon be forthcoming), and seeing as how your edit summaries didn't address this point, I'm curious as to whether or not there is a principled objection to - or, for that matter, a hard-&-fast WQ rule against - subdividing each section as I'd done. Looking at it now, I myself have mixed feelings; there's certainly something to be said for having all quotes by a given source in one place. That being said, given both the large number of quotes involved and Clemente's distinctly multi-faceted nature (both as the proverbial 'five-tool' player, and as a player who has become at least as famous for his off-field concerns and activities), I can't help think that those subdivisions - or some version thereof - would prove useful, if not invaluable, to future visitors to this page, whether casual fans or serious researchers. Thanks again for your time (and btw, apropos of both FNL's Katims and Gilmore's Graham, I - and my better half - would respectfully throw the late, lamented Parenthood into the mix) DavidESpeed (talk) 17:19, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments and questions (and of course your shared favorites in film and TV). Basically, such subdivisions have been frowned upon because they can introduce a bit of a POV in the presentation of quotes. While dividing them into subjects might seem like a way to make them more easily digested by a reader, the selection of not only the sections themselves, but where to place quotes within them is inherently subject to the point of view of whomever adds a quote. In most cases, it might seem obvious how a group of quotes should be categorized within a page, but we have seen more than once situations where disputes have arisen regarding such placement. It would be better to let a reader decide what a quote is about, rather than someone else making that decision for the reader. In the end, as we strive to promote a non-POV environment, it has been found to be best to avoid such subdivisions of the quotes. A past discussion related to this topic (which you may wish to read) can be found here. Thanks. ~ UDScott (talk) 18:22, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Hello again. Thanks for laying out your rationale, and for the link. Not sure how the latter relates to the former, though; since the consensus reached there seems to support at least limited use of subdivision. In any case, while I can see the subdivisions within subdivisions that I'd imposed being an issue, I think a simple division of each section here - i.e. Quotes = Baseball-related + Other, & "Quotes about" = As a player + As a person - would prove far more useful than constricting. So unless that 'frown' is prepared to escalate into an outright ban, I'd like to give that a shot. Thanks again DavidESpeed (talk) 03:27, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
No, I guess such a concrete subdivision makes some sense - it is when more abstract concepts are imposed as subsections where the problems arise. Go for it. ~ UDScott (talk) 12:28, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Gracias; I'm on it... I think this'll work; also added ordering instructions for the Quote sections. BTW, apropos of nothing in particular, I've noticed a number of articles employing seemingly arbitrary bits of bolding. Notwithstanding the obvious POV issues, are there in fact WQ guidelines for its accepted use? (e.g. highlighting an excerpt that is itself considerably better known than the full quote?) Thanks again. DavidESpeed (talk) 02:22, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
PS - Two more points:
1) At the risk of ascending to 'mile-taker' status, I've quickly come to the realization that one added level of subdivision seems a no-brainer. This would apply strictly to the "As a player" subdivision (in which the lion's share of yet-to-be-added quotes will reside). Again, NOT anything abstract, but simply a handy categorization of contributors within the section. I'm thinking: Teammates, Opponents, Media, & Other (with the first two encompassing every level of an organization, from owner to ball-person)
2) Apropos of my previous bolding inquiry, it has since occurred to me that a particularly helpful use of boldface would be for the source of each quote, whether article, book, online resource, et al), if only to help provide a quick visual distinction between article and attribution (esp. for this article, in which I dare say both articles and attributions are of above-average-for-WQ length). I think this, too, would help make the whole seem less daunting/more digestible. DavidESpeed (talk) 13:30, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
These are all ideas that should probably be brought into a larger conversation, where other members of the community may comment - I suggest a post on the Village pump with some of your ideas. Some of these style questions (including the idea of bolding sources) would amount to a potential overhaul of many pages, so before straying too far from convention, I suggest such a discussion with other community members. Your enthusiasm is most welcome! My initial reaction to your proposal for an additional subsection is reluctance to see it - I fear that we start down a slippery slope with added subsections where users feel appropriate, but without any consistency in their use across the project (but of course it can be debated at VP, as I am hardly the ultimate "decider" on this site - community consensus drives us here) As to the initial bolding question, this has actually been a point of contention in the past, but has never truly been settled. As such, there is no official policy that prohibits its use to highlight quotes (it is usually done to emphasize well known or particularly pithy quotes, primarily on people or theme pages, but not on film or TV show pages). Thanks again for your contributions. ~ UDScott (talk) 14:20, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Block 70Jack90[edit]

Would you do us all a favor and please block 70Jack90 for its false allegation against me?

Furthermore, it has been undoing all my highly-justified edits and constantly failed to comply with Wikiquote's limitations on quotes.
And now it has become the real sockpuppet, as its other account: 90Jack70, has proven. WikiLubber (talk) 00:15, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

HotCat[edit]

Hello. I think the reason it doesn't work for you is that you haven't got a js file. Is recommend the following:

  • Go to m:MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js.
  • Copy the text it suggests as it is presented there from the word window onwards.
  • Create your own global.js file by pasting that text.
  • After saving the page, purge your cache using whatever method is recommended for your browser on that first Meta page above.
  • Go to any page on WQ that normally has categories and see if it works.
  • If not, throw computer in bin and start a new hobby :) (only kidding)

Green Giant (talk) 02:03, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford[edit]

You created a page for this movie which makes me very excited! Sketchmoose (talk) 21:42, 19 August 2015 (UTC)