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Create new Categories if existing ones get too large[edit]

Hi UDScott I wonder when a category is large enough to create subcategories? Whats the local custom? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 04:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

There really is no hard and fast rule. My personal view is that I do not usually create subcategories until there are more than 5-10 pages within a category. ~ UDScott (talk) 14:25, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Just to let you know I am suggesting a dozen at #shesaid. Ottawahitech (talk) 18:03, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion[edit]

Thanks for the great suggestion at: Wikiquote_talk:SheSaid#Questions_about_images_on_WQ, and sorry for messing up the indents which was probably very confusing. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 18:00, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Shall I move your comment or do you prefer to do it? Ottawahitech (talk) 18:01, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

category: Photo required[edit]

Hi UDScott, I am coming across lots of people who do not have a photo on their WQ page. I was wondering if we already have a category category: Photo required and if not should one be created? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 18:08, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand the rationale behind the question - why do you feel that a photo is required in the first place? This kind of requirement has never been in place as far as I know. Users are free to do so, but I don't think we want to mandate it. ~ UDScott (talk) 18:25, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
There are lots of reasons to include a person's photo with a page about them. One of the reasons is that it would help those users who are adding women to category:Women quickly determine if the page subject is a man or a woman. This is not always as easy as one would think because someone's name may not be enough. For example even when it is a familiar language, there are people who have a name such as Valerie which can be man's or a woman's name. sorry for the messy reply. Ottawahitech (talk) 20:38, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
OK, but there may be many users who do not wish to have their photo online or to reveal their gender (or anything else about themselves). And as it is not a requirement of this project, I fail to see how it could be enforced (nor why it should be). I get why it might be helpful in some small way, but not why it is something that we would want to make mandatory. ~ UDScott (talk) 20:46, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Creating a category aking for a photo is hardly mandating adding a photo. Usually unless the photo exists on Commons it would not be added, I think? But I see your point and have to think about it some more. Ottawahitech (talk) 21:16, 27 January 2021 (UTC) BTW enwiki has/(had?) this cat. Ottawahitech (talk) 21:17, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Another BTW just to make sure we are talking about the same thing: I did not mean a photo of users, I meant a photo of notable subjects. For example Susan M. Watkins. Ottawahitech (talk) 21:26, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Ah, yes I was thinking you meant a user photo. But as to having a photo of a notable figure, that's fine. But again, not everyone wants to have an image on their page - but in the end, I'm neutral on it. ~ UDScott (talk) 21:35, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Edit war over the “Revenge of the Sith” page[edit]

This user, Christian M. (2016), is currently engaged in an edit war with another user, Eaglestorm, over the Revenge of the Sith page. Here is the history of how the war started:

https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Wars:_Episode_III_–_Revenge_of_the_Sith&action=history

This time, Christian M. (2016) has gone too far with this war. So could you please banish him from Wikiquote as soon as possible and the war can finally come to an end? AdamDeanHall (talk) 03:21, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Helping at WQ?[edit]

"Where would be a good place for someone who has a ton of experience on the English Wikipedia but pretty much zero experience a Wikiquote to help out?" Your opinion? Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 18:06, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Saṃyutta Nikāya[edit]

Hi UDScott,

Could you please take a look at Talk:Saṃyutta Nikāya, please? Thanks in advance. --Wiki13 (talk) 12:52, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

OK, I've looked. What are you expecting from me? ~ UDScott (talk) 12:58, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Well, I'm looking for a deletion and a protection from non-autoconfirmed users being able to create it. There is a LTA targeting the page, unfortunately. --Wiki13 (talk) 13:05, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
OK, got it. Keeping an eye on it (including other pages being recreated with the same content). ~ UDScott (talk) 13:09, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Merging into Impeachment of Donald Trump[edit]

Regarding the {mergeto|Impeachment of Donald Trump} tag at the top of the page of Second impeachment trial of Donald Trump, I can understand your desire to provoke discussion, but are Wikiquote articles presented for editors or for the reading public? I'm sure this is the wrong forum for this discussion, and since I am not disposed to debate, my complaint will surely be overruled, but I can only assume that editors could easily [control-end key] to the bottom of a page, search the "Category:Articles to be merged," or read the article, in their search to find problems that they can work to resolve; as opposed to placing hideous, repulsive, unattractive, uncomely, and unsightly warning images at the top of the screen, which no ordinary reader (customer) would desire, as a distraction from the article itself. ELApro (talk) 21:27, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

While I understand that you object to the appearance such a tag provides to a given page, convention has always placed these and other tags (stub tags for example) at the top of the page so as to make them more visible to users (and to spur some action or discussion, as I suggested in this case). This is even mentioned in the guideline regarding stubs (Wikiquote:Stub). I get that it may not be seen as the most attractive way to present a page by some, including you, but I would also maintain that the nature of a wiki is not to present a polished finished product, but rather to encourage participation by its community in maintaining the quality of what is presented. As such, I consider it important to highlight when there are discussions or work needed on a given page (and might I add, we have a strong need for more participation by users to address the many problematic pages or join ongoing discussions we have here). If you still disagree, feel free to raise the concern to the larger community or start a discussion on how the placement of tags might be improved. I, for one, do not find them as objectionable as you and believe their placement at the top of a page serves a purpose. Cheers. ~ UDScott (talk) 21:42, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi[edit]

How is your day, today? 152.26.199.24 17:54, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Just fine. Thanks for asking. ~ UDScott (talk) 18:29, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Archive[edit]

Hi. Can the old reports of Wikiquote:Vandalism_in_progress be archived so it's easier for users to report and see new incidents? Thanks.-GalaxyPage (talk) 21:43, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes check.svgY Done ~ UDScott (talk) 13:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Race[edit]

Hi, I stumbled across Race which seems to have changed meaning on WQ around 2015-2016 from race (biology) to race (competition). Unfortunately it appears that something got muddled somehow according to an edit I saw in Fascism that changed Race to Race. Do you know anything about the history of this article on WQ? do we still have the old version of Race somewhere. I am trying to disambiguate this and having trouble.

No hurry whenever you have the time. Thanks, Ottawahitech (talk) 01:13, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

No, I was not aware of this change, which appears to have been made here: [1]. The earlier versions are there in the history of the page and can be used to adjust the page as needed. ~ UDScott (talk) 13:33, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

George Orwell 1984 misquotes[edit]

I made edits to the 1984 misquotes and drew directly from his text to correct the misquotations. I answered each misquote in a line-by-line fashion and the quotes I drew were accurate to the word. I observed you reverted the changes I made to the misquoted version. Those quotes in the reverted version are not from the original text and do not belong in an official citing of George Orwell's 1984. - —This unsigned comment is by Johnwinstondarby (talkcontribs) .

The problem is that the edits you made were to the page for the film, not the book. As such, any quotes taken from the text are not appropriate for that page. While the film is based on the novel, it is certainly possible that its writer altered some of the quotes. If you feel the quotes on the page for the book are incorrect, it should be addressed on that page, rather than the film's page. ~ UDScott (talk) 13:53, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Attack pages[edit]

Hi UDScott I know you are busy, but in case you have the time you may be interested in D:Wikidata_talk:Universal_Code_of_Conduct_consultation#Can_we_have_a_universal_no-attack-pages_rule?. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:57, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

General UDScott:[edit]

Years ago (2008), you served my father the Post-Cyberpunk fiction genre by administering an Orderly Partition of the bloated Neal Stephenson page, creating separate homes for several of the Bald Bard's novels, now we beg you to advise us in our struggle against the Empire bloat of William Gibson quotes, which I admittedly set into motion. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, General Scott; you’re my only hope. Bridgman (talk) 15:25, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

In plain language: do you think parts of William Gibson should be spun off, possibly with each trilogy of his novels getting a separate page, or is it still a manageable size? (Sprawl trilogy, Bridge trilogy, Blue Ant trilogy, Jackpot trilogy.) Bridgman (talk) 15:25, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Also, the main Neal Stephenson WQ page, has grown larger over the years, but not nearly as large as it was when it included quotes from Snow Crash, The Diamond Age, Cryptonomicon and the The Baroque Cycle. If it has become too large again, I would be glad to assist in transferring quotes to any new pages set up for novels published since our last correspondence, which include Anathem, Reamde [not a typo], Seveneves, The Rise and Fall of D.O.D.O., and Fall; or, Dodge in Hell. Bridgman (talk) 15:25, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I would agree that both of these pages have grown quite long - and appear to be ripe for splitting out some of the quotes for individual works. I just did similar for a few works from Cormac McCarthy just yesterday. Feel free to make similar changes to these pages and pull out quotes into new pages for the individual works. ~ UDScott (talk) 15:57, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Thanks! I'm in the process of "hiving" the William Gibson page now. So far, I've created a page for the Sprawl trilogy. Once I've copied the content of the other 3 trilogies into their respective pages, I will remove the original instances of the quotes I'm copying. That will leave the William Gibson WQ page lean and mean, but there's still a lot of material to mine from more of his short stories and all of his magazine articles. Bridgman (talk) 23:41, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Searches for "Count Zero" and "Neuromancer" redirect to "William Gibson." None of the other WG novels have those redirects and none of the trilogy titles for that matter...I'm a little rusty on adjusting redirects. Bridgman (talk) 21:17, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
No problem - I've adjusted (and added new) redirects to point to the appropriate trilogy page. ~ UDScott (talk) 12:51, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Adding information on Numberphile[edit]

Dear UD Scott, I just created the page Numberphile. I've just added two quotes of James Grime on the video that is listed in the article. My task for you is to find more Numberphile videos and paraphrase their sayings onto the article. Please make a new section under the Quotes section of the page when you a=start a new video. Then you find words in the video and paraphrase them under the L3 section under the Quotes section. Rockstar Arianagrande (talk) 18:45, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Please delete the page Category:YouTube channels because it is empty. The page Numberphile got removed from that category. Rockstar Arianagrande (talk) 18:51, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
No, I added that cat back to the page. And I've added an intro and some formatting to the page - but I doubt I'll be able to watch it and cull more quotes from it. Good luck with the page though. ~ UDScott (talk) 18:54, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
When will you find more videos on this channel add more quotes to the page Numberphile? Rockstar Arianagrande (talk) 18:57, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
As I said, I likely will not be able to watch the channel and find additional quotes. My limited time on the site is usually spent on many other pages and issues and unfortunately I cannot commit to working on this page. But again, good luck with it. ~ UDScott (talk) 19:10, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Please check my Numberphile article again to see what I have done and you can ask someone else to add more quotes. Rockstar Arianagrande (talk) 23:34, 26 March 2021 (UTC)