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Welcome, newcomers and baffled oldtimers! This is the place if you (a) have a question about Wikiquote and how it works or (b) a suggestion for improving Wikiquote. Just click the link above "create a new topic", and then you can place your submission at the bottom of the list, and someone will attempt to answer it for you. (If you have a question about who said what, go to the reference desk instead.)

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Confirmed Board Election Candidates[edit]

Hi everyone,

The 2021 Board of Trustees election opens 4 August 2021. Candidates from the community were asked to submit their candidacy. After a three week long call for candidates, there are 20 candidates for the 2021 election.

The Wikimedia movement has the opportunity to vote for the selection of community-and-affiliate trustees. The Board is expected to select the four most voted candidates to serve as trustees. Voting closes 17 August 2021.

The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's operations. The Board wants to improve their competences and diversity as a team. They have shared the areas of expertise that they are currently missing and hope to cover with new trustees.

How can you get involved? Learn more about candidates. Organize campaign activities. Vote.

Read the full announcement.

Best,

The Elections Committee

Zuz (WMF) (talk) 16:36, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Universal Code of Conduct News – Issue 2[edit]

Universal Code of Conduct News
Issue 2, July 2021Read the full newsletter


Welcome to the second issue of Universal Code of Conduct News! This newsletter will help Wikimedians stay involved with the development of the new code and will distribute relevant news, research, and upcoming events related to the UCoC.

If you haven’t already, please remember to subscribe here if you would like to be notified about future editions of the newsletter, and also leave your username here if you’d like to be contacted to help with translations in the future.

  • Enforcement Draft Guidelines Review - Initial meetings of the drafting committee have helped to connect and align key topics on enforcement, while highlighting prior research around existing processes and gaps within our movement. (continue reading)
  • Targets of Harassment Research - To support the drafting committee, the Wikimedia Foundation has conducted a research project focused on experiences of harassment on Wikimedia projects. (continue reading)
  • Functionaries’ Consultation - Since June, Functionaries from across the various wikis have been meeting to discuss what the future will look like in a global context with the UCoC. (continue reading)
  • Roundtable Discussions - The UCoC facilitation team once again, hosted another roundtable discussion, this time for Korean-speaking community members and participants of other ESEAP projects to discuss the enforcement of the UCoC. (continue reading)
  • Early Adoption of UCoC by Communities - Since its ratification by the Board in February 2021, situations whereby UCoC is being adopted and applied within the Wikimedia community have grown. (continue reading)
  • New Timeline for the Interim Trust & Safety Case Review Committee - The CRC was originally expected to conclude by July 1. However, with the UCoC now expected to be in development until December, the timeline for the CRC has also changed. (continue reading)
  • Wikimania - The UCoC team is planning to hold a moderated discussion featuring representatives across the movement during Wikimania 2021. It also plans to have a presence at the conference’s Community Village. (continue reading)
  • Diff blogs - Check out the most recent publications about the UCoC on Wikimedia Diff blog. (continue reading)

Thanks for reading - we welcome feedback about this newsletter. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 02:53, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pages with template loops[edit]

I noticed there are thousands of articles in Category:Pages with template loops. How are these fixed? Cheers. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 19:19, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like it's {{Italic title}}. Let me see if I can fix it. —Justin (koavf)TCM 19:25, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The problem appears to have been vandalism to the underlying {{Str ≤ len}} template, which was been reverted and protected. Although {{Italic title}} now appears to work correctly, it will take a while for the maintenance category to refresh. ~ Ningauble (talk) 23:29, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So it seems we are again having an issue here (that is again causing a problem with the {{Italic title}}). Anyone know what the problem is this time? ~ UDScott (talk) 15:04, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This time it was vandalism to the underlying {{Str len/core}} template, which was been reverted (same vandal) and protected. Hint: When inexplicable template failures occur, check recent changes in the Template namespace for changes to related templates. (I still think unregistered/unconfirmed users should not be allowed to edit templates.) ~ Ningauble (talk) 20:26, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No central discussion on the Romanian Wikiquote?[edit]

Hello. On the community space of the Romanian WQ, I found no equivalent to a central discussion page. Is it simply me not being able to find it, or is there no central discussion page on the Romanian WQ? Veverve (talk) 00:12, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Veverve: Per d:Q16503, it's located at q:ro:Wikicitat:Cafenea. —Justin (koavf)TCM 00:34, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thisarana Arama[edit]

Thisarana Arama has been deleted and salted on Wikipedia. The current Wikiquote article appears to primarily be an advertisement. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 14:09, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - and I've proposed its deletion. ~ UDScott (talk) 18:01, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Call for Candidates for the Movement Charter Drafting Committee[edit]

Movement Strategy announces the Call for Candidates for the Movement Charter Drafting Committee. The Call opens August 2, 2021 and closes September 1, 2021.

This Committee will have around 15 members. It is expected to represent diversity in the Movement. Diversity includes gender, language, geography, and experience. This comprises participation in projects, affiliates, and the Wikimedia Foundation. You can read the full announcement here.

Will you help move Wikimedia forward in this important role? Submit your candidacy starting from next week here. Please contact strategy2030wikimedia.org with questions. Best,Zuz (WMF) (talk) 13:00, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Board Elections Postponed Until August 18th[edit]

Hello, all.

As you know, the Board election was due to open on August 4th. Due to some technical issues with SecurePoll, the election must be delayed by two weeks. This means we plan to launch the election on August 18th, which is the day after Wikimania concludes.

For information on the technical issues, you can see the Phabricator ticket here.

You can also read this announcement in other languages here.

We are truly sorry for this delay and hope that we will get back on schedule on August 18th. We are in touch with the Elections Committee and the candidates to coordinate next steps. We will update the Board election Talk page and this channel as we know more. Best, Zuz (WMF) (talk) 09:36, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Read-only tomorrow[edit]

Hello!

A maintenance operation will be performed tomorrow, Tuesday 10th August, at 05:00 UTC.

It will impact 17 wikis, and is supposed to last a few minutes. During this time, saving edits will not be possible. For more details about the operation, please check on Phabricator.

A banner will be displayed 30 minutes before the operation.

Please help making your community aware of this. Thank you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) 02:02, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Dispute at Mahabharata[edit]

https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Mahabharata&type=revision&diff=2995797&oldid=2995749 2001:569:BF08:2200:5494:E242:6F06:BB0B 02:43, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You provided no edit summaries explaining your edits. You have not started a conversation on the discussion page to work with the reverting editors to resolve their concerns. Coming to Village Pump is premature. See this Wikipedia article for a step-by-step guide to resolving edit disputes. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 15:38, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Butwhatdoiknow. Also I did provide explanation on my second revision. I will make a post on the discussion page. Note different IP but I am the original poster in this thread 209.52.88.161 17:12, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Request for comment notification[edit]

Here is a link to a RFC on Meta concerning all Wikimedia projects. Lionel Scheepmans (talk) 23:17, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Universal Code of Conduct - Enforcement draft guidelines review[edit]

The Universal Code of Conduct Phase 2 drafting committee would like comments about the enforcement draft guidelines for the Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC). This review period is planned for 17 August 2021 through 17 October 2021.

These guidelines are not final but you can help move the progress forward. The committee will revise the guidelines based upon community input.

Comments can be shared in any language on the draft review talk page and multiple other venues. Community members are encouraged to organize conversations in their communities.

There are planned live discussions about the UCoC enforcement draft guidelines:

Wikimania 2021 session - 16 August @ 11:00 UTC - 11:45 UTC

Conversation hours - 24 August, 31 August, 7 September @ 03:00 UTC & 14:00 UTC

Roundtable calls - 18 September @ 03:00 UTC & 15:00 UTC Summaries of discussions will be posted every two weeks here.

Please let me know if you have any questions. Best, Zuz (WMF) (talk) 19:23, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2021 Voting Opens[edit]

Voting for the 2021 Board of Trustees election is now open. Candidates from the community were asked to submit their candidacy. After a three week long Call for Candidates, there are 19 candidates for the 2021 election.

The Wikimedia movement has the opportunity to vote for the selection of community-and-affiliate trustees. By voting, you will help to identify those people who have the qualities to best serve the needs of the movement for the next several years. The Board is expected to select the four most voted candidates to serve as trustees. Voting closes 31 August 2021.

The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's operations. The Board wants to improve their competences and diversity as a team. They have shared the areas of expertise that they are currently missing and hope to cover with new trustees.

Learn more about candidates. Learn about the Board of Trustees. Vote.

Read the full announcement.

Best, Zuz (WMF) (talk) 07:10, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again[edit]

Just I would like to say you all "hello", I'm back. I was remote from all Wikimedia related activities almost a decade due to health reasons, and need to catch up things at any range. Now I just want to say I'm very happy to see Recentchanges fairly busy with both names both familiar and new to me. Happy quoting and see you later. --Aphaia (talk) 14:02, 19 August 2021 (UTC) fully vaccinated[reply]

Welcome back! And I am happy to hear that you are doing better. It's nice to see a familiar name from when I first joined this community. Cheers! ~ UDScott (talk)

Template:Citation - disrupted?[edit]

Hi, I was looking for citation templates to use within Wikiquote, and I came across this: Template:Citation. This page is confusing -- the content does not seem to match the title. Am I confused or is there something actually wrong with it? Could someone who is more experienced in Wikiquote take a look? Thank you. Al83tito (talk) 00:37, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thank you for your bringing this to our attention. Oh. My. It's a mess indeed. It must not be represented as such. Apparently something or more go wrong. Saddened, I can't figure it out. The lemma looks italicized mistakenly, a certain article is shown but oddly its article name isn't detected through search. Weird. Can anyone have a clue? Thanks. --Aphaia (talk) 03:30, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes check.svgY Fixed. It was vandalism to the underlying {{Documentation/end box}} template, now reverted and protected. This has become a familiar recurring pattern of vandalism. (Hint: When inexplicable template failures occur, check recent changes in the Template namespace for changes to related templates.) And, welcome back. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:52, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you both for your quick action! Al83tito (talk) 22:41, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Japanese poets or Risto hot sir created articles[edit]

Hello, I'd like to ask you guys opinions how to deal with those articles in Japanese poets created by Risto hot sir who is now globally banned as cross wiki abuser. After giving a look to one third of those articles, I think I've got clues enough share with other editors for further considerations. Hope the below works food of thought of you.

At this moment my overview is "some should survive and be expanded, if they are no copyright infringement. The other might not be hoaxed but too obscure for us to expand and thus it is dubious if we would like them to keep as quotable quotes". Let me explain my concerns further:

Sorry for first, my response has come very late, which was raised in 2018 on my talk, as copied as below

Risto hot sir has requested that I ask the community about what should be done regarding the numerous articles listed under Category:Japanese poets. You will know what I mean after you read a few and start to see the trend. They are all a possible copyright violation, they are all of non-notable people who don't even have a Wikipedia article, they are all from one source and they all clog up this category. You can read more about this here, here, here, and here. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 01:16, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Scanning about ten of them, I tend to agree with JARNY but there are some differences between us, let us follow his standpoints,

  • "They are all a possible copyright violation": they could be so, specially "quotes about THE AUTHOR" smell not nicely.
  • "they are all of non-notable people who don't even have a Wikipedia article": we say happily no. Not only some of them are notable, but also some of them have their own Wikipedia articles, not only on Japanese Wikipedia, but also on English Wikipedia (e.g. Fukuda Chiyo-ni, she is actually a notable female poet, whose article had been on ENWP before the ENWQ article was created).
  • "they are all from one source": It is a concern indeed, specially in the circumstance we don't know how much amount of the original the cited quotes are taken. I am personally optimistic, but having no copy of the cited book, we cannot determine they are permissible as fair use.
  • "and they all clog up this category.": again a contend based concern, not legal one. We could relax here ... and here I strongly concur with JARNY. Even at this moment, with ten reviewed articles, I found only one genuine poets (whose main notability stands on their poetry), Fukuda Chiyo-ni among their creations. Others are, even if they are somehow notable, known as of their different occupations, and might recite poems occasionally. We have no clues if those lines are just a part of their enormous poetical works or one and all known their poetry in their entire lives. Since death poems were a century-long tradition in Japan, reciting a notable death poem doesn't mean they were known as poets. For example, imagine a a WW2 field general left a death poem and these verse has been notable, but it isn't same he regularly made poetry, nor he has been considered as a poet and military personnel, not mere a serviceman.

I tend to like keep some "notable" authors' articles though, still copyvio possibilities are concerns. Also on some minor authors. Some of those Japanese haven't been found in reliable sources like Japan National Diet Library Database, "Web authorities", which means they might have left no writings in Japanese. They seems not to be hoaxes, as cited quotes, but I think we should take this possibility into account: creating a hoax mixed with real genuine material is a well known modus operandi, and I have known some young and immature editors had done so even from their good will across Wikimedia project.

Risto hot sir's creation is not limited to Japanese poets, and I hope we will be able to build a paradigm, or if the community has known such already, please let me share :) Cheers, --Aphaia (talk) 08:40, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The 2022 Community Wishlist Survey will happen in January[edit]

SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 00:23, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2021 Wikimedia Board of Trustees Election Result[edit]

Thank you to everyone who participated in the 2021 Board election. The Elections Committee has reviewed the votes of the 2021 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election, organized to select four new trustees. A record 6,873 people from across 214 projects cast their valid votes. The following four candidates received the most support:

While these candidates have been ranked through the community vote, they are not yet appointed to the Board of Trustees. They still need to pass a successful background check and meet the qualifications outlined in the Bylaws. The Board has set a tentative date to appoint new trustees at the end of this month.

Read the full announcement here. Best, Zuz (WMF) (talk) 10:29, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Call for Candidates for the Movement Charter Drafting Committee ending 14 September 2021[edit]

Movement Strategy announces the Call for Candidates for the Movement Charter Drafting Committee. The Call opens August 2, 2021 and closes September 14, 2021.

The Committee is expected to represent diversity in the Movement. Diversity includes gender, language, geography, and experience. This comprises participation in projects, affiliates, and the Wikimedia Foundation.

English fluency is not required to become a member. If needed, translation and interpretation support is provided. Members will receive an allowance to offset participation costs. It is US$100 every two months.

We are looking for people who have some of the following skills:

  • Know how to write collaboratively. (demonstrated experience is a plus)
  • Are ready to find compromises.
  • Focus on inclusion and diversity.
  • Have knowledge of community consultations.
  • Have intercultural communication experience.
  • Have governance or organization experience in non-profits or communities.
  • Have experience negotiating with different parties.

The Committee is expected to start with 15 people. If there are 20 or more candidates, a mixed election and selection process will happen. If there are 19 or fewer candidates, then the process of selection without election takes place.

Will you help move Wikimedia forward in this important role? Submit your candidacy here. Please contact strategy2030(_AT_)wikimedia.org with questions.


This message may have been sent previously - please note that the deadline for candidate submissions was extended and candidacies are still being accepted until 14 September 2021. Xeno (WMF) 17:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Server switch[edit]

SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 00:46, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Talk to the Community Tech[edit]

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Hello!

As we have recently announced, we, the team working on the Community Wishlist Survey, would like to invite you to an online meeting with us. It will take place on September 15th, 23:00 UTC on Zoom, and will last an hour. Click here to join.

Agenda

Format

The meeting will not be recorded or streamed. Notes without attribution will be taken and published on Meta-Wiki. The presentation (first three points in the agenda) will be given in English.

We can answer questions asked in English, French, Polish, and Spanish. If you would like to ask questions in advance, add them on the Community Wishlist Survey talk page or send to sgrabarczuk@wikimedia.org.

Natalia Rodriguez (the Community Tech manager) will be hosting this meeting.

Invitation link

See you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 03:04, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Announcement of Major Resource for Quotation-Checking[edit]

I hope I will be forgiven a "shameless plug" that should be significantly helpful to Wikiquote participants. My book, The New Yale Book of Quotations, has just been published by Yale University Press. This is, at the least, a quotation resource on a par with the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations and Bartlett's Familiar Quotations, and it arguably surpasses those books in accuracy and thoroughness. Fred Shapiro —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.36.7.38 (talk) 20:35, 12 September 2021‎

Extensive dialogue from television series[edit]

I'm not sure if Jonas (TV series) fits the requirements for Wikiquote, it seems to me unlikely that this amount of dialogue is "quotable" in the usual sense, though doubtless there exist fans who can recite the entire series by heart. I would be grateful if a regular could take a look. Rich Farmbrough (talk) 13:04, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are right - there should only be 2 quotes per episode for a TV show of this length. ~ UDScott (talk) 15:44, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Movement Charter Drafting Committee - Community Elections to take place October 11 - 24[edit]

This is a short message with an update from the Movement Charter process. The call for candidates for the Drafting Committee closed September 14, and we got a diverse range of candidates. The committee will consist of 15 members, and those will be (s)elected via three different ways.

The 15 member committee will be selected with a 3-step process:

  • Election process for project communities to elect 7 members of the committee.
  • Selection process for affiliates to select 6 members of the committee.
  • Wikimedia Foundation process to appoint 2 members of the committee.

The community elections will take place between October 11 and October 24. The other process will take place in parallel, so that all processes will be concluded by November 1.

We are very happy about the wide range of diverse Wikimedians that are running for the election and selection processes for the drafting committee of the Movement Charter! As the number of candidates is quite large and thus informing yourself about them might be a bit more complicated, we want to try something different this time: We want to organize a so-called “Voting Advice Application (or “Election Compass) with statements related to the Movement Charter. All candidates can propose their statements here.

For the full context of the Movement Charter, its role, as well the process for its creation, please have a look at Meta. You can also contact us at any time on Telegram or via email (wikimedia2030@wikimedia.org). Best, Zuz (WMF) (talk) 10:36, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Suraj Sani, self-promotion[edit]

Suraj Sani was proposed for deletion, but Prod was removed in this edit. The page looks like self-promotion. --MKFI (talk) 06:06, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for bringing it up. Recognized prod contested, so it failed. On the other hand, on your concerns on self-promotion it falls on our speedy deletion categories (WQ:SD#Articles 4. "Unremarkable subject"). So I'm about to speedy it. The user who created and contested prod seems to have done no other activities than his self-promotion examining on global contribution log (upload photo and create this article and some similar activities on sister projects). --Aphaia (talk) 07:55, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Benjamin Creme[edit]

I stumbled across this page. The second sentence reads: "He played a central role in making known the fact of the emergence of the World Teacher, Maitreya, and the Spiritual Hierarchy of Masters into the world." Do we have any reliable sources for these being widely accepted facts? - —This unsigned comment is by Slimy asparagus (talkcontribs) .

A good point - I've removed the statement and left the intro in a more neutral form. ~ UDScott (talk) 14:04, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extraterrestrial life[edit]

I really know nothing of Wikiquote policies, but this page seems off to me. I came here looking for a range of views on the existence of extra-terrestrial life. Even amongst Scientists there is no agreement so I was expecting differing views. I was also expecting some fringe views, but I feel that they have disproportionate representation on this page. I collected stats here:

Benjamin Creme 7 George Adamski & Desmond Leslie 5 Gerard Aartsen 5 Stanley Kubrick 4 Carl Sagan 2 Gene Roddenberry 2 Paul Hellyer 2 Arthur C. Clarke 1 Bill Watterson 1 Christiaan Huygens 1 Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. 1 Dr. Steven Greer 1 Ellen DeGeneres 1 Eric Idle 1 Felicia Hemans 1 Gillian Anderson 1 Guy Consolmagno Vatican Astronomer 1 H.G. Wells 1 Harry Harrison 1 Isaac Newton 1 Johannes Kepler 1 Joss Whedon 1 Konstantin Tsiolkovsky 1 Lewis Thomas 1 Murray Gell-Mann 1 Orson Welles 1 Pope Francis 1 Robert Salas 1 Rod Serling 1 Ronald Reagan 1 Wernher von Braun 1 Slimy asparagus (talk) 13:48, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, the authors and quotes' number seem disproportionate for me too. I don't have a copy now though, but Giordano Bruno must have said something on this theme IIRC ... anyway you are welcome to improve it. Be bold. --Aphaia (talk) 09:40, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Appendices?[edit]

I was just wondering if WQ has an appendix namespace/feature like Wiktionary does? I just started the passport page, and one of the versions of the US passport has a quote per page on most of the pages. It doesn't really fit in that theme article since the quotes aren't about passports, merely contained in one; but it feels like they should be collected in one place (even if they are also osmoted to relevant theme and author pages where appropriate). I thought they were of interest to the project for two reasons: they are in an official government document, and those usually tend to not be so literary-minded; and some of them are abbreviated in a way that changes their context and therefore meaning. We are free to give a fuller context here (I'll note that some are from PD sources due to age, and others copyrighted ones, but none need be so long that we would be leaning on the limits of fair use as are commonly observed in the project). A few years ago I started a count of how many quotes the passport had at User:Arlo Barnes/Passport, but the edit that added sourcing was lost and would need to be redone in preparation for making the page -- if there is indeed a place for it. Arlo Barnes (talk) 10:19, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

At this moment WQ has no appendix namespace. You can check it on RecentChanges search filter easily. I have no strong opinion if we should do so or not, but at the first glance, it may fit WS more to archive an entire document? --Aphaia (talk) 00:47, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As a federal document, it should be PD; so scanning it, redacting the parts I wouldn't want known to the world (:P) and uploading to Commons, then starting a transcription project at en-WS seems like a good idea; but that still leaves listing the 'expanded' quotes somewhere. Maybe I'll find a wikibook where it fits, or if nothing else keep it in my userspace here. Thanks. Arlo Barnes (talk) 23:18, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alleged quotation by Philippe_Pétain[edit]

There's a bit of a mystery surrounding this alleged quotation by Philippe Pétain, former WWI hero and leader of Vichy France, while in enforced exile at Sigmaringen:

I am and remain morally your leader.
    Je suis et demeure moralement votre chef.

This quotation is not currently in Wikiquote, which is probably for the best (but could start out in a 'possibly misattributed' section).

Four articles at en-wiki (and a few at fr-wiki) contain this alleged quotation by Pétain. It has been present at fr-wiki since an IP added it without a source in 2006; since then, it spread to four articles at en-wiki (by me; self-reverted for lack of verifiability). Three published books in French contain the quotation; none came out before 2018, and some have language very close to the 2006 fr-wiki article. If authentic, this would be a striking quotation by Pétain that should be added to Wikiquote, but I'm still searching for a solid citation to it. A detailed explanation of this situation can be found at w:Talk:Philippe Pétain; and additional background can be found at the Wikipedia Resource Exchange. Interested parties are welcome to have a look, and quotation detectives are especially invited to contribute. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 18:30, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Let's talk about the Desktop Improvements[edit]

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Hello!

Have you noticed that some wikis have a different desktop interface? Are you curious about the next steps? Maybe you have questions or ideas regarding the design or technical matters?

Join an online meeting with the team working on the Desktop Improvements! It will take place on October 12th, 16:00 UTC on Zoom. It will last an hour. Click here to join.

Agenda

  • Update on the recent developments
  • Sticky header - presentation of the demo version
  • Questions and answers, discussion

Format

The meeting will not be recorded or streamed. Notes will be taken in a Google Docs file. The presentation part (first two points in the agenda) will be given in English.

We can answer questions asked in English, French, Polish, and Spanish. If you would like to ask questions in advance, add them on the talk page or send them to sgrabarczuk@wikimedia.org.

Olga Vasileva (the team manager) will be hosting this meeting.

Invitation link

We hope to see you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) 15:09, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]