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Women categories on WQ[edit]

If you would like to help with building categories for women articles please join the discussion at: Category_talk:Women#WP:Ghetto. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 01:21, 23 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Are images important on WQ pages[edit]

User:Butwhatdoiknow has asked if it is important to have images on pages. What do others think? Ottawahitech (talk) 18:55, 25 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

For anyone looking for unisex images that can be displayed in wq:stubs I just discovered a whole category full of possible alternative' Have a look at Commons:Category:People_stub_icons and tell us what you think. Thanks in advance Ottawahitech (talk) 15:29, 8 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Removed Malala Yousafzai image from a section heading?[edit]

I just found out that Malala Yousafzai said: I am convinced Socialism is the only answer, so have removed her image from Wikiquote:SheSaid#Things_you_can_do. This is not because I am either pro or anti socialism, but because I don't believe shesaid has an opinion on socialism. Opinions? Ottawahitech (talk) 18:12, 26 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don't worry too much about the content of the quote, but it would be better if the content would be related to women. Also there were two pictures of Malala and one should be enough. -- ~ SheSaid 21:50, 26 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

An image that completely disapeared from all wmf-wikis?[edit]

  • A couple of years ago there was an image I really liked, which showed a caricature of a woman in a headdress flexing muscles. I wonder why this image is no longer around. Anyone? Ottawahitech (talk) 18:45, 28 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Businesspeople-stub image[edit]

Businessperson (3287) - The Noun Project.svg

The WQ stub for businesspeople has a photo of a man. Can anyone suggest a better image to reflect the existence of women in this field? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 01:52, 2 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What about something as simple as this (on the right), found at [1]? ~ UDScott (talk) 16:43, 5 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Scientist-stub image also replaced[edit]

I also replaced the Template:Scientist-stub image. Comments? Ottawahitech (talk) 20:28, 27 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

While I understand the point - which is to illustrate that both women and men are scientists, this image takes away any relationship to the topic of scientist. What about having an image of a woman scientist (like one for a woman chemist or one of Marie Curie as shown to the right)?
160-woman-scientist-2.svg
or
Marie Curie (Nobel-Chem).jpg
~ UDScott (talk) 20:53, 27 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Or here's another possibility (that seems to be unisex). ~ UDScott (talk) 15:17, 28 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Scientist.svg
The current one looks like a man to me? Ottawahitech (talk) 15:07, 10 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not sure why - it is meant to be a unisex image that does not contain any traditional gender markers. That being said, if anyone can find something that is better, feel free to replace. The one that I found for businesspeople (see above) is one that seems to work better for this purpose, but I haven't yet found anything comparable for scientists. ~ UDScott (talk) 15:13, 10 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Political-stub image[edit]

Another new image request at:
Template talk:Political-stub #Image should represent the topic.
Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 15:33, 7 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How about this image?[edit]

Feminist-wikipedia-logo.jpg

I found the image on the left at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Feminist-wikipedia-logo.jpg there are also others in the category which can be clicked at the bottom of that page. Opinons? Ottawahitech (talk) 16:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Image for physicist stubs[edit]

For more information see File talk:Albert Einstein Head.jpg#Can women be physicts?. Thanks for your thoughts, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:26, 14 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New image![edit]

Wikiloveswomen logo.svg

I like the new image for the SheSaid page much better than the old one. How do others feel? Ottawahitech (talk) 23:41, 6 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I changed it because... the SheSaid was a Wiki Loves Women initiative and not a Women in Red one. Eh ! And what do you think of the barnstar. I found it by chance whilst wandering on other languages :))) I think it is quite good. Anthere (talk) 12:42, 19 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Results ![edit]

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Launched in October 2020, the #SheSaid campaign on Wikiquote has been an amazing success! Across 7 languages, by the 5th January, it resulted overall in 867 new or improved articles (the majority new). Italian Wikiquote was the clear language winner (405 articles) with Ukraine (187) and French (106) coming not so close behind. And let's not forget the great work done on the Spanish, English, Serbian etc. wikiquotes. Congrats to us all ! All results on the #SheSaid meta page.

Please consider the campaign is on-going (there is still much work to do...) :) Please keep contributing quotes from women !

Anthere (talk) 12:40, 19 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


List of women[edit]

Do we need the lists of women in this article? They are found easier by browsing the category. -- ~ #SheSaid 11:05, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Invitation to participate in the #SheSaid Campaign 2021[edit]

We are delighted to share with you that the #SheSaid Campaign will be running again this year and you are invited to participate in Oct/Nov 2021.The goal is to celebrate notable women and add more entries on Wikiquote. Please have a look at some of the cool bookmarks we have completed and ready for you to print if you wish to do so. If you would like to have the editable version of the bookmark please contact me at Shoodho , visit some sample of bookmarks here:SheSaid Bookmarks on Metawiki.For more information, please visit the campaign page here:SheSaid Metawiki page. If you have any questions or query please feel free to contact Islahaddow (Isla), Anthere (Florence), or Shoodho ( Candy).

Kind regards, Shoodho

@Shoodho:
It is great to see the #SheSaid Campaign come to life at en-WQ It's taken a long time since the idea was floated at our Village pump by Anthere last year.
Would it be possible to move discussions that concern en-WQ from Meta to this wiki? Some of the active participants here will not or cannot participate on Meta because they are blocked on that wiki. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:52, 14 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No problem will do. Thank you. Shoodho (talk) 22:23, 18 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tracking[edit]

Hello. To track articles created, please add them here or add the #shesaid hashtag in the comment box (the tool does not update live, there are a few days delay). If you do not list them, we can not know what’s going on... thanks Anthere (talk) 18:36, 4 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi User:Anthere, I am sure more than 81 en-WQ new articles about women have been created so far, some are not on this list. Will they be counted when the campaign ends? Just curious, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:54, 1 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You are raising an issue I am aware of, and which is very annoying. Bottom line... the hashtag tool is no more working. At all. Zero. I have submitted a bug report on GitHub [2] where the tool is posted, as well as on Phabricator [3]. I have met but an heavy silence.
So... the only way to actually seriously track is by going to Recent Changes and digging... or check all the contributions of those involved... check red lists etc.
On the French Wikipedia, I have done this from the start. About every two weeks, I go to Recent Changes and I grab all what is missing in the list of done articles on the page and I manually add them.
Now the problem is that Candy was supposed to do that. But did not. The only thing she did was to check Recent Changes and counted all articles created about women. So not only did she not track the right articles, but she did not report them on the page as she was supposed to. The problem of the English version is that it is significantly higher traffic than the other languages. So the digging in Recent Changes is tough. But the biggest issue right now is that Recent Changes do not go further 30 days. So every day without checking and tracking 30 days in the past... is likely to be lost information.
We can also use the dashboard when dashboard was created (we have a few) or some meta pages where people listed their additions (there, but not here...)
But in short, we are a little bit in a mess because the hashtag tool is not working as it was working in the past, because some participants do not add the articles on the page themselves and because no one did the manual tracking in the Recent Changes. I am trying to see if I can find someone who would know how to run queries to dig that info....
This is little to say that I am annoyed...
Any suggestion ? Anthere (talk)
fixed it ! see below Anthere (talk)

Source lacking[edit]

Hello there, I let you girls and guys that I've just deleted two articles linked from Redlist of this wiki project, regretfully. Both articles look almost fine but lack sources completely, so have been proposed for deletion for a week (see also WQ:PROD), and no improvement has come. As same as our sister projects, living people quotes are highly sensible themes in regard of rights of original authors. Please keep it in your mind that fair use clause is only applicable when quotes are rightly citing sources, not only the person who said it, but also the publication or venue where it has appeared firstly. Cheers, --Aphaia (talk) 03:26, 12 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Aphaia:,
Nice to see more en-WQ admins (see: {{List of admins}}) participating here. I have been around en-WQ for about a year and a half and consider myself a newbie here, even though I have experience editing other wmf wikis.
I assume you meant the deletion of Deola Sagoe and Ola Brown? Could you tell us more about the procedures around en-WQ deletions. I know at en-wiki if you create a new page and someone wants to have the page deleted, it is customary to notify the page creator of the proposed deletion and to give the crreator an opportunity to fix the concern. Is it not the same here?
I would also like to bring to your attention the fact that some of the participants at #SheSaid may identify as neither a girl nor a guy. Thanks in advance for any feedback Ottawahitech (talk) 18:49, 15 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

shesaid pageview statistics[edit]

For your information shesaid pageviews Ottawahitech (talk) 16:02, 24 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Shesaid talkpage pageviews Ottawahitech (talk) 16:51, 6 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pageviews of WQ wmf wikis by language[edit]

FYI English, Italian, Spanish, German, French and Ukranian]. Ottawahitech (talk) 16:58, 24 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just wondering if anyone here ever looks at the statistics provided by the wmf volunteers? For example did you know that Marianne Williamson is currently in sixth place in terms of pageviews on EnWQ (English Wikiquote) with about 20 thousand monthly pageviews? I did not until a few minutes ago...
never mind, when I refreshed I got a totally different view for October 2022 with no pages about women in the top 50. Are we going backwards? Anyone reading here? Ottawahitech (talk) 14:08, 12 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template TOC limit[edit]

I have been battling the TOC limit template for more than a week, but did not do the obvious until today, when I finally decided to click and follow the chain that started at What links here on the template page.

To make a long story short:

looks like the template TOC limit does not (and probably never) work(ed) on WQ.

See: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/User_talk:Ningauble/Archive_17#TOC_limit

&

https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ningauble&diff=1664248 (#importing templates)

Lessons learned is

  • not every thing on WQ works like it should
  • Admin User:Ningauble is the expert around here for template stuff
  • Archiving talkpages has a ways to go
  • Anything else?

I hope I am making sense, at least to those who are interested in learning more about wiki-technology. Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this matter, Ottawahitech (talk) 17:08, 6 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Alternate lesson: If a page has that many heading and labels, it is probably too long and/or poorly structured. ~ Ningauble (talk) 00:51, 11 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for popping in @Ningauble: it is getting awefully lonely here. Can you please explain your messgage above, I have no clue what page you are referring to. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 21:57, 11 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was referring to Template TOC limit in general, wherever one might wish to use it to limit the display of numerous or deeply nested headings. ~ Ningauble (talk) 20:15, 28 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks User:Ningauble. I wonder if you have any suggestion on how to have Wikiquote:SheSaid/Suggestions display a TOC limited only to the first two-level headings. In my humble opinion it would make that page a thousand times more usable than it is with no Table Of Contents altogether. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:08, 2 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tracking[edit]

I found THE way (feel very proud...)

Since the hashtag tool does not work any more... I reverted to Quarry !!!

We have the query now. This is it : https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/60342

Anthere (talk) 17:03, 2 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for all your efforts User:Anthere. This project would not have gotten off the ground without your tireless efforts.
I am concerned though when wmfers are sent off to "foreign" websites. Is there no wmf-approved method of providing tracking information? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 17:10, 2 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Quarry ??? This can hardly be called « foreign » website. It is hosted on Wikimedia Cloud... https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Cloud_Services_Introduction. This is the team in charge : https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Cloud_Services_team. So no worry ! Anthere (talk)
For your reference, the Hashtag tool we previously used was on ToolForge. Same thing. Not a foreign website. I understand your concern. But this is home :) Anthere (talk)
More examples of articles created during the drive with no hashtags:

So... yes, we know that articles that are related to SheSaid will slip through the cracks if 1) people do not list them on the page 2) and do not add the hashtag. But I also assume that some women biographies are created completely aside from the campaign, with no intent of participation from their authors. So here is the strategy I follow...<bt> I will assume the un-taggued and un-listed article is shesaid, if I see it was created by

  • someone I know for a fact is participating to the she said campaign (typically was a participant to a she said training session and edit-a-thon)
  • someone who did not tag that article, but tagged other articles shesaid
  • a friend I know well (such as someone from LSP for example)

I will assume the un-taggued and un-listed article is NOT shesaid, if I see it was created by someone who I never interacted with, never ever put shesaid in content etc.

The other thing I do is... once I identified that someone participated once to SheSaid, then I add them to the list of participants. This will allow to search for their untagged edits at the end.

I will have a look at the above... Anthere (talk) 10:13, 6 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The examples are articles from User:BJ 77, User:James Rhoda and User:Aderiqueza. When I look at htheiris user page, I see they are from Ilorin University (Nigeria). I can completely relate that to the Wiki Loves Women focus group. So I am 100% sure they are in. There may even be a dashboard somewhere... Anthere (talk) 10:20, 6 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am going to fix. Please drop in any further suggestions ! Anthere (talk) <---- I have not looked into details to those ones yet Anthere (talk)

Found those on Nigeria dashboard as well : [4] <--- I added those Anthere (talk) 13:15, 7 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  1. Ola Brown
  2. Deola Sagoe
  3. Ndidi Okonkwo Nwuneli
  4. Ayoade Olatunbosun-Alakija
  5. Mpule Kwelagobe
  6. Uche Eze
  7. Bilikiss Adebiyi Abiola
  8. Oprah Winfrey (m)
  9. Cicely Tyson (m)
  10. Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie §m)
  11. Maya Angelou (m)
  12. Miriam Makeba (m)

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anthere (talkcontribs) 12:28, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Could we add a note on the talkpage of each newly created article that this article was created during the SheSaid campaign?

Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikiquote[edit]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikiquote has been approved, if anyone is interested in helping to get that project up and running. Cheers! (C&P from WQ:Village pump posting by User:BD2412) Ottawahitech (talk) 20:12, 10 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

News from the hashtag tool[edit]

Some of you know that the hashtag tool has stopped working at some point and this is making our lives a bit more complicated for tracking.

I reported the issue on Phabricator and got some news !

Sorry for the delay in looking into this - the tool isn't officially maintained and I missed this. It looks like the last data we have is September 30th.
I'm trying to fix this today; the problem appears to be an SSL error in the collection script container - it can't connect to the eventstream. Suspect this has to do with us using an old VM so I'm going to aim to hit two birds with one stone and upgrade production to Debian Stretch.
Once this gets up and running again we'll be able to collect historical data from up to 30 days ago, but unfortunately will have lost anything between then and September 30th.

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T296410

Anthere (talk) 12:33, 13 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And it went down again :)))))) /me cries Anthere (talk)

Results 2021 ![edit]

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Hello friends !

The SheSaid drive is over ! All results may be found here.

For 2021, nine different language communities contributed – Italian, Ukrainian, English, Tagalog, Igbo, Spanish, French, Central Bikol, and Catalan. In addition to the global drive, 12 members of Wiki Loves Women’s Focus Group held local training and participation drives with their communities.

Across the 9 language Wikiquotes a collective of 1,514 articles were created. This ensures that 1,514 notable women whose voices and wisdom had previously not been featured, can now be easily accessed. Articles for a further 309 women were improved. In addition, 638 articles featuring notable women were created on Kinyarwanda Wikipedia (Wikipediya mu Kinyarwanda) by the activities of the Wiki Loves Women Focus Group member in Rwanda in collaboration with Wikimedia Rwanda Usergroup.

The Italian language community through the enthusiasm of the Wiki Donne user group was again the most outstanding contributor to the SheSaid Campaign. This community created articles about 609 women and improved a further 227 articles. The next prolific contender, the Tagalog language community (currently in incubator status) created 308 new articles. The third highest contributing language community was to the English Ukrainian language Wikiquote by creating 169 articles and improving a further 55 articles.

Below are the stats impact for the SheSaid Campaign across 9 different languages that participated in 2021;

The lack of women’s voices in the digital domain is a global issue, one that we can collective work on in order to change how women are viewed. Wiki Loves Women is awed by the response and enthusiasm to the second edition of this drive, and looks forward to the third version in 2022! We urge that anyone can join this initiative and continue to make an impact by adding more articles about women !

Anthere (talk) 10:09, 28 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

REQUEST for help[edit]

Four your information, I have posted a request for help at The problem of gender bias. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:33, 7 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Success![edit]

I checked the official wikimedia stats today and and saw a large increase in the number of new articles on the English WQ in October of 2021. The number of new pages remained elevated for the following 3 months. Congratulations to all participants. Ottawahitech (talk) 16:15, 17 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is great news !!! Anthere (talk)

SheSaid 2022[edit]

Hello !

The #SheSaid campaign will return in October 2022. To better organize this edition, we would like to know whether you plan participating to it or not :)

There is still time. But in case you need funding, please be aware that the application for a small grant to the Wikimedia Foundation needs to be done before the 1st September 2022!

We plan to organise an office hour dedicated to the @SheSaid campaign in July.

If you are interested (even if not sure to join #SheSaid because it will depend on a thousand of things), please check out that page on meta and drop your name on the talk page so that we make sure to inform you ! m:Wiki Loves Women/SheSaid

Thanks !

Anthere (talk) 19:50, 13 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks @Anthere for your tireless contributions to women on wiki.
Is this a good place to discuss issues in regard to blocking of users who have been helpful to this campaign in the past (this goes back to 2021). Ottawahitech (talk) 13:44, 27 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As long as you involve administrators in that discussion... yes. I am not an admin here. Anthere (talk) 15:26, 27 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Most of the pages under the biographies section are historical events, countries or scientific achievements: not people[edit]

If the only requirement to add an entry to this biography section is that there is a woman's quotation featured on that Wikiquote page, than shouldn't this list ideally include every single Wikiquote page? Or do you honestly believe that there is a subject that no notable woman has ever commented on and never will? CensoredScribe (talk) 19:11, 27 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well.... yeah... but that would not be super practical, would not it ? :) But yeah. Anthere (talk) 08:27, 28 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@CensoredScribe: I am not sure I am looking at the same list as you are. Can you please give an example? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 22:11, 28 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Query to track the hashtag returns old results[edit]

As far as I can tell the Query to track the hashtag is delivering a cached result from Tue, 18 Oct 2022 10:28:57 UTC and not the recent additions. Copy the query to quarry and executing it as a new query returns a more up-to-date result and I cannot resist commenting enables Charlotte Stoker to be resurrected from the dead and appear in the result set (I confess to having a vested interest in that one). For example compare to same query but executed Fri, 28 Oct 2022 16:00:54 UTC. Comments? Thankyou. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 16:13, 28 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for posting @Djm-leighpark. I am afraid what u posted above is all Greek to me. Can you please explain to some of the less technically-oriented participants what you are trying to accomplish? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 22:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ottawahitech: Thankyou for your good faith response. SparQL is probably pretty "Greek" to many SQL jockeys anyway. Okay. Always perhaps best to point out the "problem" rather than guessing the cause. Problem: Why is Charlotte Stoker not appearing on the Wikiquote:SheSaid project page? Even after your Special:Diff/3183594 contribution? Even not at Show changes on pages linked from Category:Women born in the 20th century. Thankyou. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 21:35, 29 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am a bit confused here. It can only appear on [5] if YOU or another human being actually add the article to the list... the reason I made the query is that some people create entries but do not add them manually to the list. So if they added the hashtag, I can at least see the article in the query and I will come to manually add it to the wiki page... This is not automatic... Anthere (talk) 10:08, 31 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah and of course, if the person did not list the article manually on the wiki page and did not either put the hashtag in the comment... then the only solution to retrieve those is to track recent changes and guess who are part of the SheSaid team :) Anthere (talk) 10:09, 31 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am now aware that after visiting the stale query pressing "Fork" then "Submit" will give the latest results rather than a stake set which is obvious if you know that. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 15:08, 30 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please note I have raised this at mw:Talk:Quarry#How to overcome stale query results?. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 15:45, 30 October 2022 (UTC) -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 04:21, 31 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is a good point. I know only of Fork and Submit... Anthere (talk) 10:03, 31 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Anthere: I can see it looks as if you republished this morning at 10:00am ish UTC and Stoker is in your new query snapshot. Forever I have just twigged by following where the button goes that replacing '/query/' with '/fork/' in the url brings one directly to a screen where it is only necessary to press 'Submit' to execute the query to get an up to date snapshot. i.e. Going direct screen ready to submit an up-to-date snapshot. So I'm inclined to suggest you consider repointing to the 'fork' url or to republish a new snapshot of your query say every day. Thankyou. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 14:36, 31 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good point. Gosh, it is really not a practical feature they did here... Anthere (talk) 10:51, 2 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I was playing with the query today on Quarry and realised I was dealing with MariaDB/SQL and not SparQL what is used on wikidata. I had (what I thought) was a real neat improvement of the query but it did not complete in time. My guess is it should have but I might need to re-write to lead the optimizer to a better execution path or give it the old hint. Anyway please ignore any references I made to Quarry/SparSQL above, and if you haven't a clue what I'm talking about simply ignore this statement. Thankyou. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 01:00, 14 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Djm-leighpark:
Re: "and if you haven't a clue what I'm talking about simply ignore this statement. Thankyou."
I did not have a clue when this thread started more than 2 weeks ago, but I am slowly, and with a great amount of effort starting to understand (I think?). I think you are using some high-powered software to see how many edits are being made to women's pages, and by whom, during the 2022 campaign?
If so I wonder if you have considered simply following [Related changes for all the women categories during the campaign? If you really must have software do this, you can have something that will show you the results for all categories instead of paging through one by one. Am I making sense? Ottawahitech (talk) 20:25, 14 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ottawahitech. Oh sorry. Not such a detailed track at all. Its just that under "New articles" "Query to track the hashtag" "quarry.wmcloud.org/query/68553" doesn't simply give the articles that have been created since the start of the #SheSaid campaign, as it also returns lot of other rows as well. So I'm basically looking to limit that query to page_namespace=0 (main article space) and where there is no revision for the page title where the rev_timestamp is earlier than 20221001000000. I'm more interested in having fun playing looking and and playing with the SQL query than with the actual results. Thankyou. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 21:03, 14 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've fiddled about and I've come up with: this query, which might be good or it might be rubbish but I'd hate to try to debug it in two days time if it has a bug! Seems to be fairly efficient but I'd need to let the database cool down to be a little more certain. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 23:28, 14 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Djm-leighpark Way to go! SQL is a good skill to have (I think?) Ottawahitech (talk) 02:31, 15 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ottawahitech: Thanks for the compliment. Relational Databases might not be all they once were in these days of big data and SQL might have got too heavyweight for its own good. Anyway I'm tweaked that query to a #SheSaid English WikiQuote new articles (01-Oct-22 : 31-Dec-22) query that can produce a Downloadable WikiTable as below (NB: I'm not being paid by UCD for it!): -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 05:40, 15 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Djm-leighpark, I picked a random page from your list below: Zoe Kincaid Penlington, and according to its View history it was created on November 9, 2022 by User: Penny Richards. I am wondering if it was created on November 9 or on November 11?
Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 14:49, 15 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ottawahitech: Per Special:Diff/3190747 which has no older revision the create date was 21:59, 9 November 2022. I'm used a YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS format as that relates well to en:ISO 8601##Calendar dates without going the whole hog with "T"s and "Z"'s and things. Years in the form YYYYMMDD naturally sort perfectly for the nearly next 8000 years ot so and I don't think anyone would use YYYYDDMM (well I hope not.). I could have use a DD-MMM-YYYY or DD-MON-YYYY (09-NOV-2022/09-NOVEMBER-2022) type format but that would have left things unsortable naturally. Could have left the year off completely. I have also just changed the class from class="wikitable" class="wikitable sortable" as this is a good candidate for a sortable table. Thankyou. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 16:29, 15 November 2022 (UTC) I've also updated the result to include a link to the wikidata item if one has been linked. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 11:23, 20 November 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]
I just noticed Susette La Flesche has been added but without a #SheSaid comment so was not on this list. I added the comment at Special:Diff/3195652 and re-ran the query and updated the output because I was also aware it did not have a wikiquote link at wikidata, and that successfully shows as a blank (well None!) in the query output table here so that was a good test of the amended script. Following that From her English Wikipedia article I can easily see her wikidata item is d:Q533721 so now I've added the required link at Wikidata per d:Special:Diff/1775598137 and checked Wikidata item is now appearing on left page menu of the desktop enWikequote site (at the bottom of the tools section). -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 13:42, 20 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
New WikiQuote #SheSaid article Creator Date created Wikidata item
Tobi Amusan Aderiqueza 2022-10-07 16:17:25 d:Q20991657
Dorothea Brande Uncle Bash007 2022-10-15 16:57:22 d:Q5298236
Lucy Feagin SL93 2022-10-18 05:08:13 d:Q111195602
Ethel Hampson Brewster Penny Richards 2022-10-18 21:06:20 d:Q21524638
Henrietta Meeteer Penny Richards 2022-10-18 21:54:13 d:Q114614233
Grace Porterfield Polk Penny Richards 2022-10-19 00:07:33 d:Q114469155
Esther Loring Richards Penny Richards 2022-10-19 01:55:15 d:Q114246767
Maria Bakalova Saroj Uprety 2022-10-24 12:15:25 d:Q100740782
Kathleen Cleaver Traanarchist 2022-10-26 18:02:31 d:Q3194063
Charlotte Stoker Djm-leighpark 2022-10-27 16:51:16 d:Q114767307
Arika Okrent Arlo Barnes 2022-10-29 07:43:56 d:Q4790624
Riley Reid Saroj Uprety 2022-11-01 14:05:02 d:Q3916703
Paula Rego AdmiralAckbar1977 2022-11-03 18:39:18 d:Q235318
Emilia Clarke Saroj Uprety 2022-11-05 14:18:25 d:Q235132
Azalia Emma Peet Penny Richards 2022-11-06 17:57:00 d:Q115104683
India Arie Gillum 2022-11-09 01:11:37 d:Q258750
Zoe Kincaid Penlington Penny Richards 2022-11-09 21:59:20 d:Q113805981
Caroline Takamine Beach Penny Richards 2022-11-11 22:42:45 d:Q115171164
Emilie Pine Djm-leighpark 2022-11-14 00:36:09 d:Q68584846
Hailee Steinfeld Saroj Uprety 2022-11-15 15:25:16 d:Q231726
Konstrakta Emilijaknezevic 2022-11-16 04:49:23 d:Q111109598
Phildah Kereng Mothusi Sekhomba 2022-11-16 09:35:14 d:Q110210165
Susette La Flesche FormalDude 2022-11-20 10:35:13 None


Follow on query to show campaign updated articles[edit]

  • WikiQuote updated articles in #SheSaid 2022 is an attempt to get a list of existing articles improved in the campaign. It also shows a size increase metric which is both useful but ultimtately no substitute for article quality as length does not alway equate to quality, and I suspect sometimes the opposite is very possible. Anyway I've put the (current) output below if anyone's interested. Be warned this isn't fully tested, in fact I've guessing it seem about right so egg in the face is quite possible. I need to do a detailed check and refinement over a couple of days before a publish. Thankyou. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 14:47, 16 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
WikiQuote updated article in #SheSaid 2022 Campaign size increase Current size Last update
Elizabeth Wathuti 1279 2326 2022-10-18 12:02:29
Greta Thunberg 627 69187 2022-11-12 06:31:01
Gretchen Whitmer 963 3382 2022-11-11 21:10:46
Ida B. Wells 457 10181 2022-11-11 22:40:42
Kylie Minogue 483 2222 2022-11-08 23:20:54
Martha Koome 793 1705 2022-10-18 13:14:17
María Irene Fornés 4 2420 2022-10-15 10:17:16
Megan Marie Hart 862 3451 2022-11-13 00:59:32

Just got a nice invitation to join this campaign[edit]

At the top of the page which I intended to edit I saw a box with a yellow background and a small icon link to wq:shesaid saying:

SheSaid is ongoing! Join the coordinated effort from Wiki Loves Women to improve coverage of girls' and women's voices on Wikiquote.

Did anyone else get the same? Thanks in advance for responding. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:11, 8 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes! It's a great way to promote the initiative. AdmiralAckbar1983 (talk) 19:56, 8 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@AdmiralAckbar1977 Did your background also change to green today? Just curious Ottawahitech (talk) 00:34, 10 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ottawahitech Yes, the box did, that is. AdmiralAckbar1983 (talk) 16:43, 10 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is this campaign encouraged by the establishment?[edit]

Is this campaign getting help from the English Wikiquote establishment? How many of enWQ's Admins are even aware that this year's campaign is in progress? Just wondering after I saw Philda kereng proposed for deletion a couple of hours after it was created. The article creator was not even notified on their user talk-page-about this proposed deletion.

Can anyone here decipher what the rationale is for this proposed deletion? Ottawahitech (talk) 16:12, 16 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

As I put in the PROD tag, this person does not appear to be notable enough to merit a page here. Admirable as they may be (and certainly well known in Botswana), it doe snot seem that this person WQ is a collection of quotes from notable people. And while I know the goal is to boost the number of pages for women, flooding the site with pages for less notable people is not encouraged. As to your first question, yes I do happen to support the SheSaid campaign and have expended great effort to ensure that the many pages that have been added within this campaign are properly formatted (if the people are notable and the quotes are memorable and sourced), as needed. ~ UDScott (talk) 18:13, 16 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(edit conflict and UDScott has answered here in the interim and this contribution does not take their contribution into account): :@Ottawahitech, UDScott:: I'm indef blocked on the English Wikipedia for Battleground and CIR so I don't want to get massively involved. However the start point is to AGF for a newbie and so I've put standard welcome template on the creator's talk page. I think UDScott has proposed several of there articles for deletion so at a quick glance there's no indicator to me of Gender discrimination. #SheSaid content also has to meet the criteria of any other content. In the case of the Kereng article there appears (unless I've missed it), no English Wiki article, no Setswana article, and no Wikidata article. Actually I've just found Wikidata:Q110210165. And my understanding it is important from a notability viewpoint those exist or are viable. The key point (which is not in the WikiQuote article prose) is that Kereng is Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation & Tourism of Botswana; and thus almost certainly satisfies en:WP:POLITICIAN. As that was not in the prose not obvious from link to another wiki the proposed deletion was perhaps not reasonable. The article name here fails MOS with the surname not capitalised and needs a move, but the name in Wikidata is Phildah Kereng; so one point is to have a stab at deciding on a move here before linking up the Wikidata item. Phew. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 19:18, 16 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And just chiming in again: this is a well reasoned discussion of the issue - and I would agree that if this person is indeed a government minister, that seems to be sufficient to establish notability. I definitely did not place the PROD tag because the person was a woman. I suggest the page be moved to the proper name and then have its formatting cleaned up a bit. Thanks. ~ UDScott (talk) 19:37, 16 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've taken the liberty of moving the page to the proper name, revising/trimming the intro, cleaning up formatting, and adding categories. ~ UDScott (talk) 19:44, 16 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good to know ! Anthere (talk) 15:29, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@UDScott: I just wanted to point out that it never even entered my mind that you proposed the article for deletion because the subject was a woman. I am well aware of all the work you do around the site to help all newbies, women included. The comment about the establishment is aimed at some other admins who visit this site only sporadically, Stewards and other wmf(volunteer)-functionaries, who are too busy to notice, and other prolific content-contributors at WQ, those who dhave no time to read the wq:Village pump regularly.
Note: I will attempt to come back later to turn redlinks into blue ones Ottawahitech (talk) 22:16, 18 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Just. wanted to add that I just looked at Category:All articles proposed for deletion and I see quite a few pages that were probably added by members of the shesaid campaign. Caution: I did not check this hyposesis carefully due to lack of time. Any comments? Ottawahitech (talk) 13:14, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
With regards to this - yes, I agree that this is the case. But IMHO, I believe it is because many of the pages introduced by these members of the campaign are lacking in the necessary level of notability to be included. Yes, we want to increase the visibility and exposure of significant women, but not at the expense of the quality of what appears on WQ. If we allow non-notable pages just to increase the number of women pages, I fear that we are diluting the product too much. We should strive to maintain the standards that separate us from other quote sites that are less careful about that, while bringing forth notable women to have pages. ~ UDScott (talk) 13:19, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I like a lot of other people came here by banner across a lot of Wiki's and I was interested as I had just done the Charlotte Stoker article on :ga and :Simple English wikipedias and felt I could get a quote article for her here. I then got interested on why she did not get put on the list of new SheSaid articles and also began playing with Quarry and then got attracted to this thread. I got involved with some of the reasoning for retention of that article. UDScott has deleted some of my work here previously and sometimes in my view fails to demonstrate best practice, e.g. Special:Diff/3196100 which may be totally correct technically but is also an explained content removal. That said UDScott is doing shouldering a massive amount of the admin load in this place and having to triage most of the new stuff by themself. I also see Ottawahitech and a few others doing cleanup and triage from a differnent angle. I've spent a couple of days wathcing people and trying to establish in my mind what is the practice in this place. I obviously began to scrutinise one user's work, going through there 20 or so articles where they seemed to have developed a habit of creating problem articles, and while I think I've helped one or two of those towards survivable and demonstratable notability. It might be said I've been very assertive even to the event of bullying on that user (and that bullying allegation was part of the reason I was being blocked on the English Wikipedia and I was censored from any on page reply). But I'd say only about 105 or maybe 20% of the articles they produced are safe notable and the rest probably should be deleted, but that's my opinion. In the SheSaid campaign period about 360 new articles have been produced, at a guess at least 100 of those are about women but only about 28 have a #SheSaid comment tag and about 5 of those are because I put it there with a small or dummy edit. Of the 360 produced about a third don't have a linked item which is an indicator there might be a notability problem. {{Wikipedia}} is sometimes (deceptively put on a new article with a claim there is an English Wikipedia Article when there isn't. I could go on. But in summary I think it might have been helpful if the #SheSaid campaign had emphasised that articles without an English Wikipedia when often likely not to be accepted. @Anthere: any comments - thanks -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 11:35, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What is the necessary level of notability other than having an existing article on the English Wikipedia (enwp)? Yes, enwp has tons more eyes watching every article there, but it is not perfect. Try to add a new article about a black woman from Africa and you will see what I mean. Deleting non-perfect articles on sight is not the way to go IMIO.
It does feel like I have emphasized this point in every single training session / office hour. I consider myself that it is mandatory on the English wikiquote, whilst it is not mandatory but very advised on the French one. Let me look where I can boldly highlight this on the wiki page... Anthere (talk) 15:29, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What we need at the English Wikiquote (enwq) are A LOT of new Users to take some of the burden off the existing tired ones. And we need admins who see their function as helping other contributors instead of admins who are only concerned with keeping enwq spotless clean (removing every vandal and any hint of no-notablility) Ottawahitech (talk) 15:26, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ottawahitech: While I respect your opinion I have been alarmed and some of the articles being created here which look more like SEO promotional spam for of non-notable business people, and I suspect I am probably closer to Anthere's and UDScott's view of your's, albeit I would be be more inclined to VFD some of UDScott's cleanup attempts. Obviously if we adopt Anthere's requirement for an English Wikipedia article my articles here on Charlotte Stoker and Emilie Pine could not remain. I've never attended one of Anthere's workshops but I might be prepared to, or perhaps a closed group zoom. I have some serious concerns about this place.-- 01:28, 23 November 2022 (UTC) —This unsigned comment is by Djm-leighpark‎ (talkcontribs) .

Hi all. I would like to add my 2c to this discussion. I tend to agree with Ottawahitech in relation to this issue. The bias on the English Wikipedia and any Wikipedia against the women of colour already exists. The purpose of this campaign is to try to lower that bias and to bridge the gap. New users are invited to add articles about women. I think that some (if not all) of these women are notable in their own rights and in their own communities, and the fact that they do not have an article on English Wikipedia should not be taken as a criterion for notability or the lack of it. Inviting the new users to write new articles about the already excluded women and then blankly deleting most of these new articles defeats the purpose in my opinion. I agree that Wikiquote should not be clogged with the entries about the non-notable people, and that is true. But maybe some solution can be found. For example, there is an article from the above-mentioned new user about the notable person Ruth Williams Khama. The article needs cleanup; on the other hand, Ottawahitech and I tried to help, and the user overwrote our changes. The new users need help. Someone should let them know the procedures. Just deleting articles/reverting changes is not a right solution in my opinion. Maybe the problem articles could be moved in some (draft) space, so that the work is not lost? Thank you. - Emilija Knezevic (talk) 00:32, 27 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Notifying everyone who participated in this discussion @Djm-leighpark, Anthere, UDScott, Ottawahitech: - Emilija Knezevic (talk) 00:46, 27 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A few points: yes, in an ideal world there would be the chance to educate users to create better pages (or to fix the issues themselves), but as has been pointed out before, there is barely enough time to keep up with the other work that is needed on the site. Whenever possible, I do not merely tag a page for deletion (PROD or VFD), but rather try to make necessary improvements or tag it for cleanup if I just don't have the time at that moment. Moving problem pages to another workspace or to a draft space will not really help if the issue is one of notability. Saying that a person is notable in their own communities is not really the test to use - if there was a local Wikiquote for their community, then perhaps. But this is English Wikiquote - and therefore the people should be notable in English-speaking communities. Other sites that are less strict can certainly host all manner of pages for people, but we have always been a site that is for truly notable people, not for every person under the sun. On the other hand, I do not personally believe that having a Wikipedia page is the only test either. There are plenty of pages for people without a WP page that I would not recommend be deleted. It is certainly a good starting point and initial filter (if there is a WP page, they are certainly notable enough), but is not the end all, be all of criteria.

As for Ottawahitech's view on how admins should behave, I do not disagree that admins can be a great source of help to new users - but that is not their only function (and in fact ANY user can help new users as well) and the maintenance of the site, including cleaning up pages and combating vandalism, is a primary purpose of their existence and the reason they have additional editing tools. And there's just not enough help these days in this pursuit to allow the luxury of spending a lot of time trying to educate other users, despite the best intentions of admins. The placement of cleanup tags and deletion notices in fact serves that purpose too - as these tags direct users to templates and other pages that can help educate them. And sometimes there's also the problem that some people do not wish to learn. I can't tell you how many pages I have had to fix from the same set of users, who would rather rely on my cleanup efforts than learn themselves the right ways to create pages. All of this rambling post is to say that I get it, there are issues of course, but if the site is to remain a relevant one (and not another inaccurate and irrelevant place for non-notable pages), we need to maintain our structure and guidelines for inclusion on it. I for one will always try to keep pages if it makes sense to do so - and to clean up pages needing it where I can. But I have been spending a lot more of my time lately cleaning up than adding content (which is what I certainly prefer). Having a campaign like SheSaid is a good thing, and I wish to see more pages for notable women - but that should not cause us to be overrun by non-notable people just to increase the number of our women pages. ~ UDScott (talk) 01:44, 27 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'd respectfully suggest if anyone wishes to continue this discussion they goto Wikiquote:Village pump#Shesaid campaign is heating up. Thankyou. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 14:26, 27 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Identification, tagging, and handling of new She Said articles[edit]

I'm not normally on this Wiki. I came here to do a quote article for bio subject I'd recently created an article for on :simple+:ga. I (& my alt Deirge) generally do :simple, :ga, :wikidata, and :commons. I'm indef blocked on the English Wikipedia but I still monitor it. I've been involved in some heavy AFD's and DRV's there and have pulled articles from draft to mainspace and I think I've got a fairly good feel for what would be accepted as notable on the English Wikipedia. Broadly speaking I go interested becuase my new '#SheSaid' article didn't appear in a timely manner at Wikiquote:SheSaid#New articles. In the process I started to examine Query to track the hashtag and felt it wasn't giving the best information. I started playing with my own variations and feel I've made some progress towards improvements. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 02:29, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

She Said comment tagging[edit]

These tools simply don't work unless the article has a #SheSaid tag on the comment summary line of an edit. This isn't happening, and Anthere herself doesn't do anything about it. You can fail to notice I'd been adding those own tag's myself with dummy edits for all #SheSaud -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 02:29, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I did noticed you did the dummy additions...
It is a bit unfair to say I do nothing about it... I have mentioned everywhere I could that it was important to EITHER add at least one #shesaid hashtag to the comment box OR to manually add the article to the list. I have written that on the wiki page. I have said it MANY times during training sessions and office hours (which I do during my evenings or my week-ends). I have left private comments to some participants. It is also pointed to in the communication. But bottom line is... that in some languages (such as Igbo, or Italian, or Ukrainian) people are serious about it and do proper tracking. English Wikiquote... does not. That’s it. I spent quite a bit of time trying to track articles because others do not add the hashtag nor list their articles. But ultimately, I am not everyone’s babysitter. This is very uncool to point to me as not doing « anything » about it. Really. Anthere (talk) 02:41, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Whoops. unfair accepted. Probably bad phrasing. Slap me with a trout. I've put my foot in it and not for the first time. But I am male so what do you expect! -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 02:48, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In fact I've simply become in a week as frustrated as you have over a far longer period time. Where's the bots when you need them! -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 02:50, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
General problem of lacking tools... we also used to have an operating hashtag tool... it was not great, but it existed. Then it stopped working... I contacted the owner. He fixed it a first time. It broke again... well, the rest is history :) Anthere (talk)
You could probably nap a javascript jockey at Chantilly to do some common.js riding. My javascript's about as good as my French (though by French Algol 60 is better but that doen't help) and there's a lot of parallel's but following some cross interactions recently and there's an explosion of politically incorrect thoughts spinning in my head. In Simple English I was mulling if I might be able to reverse engineer e.g. OWA to get an appropriate tool to do that quickly. Albeit its really important not to given people inappropriate gender reassignments, even if accidental in these LGBT+ days, and I'd have to check scripts against REVDEL examples, or at least fully understand the MediaWiki MariaDB schema stuff a little better. I'm also be keen for some automation in a couple of areas in getting [[: more automatically and getting wikidata linked back to Wikiquote (Getting that the Wikidata items) when there is a enWikipedia to Wikidata link as I'm spending a lot of time doing that and that may be doable by bot (or it might risk errors). Thanks. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 14:38, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have been thinking it over... Here is the link to the hashtag tool I used during WPWP contest and in the first year of SheSaid. https://hashtags.wmcloud.org. It was... helpful... but pretty crude (for example it is a log, not merging edits to count an article only once; or it can not be ordered. Oh well, we could download the data and sort out things in a table of course, but to do live tracking of events... it is not great). When the tool broke in summer 2021, it took months and many emails to get help for repair. So you think there is a path to either get that tool improved according to our needs, or to do a new tool (if this one reveals problematic to improve). Is this in any way something you would be able to help with ? Or do you know who could help ? See also https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hashtags. Anthere (talk) 14:54, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Anthere. Hi I'm Bigdelboy. I'm an alt. voice of Djm-leighpark and I'm a very sensible non-CIR & battleground voice. I intend to look at the possibility of developing a lightweight javascript function in common.js & skin at common.css linked to a menu option on the User Interface that can be used to add a dummy edit with a "SheSaid" comment with a couple of mouseclicks over the next week, (Please be ae I am extrapolating my knowledge here into areas I've not explored so I may be talking balderdash). The advantage of doing this is that tests with this account for that purpose can be monitored carefully and the common.js/.css removed by an admin in the event of a self-lockout etc., and account Djm-leighpark left to do whatever Djm-leighpark does. In terms of overall tools my alt. Deirge Ó Dhaoinebeaga is expected to at some point engage with tools relating to book edition Wikidata loading and associated SqparQL reporting possibly at toolforge/wncloud; though Deirge has to mop up the French photo w:commons:File:Sweet Bunree.jpg which contributed to a Flickr Explorer event. Overall I'm not likely to be able to easily allocate enough effort to assist in the more heavyweight dashboards you may require to assist with Wikiquote campaign administration etc., but my best ideas of someone who might know someone who could help would be The wub. Thankyou and good luck. -- Bigdelboy (talk) 17:55, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Anthere I don't know about fancy dashboards, but I see the Hashtags tool has a consistent URL for CSV exports. So one idea is you could import it into a Google Sheet (or I assume Excel will have a similar function) by adding a cell =IMPORTDATA("https://hashtags.wmcloud.org/csv/?query=SheSaid") and then have the sheet set up with whatever you want to calculate. Then updating the data becomes simply a case of blanking the IMPORTDATA cell and replacing it, rather than having to do a manual download. Here is a quick bashed together sheet with the general idea.
Unfortunately I don't have time to pursue this further at the moment, but maybe it's helpful. the wub "?!" 00:48, 26 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@The wub:. Thanks for that, its a technique I might be able to leverage in spreadsheet I'm using to prep book editions for Quickstatements. Possibly better to ignore my use of the term 'dashboard' but from your example I think I see Anthere is particularly interested in a tool that works across all wikiquote language implementations. To some degree I'm almost looking at some 'micro tools' that would be of assistance to automate in what is effectively the (informaal?) page curation process here at an article level: Tagging SheSaid comment, linking to English (or associated language) Wiki. While I'm grappling to come up to speed with common.js, common.css, plus skins and it friends I've also come up with a possible idea for a language independent template that may be of some use that may be a quick win and I may be having an alt conversation with Djm-leighpark on their talk about getting some useful test cases set up on it for enWQ & frWQ. It is alright having these idea's but ultimately getting a useable output is key. I very much minded of a Wikibooks project failure but there was no consensus on rules of engagement there at the start but I did get far enough into it which despite some fantastic progress made me realise the result of the transwiki would be functionally poor even if successful. This feels a better start point for me as it feels I would be more supported in my efforts and people not to bothered if I have to give up etc. Thankyou. -- Bigdelboy (talk) 10:28, 26 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you @Bigdelboy: and @The wub:. I will have to read again with a fresh mind and to test the links provided above to better understand what you wrote. But one point that really needs to be understood indeed, is that the SheSaid project (and similarly wikigap or WPWP, using hashtags as well) are multilingual campaigns. And local languages teams need to be fairly independent to run it (and thus to track record) with as simple as possible tools to do the tracking. I can help in French and English myself. Yes, I can do CSV export and reshuffling in those two languages. But am completely useless in Igbo or Ukrainian, so it really needs to be simple as I can not expect others to put a lot of time understanding how to track info. The other thing is that it would certainly be simpler to wait till the end of the campaign and only compile when things are over... but practically speaking, we want to know what’s going on :) Anthere (talk) 01:09, 28 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Notability[edit]

A *lot* of articles have been comping through which many feel some persons of note here consider to have a lack of notability, to which the standard of an English Wikipedia article linked via a wikidata data item is the normally expected standard for bio class article at least. -- 02:29, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Quarry tools[edit]

I've developed 3 Quarry scripts that help. If I've not run them recently you can fork your own copy and run them. I think there helpful in identifying #Shesaid articles. You can view the output on quarry. The output can be downloaded and pasted into a sandbox (Change Wikitable to Wikitable sortable). You dont need to save it, simply preview it. The absence of associated Wikidata item in these outputs may be flag of a possible notability problem. You may already have better tools/techniques/methods than these I'm not aware of. These are all subject to change with time. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 02:29, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Great. Thank you for that. I am very bad with queries and have struggled to set up the first versions. Anthere (talk) 02:41, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New SheSaid articles[edit]

enWikiquote: #SheSaid tagged new articles (01-Oct-22 : 31-Dec-22): This query identifies shesaid tagged articles created in the three-month #SheSaid period. The output should match one-to-one with Wikiquote:SheSaid#New articles. This query is quick to run and I'm fairly confident of its accuracy. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 02:29, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That one looks great. I particularly appreciate that output are ordered by alphabetical order and that it is displayed when there is no Wikidata entry. I only recently realized that Wikidata entries had to be connected. Possible improvement : also adding a column for size ? Anthere (talk) 10:44, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Length now added. Yes check.svgY Done -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 11:45, 28 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Updates to existing SheSaid articles[edit]

enWikiquote: #SheSaid tagged updated articles (01-Oct-22 : 31-Dec-22): This query identifies shesaid tagged articles created in the three-month #SheSaid period. The output should match one-to-one with Wikiquote:SheSaid#New articlesArticles improved. This query is quick to run but I haven't used it much and I have some concerns of its accuracy. This all relies on tagging. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 02:29, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Really good ! Anthere (talk) 10:45, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

All new articles in the part two weeks[edit]

enWikiquote: All new articles the past two weeks: This shows all new articles in the past few weeks SheSaid tagged or not which may help identify new #SheSaid articles and notability problemss. It's a bit expensive at 30s to 1 min elapsed to run and the current version certain could be improved. ---

Very useful generally. In particular for the English Wikiquote which is more active than the other Wikiquote. I think it is not too difficult to change the starting and ending time, so from my perspective, it is good and very helpful Anthere (talk) 10:56, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The latest version o this query understand the current date and does not need to be modified in normal use. This version also reporta article length and if it has been comment tagged for "#SheSaid". The runtime for this is 3s but likely to increase substantially if the range is extended further back than two weeks. Thankyou. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 11:45, 28 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Feedback[edit]

Feedback on the above appreicated. Thankyou. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 02:29, 25 November 2022 (UTC) User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 02:29, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks. I’ll look at them in details at the latest this week-end. Friday will be a super busy day for I. But I will look and I am very grateful you took the time to work on those queries. I thank you. Anthere (talk) 02:41, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
After review... big big big big thank you ! This is a wikiquote-life-changer !
I am going to do forked versions for the other languages. And yeah... add dummies to English and French (I can not help on the other languages as I do not speak them...) Anthere (talk)