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When are we supposed to add the #SheSaid hashtag to edit summaries?

I've asked this question before on the talk page Wikiquote_talk:SheSaid/RedLists, but I've received no response so I'll ask it again: when are we supposed to add the hashtag to edit summaries? Almost all of the entries on the page Wikiquote:SheSaid/RedLists are for historical individuals, however Pandora is also listed in the mythology section, as are forced marriage and forced pregnancy under general suggestions. Wikiquote:SheSaid has a list for Articles created or improved during SheSaid in 2022 and the only one that isn't for an individual is Abortion in the United States. I would certainly appreciate some help in editing the abortion articles, but if this isn't the right place than I would like to know so I can look elsewhere for assistance. I am confused what the scope and purpose of this project consists of and would like to help, but in order to do that I need someone authoritative to tell me what exactly ultimately gets counted as a contribution to the #SheSaid tally. Are any of the Wikiquote admins actually part of this project; I generally regard their answers as being the most definitive. CensoredScribe (talk) 15:36, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

I had a little involvement last year (The Campaign ran from September to December) in running some Quarry queries (NB: Quarry is soon be be superceded) to track newly created articles tagged #SheSaid in the comments. I also ran around tagging #SheSaid to new created Women articles than didn't have the tag. I totally ignored the red lists myself. I'm not actually such what the "rules" are but that's what I did. The queries I used specifically consider new articles created in the campaign period with a #SheSaid tag. The query for updates would show existing articles with an update tagged #SheSaid in the period but I didn't go chasing up the women not tagged as such. So from my view there's little point tagging #SheSaid outside the campaign period, but women's articles are obviously wanted the whole time! My best answer is the Admin's don't really have anything to do with it, they just have to sometimes manage the tumult of new articles that come in for MOS, non-notability etc. Adding articles to the Red Lists, providing there is an article on the English Wikipedia, is probably not harmful and possibly good. Really a question for @Anthere:. -- (formerly Djm-leighpark) DeirgeDel ^t_a^c 16:08, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

That didn't really answer my question but it was never the less still informative; I will avoid using the haghtag outside of the specified time frames of the campaigns. That being said, why there is a time frame at all still confuses me, I understand that that is the period during which SheSaid is advertised across Wikis, but outside of marketing there doesn't seem to be a real reason to limit collecting data to a particular time of the year. I don't think a hashtag would really be necessary at all if the parameters of this project were as simple as "the addition of quotes from women to the pages for those women", because if it were that simple, one would just need to check for changes in a single category, Category:Women. Instead we are all left guessing which themes and works of fiction are somehow construed as being worthy of inclusion on the #SheSaid redlist; to which the answer is Alice in Wonderland and Pandora apparently. CensoredScribe (talk) 17:46, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

I am not sure what to answer this. I am a person who likes identifying the year according to my activities. A couple of years back, I thought the last quarter of the year could be associated to wikiquote. It made sense to me to try to track what was going on, in particular because it was done in several languages, according to who was interested to join. Hence... the hashtag...

You are right that we could limit ourselves to simply looking at the evolution of the upper category woman. I never thought of it. I think the reason why I never thought this way is... that this is not how I use Wikiquote. I regularly look at pages for inspiration... but my entry point is very rarely « people ». It is more « themes ». Such as Education or innovation or Artificial intelligence. And each time I do so... I am disturbed by the fact that most of the quotes on such pages... are quotes from men. I wish quotes from women were not only populating pages dedicated to them, but would infuse the pages of the themes they are talking about. Because... this would show their actual expertise on the matter and the fact their expertise is recognized enough to be considered worth standing next to the men’s. Ok, I probably sound like a bit of a bore when I say that. But in truth... yeah... look at all those themes... such as Industry... 100% quotes are from guys. I know that most participants ONLY focus on creating entries about those women. But for... a quote added in a thematic page... is worth tracking as well.

To answer your initial question... tracking or not tracking during the year... from my perspective, no tracking during the year. But it is still worth sharing big quality additions made on the talk page... Anthere (talk) 02:04, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

You have aptly justified the inclusion of pages beyond just people and the advantage of having the hashtag. It's been a few years since I've had other wikis to be working on, so I can see now how dedicating a time would be helpful for people as well.
My only issue is with the requested pages on the red list and the things to do on the main page, which I understand are just starting points. I think it would help to see how much a particular requested page needs more quotes from women, like you said with industry, neither of those pages lists industry and it would be a really good addition given how much work it needs. What if there was a list of pages which have approached the 50% mark, perhaps the pages could be given something like the green plus Wikipedia adds to good articles? I'm guessing the majority of pages on Wikiquote are in need of more quotes from women, with most pages being closer to 20%.
Also I think the listing of "core" articles is just going to lead to needless arguing over what to include in the highlights. Wikipedia has core articles and vital articles but I don't think Wikiquote has either, so it's a bit odd for #SheSaid to be using them but not the rest of Wikiquote. I'm surprised no one has added father and son alongside mother and daughter, nor is there homosexuality, heterosexuality, bisexuality, transgender or LGBT; in fact there's no mention of sexuality or gender outside of biology topics associated with reproduction capacity and one for a venereal disease. I'm not really sure that the gender bias on Wikipedia is even something that most people are aware of who don't use Wikipedia on a regular basis, so if it is part of a list of topics of prominent concern for a randomized survey of women it would have to be pretty close to the bottom of the list unless some serious sampling bias was involved. I believe it is a very important issue, but I'm not sure that most of the world outside of Wikipedia really views it that way given the general absence of any major news coverage of the topic. When was the last time you even heard Wikipedia being mentioned on television, and was it a brief citation or was Wikipedia actually the main focus of the conversation?
So other than that, I've no concerns; and thank you for explaining #SheSaid a bit better for me. CensoredScribe (talk) 18:42, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Just to comment on an alternative framework for running a campaign you might care to look at m:Africa Day Campaign 2023 and I'm reasonably sure that is having an impact on articles relating to people from Africa being created here at the moment. These might run the m:Template:Writing Contest Toolkit framweork for example. I'm not going to discuss them, merely to point it out. -- DeirgeDel ^t_a^c DeirgeDel ^t_a^c 18:57, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Grants to assist SheSaid or the Wikimedia Foundation non profit organization of which it is part of

I know SheSaid isn't a nonprofit organization, but the Wikimedia Foundation is. SheSaid is active across wikis, although I don't see SheSaid specifically mentioned under the campaigns section of the Wikimedia Foundation's website, most of the links are for topics of interest to SheSaid. So the question I'm asking is, would receiving grants be something that would actually assist either the Wikimedia Foundation in general, or SheSaid in particular, with operations?
I'm still confused as to whether reproductive rights is an issue SheSaid or the Wikimedia Foundation considers to be of any particular importance. I don't really add quotes specifically because they are from women, it just so happens that half the authors of the scientific journal articles I quote are of the female gender identity, regardless of what the particular subject is. Universities in most countries, unlike Wikipedia, do not have a gender gap problem as most college students are now listed as female, so in that one particular sense, Wikipedia more closely resembles a countries armed forces than it does their college campuses, with the exception of those countries for whom service is universal and mandatory.
I have no interest in being an administrator, which I have been on a Wiki before, however I would be interested in writing grant proposals, which I'm assuming would require that I have some kind of position working for the Wikimedia Foundation outside of being a random volunteer with a good idea. I have lots of time and information to give, but I would prefer to be helping with money as well. CensoredScribe (talk) 16:40, 24 June 2023 (UTC)