Talk:Socrates
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Are there any guidlines for quoting Plato as Socrates himself in his works? Or should these quotes go to the Plato article? --Slac 23:45, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
- We have no guideline yet, I think. And in my opinion it is not a good way to quote Plato's hero as "Socrates" ...--Aphaia 00:11, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
- As nearly all we have of Socrates comes through Plato's accounts there is little choice but to quote him through Plato's attributions, or those of a few others. The writings of Plato can of course Insert non-formatted text herebe quotey often are based on the teachings of Socrates, but indications should be made when he claims to be quoting the statements of others, including Socrates. ~ Kalki 00:28, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
- Then should we move the quotes from the Plato article that are attributed to Socrates in his works? --Slac 00:54, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
- They can exist in both places, but ideally with comments regarding the origins in both. Some doubt how accurately Plato reflected some of Socrates statements and ideas, and think he often may have expressed many of his own ideas and attitudes through his portrayals of Socrates, but much of his testimony is generally accepted as accurate and genuine, and there is little definite reason to doubt some of it. There are also of course many variant translations of Plato and others from the ancient Greek that could be used, and when possible the translation used should be cited. ~ Kalki 01:30, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
- OK, that's how I figured it might en deal as long as the everything is neatly explained, cited, and in order. "Noble and orderly," I think is how they would've wanted it. :) --Slac 01:48, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
- They can exist in both places, but ideally with comments regarding the origins in both. Some doubt how accurately Plato reflected some of Socrates statements and ideas, and think he often may have expressed many of his own ideas and attitudes through his portrayals of Socrates, but much of his testimony is generally accepted as accurate and genuine, and there is little definite reason to doubt some of it. There are also of course many variant translations of Plato and others from the ancient Greek that could be used, and when possible the translation used should be cited. ~ Kalki 01:30, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
- Then should we move the quotes from the Plato article that are attributed to Socrates in his works? --Slac 00:54, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
- Aphaia, what do you mean by this? --Slac 03:28, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
- As nearly all we have of Socrates comes through Plato's accounts there is little choice but to quote him through Plato's attributions, or those of a few others. The writings of Plato can of course Insert non-formatted text herebe quotey often are based on the teachings of Socrates, but indications should be made when he claims to be quoting the statements of others, including Socrates. ~ Kalki 00:28, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] not a plato/socrates quote?
what is the citation for the 'education is the kindling of a flame ...' quote? wasn't this yeats, rather than plato? the closest plato comes to anything like this is in Republic 7, at the end of the Cave (518c-d) - education is turning the eye to the light, not putting sight in the eye.
[edit] Unsourced quotes listed as sourced
"Could I climb to the highest place in Athens ..." and "Education is the kindling of a flame ..." are listed under Sourced:Plato, but no sources are given. I'm moving these two quotes. --75.15.135.58 05:12, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
