Talk:Alexander the Great

Ooops. Accidentally rolled back this article, then corrected it. ~ Kalki 22:45, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Father vs Teacher

"I am indebted to my father for living, but to my teacher for living well". I have seen the above quote attributed to Alexander the Great, but cannot confirm it. Can someone else source it?

Dhul-Qarnayn

The following had recently been added to the Sourced quotes:

* Dhu al-Qarnain is Alexander the Greek, the king of Persia and Greece, or the king of the east and the west, for because of this he was called Dhul-Qarnayn [meaning, 'the two-horned one']...
** As quoted in the Quran by Ibn Hisham [1]

Because this is not a quote by Alexander, it does not belong in the Sourced section. Nor can it be added, in a not yet existent About Alexander the Great section, as a quote about Alexander by Ibn Hisham since it does not mention the work in which the quote can be found. For this reason I have removed the quote from the article. - InvisibleSun 03:02, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

well sorry about my ignorant raping.

so, on wikiquote pages about persons we put only quotes by the same person?? and not everyone about and by that person? i was used to editing wikiquote articles on inanimate objects like that>http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Macedonia so i thought we input both by and about the person =/ isn't there an article with summed up quotes about Alexander? so if i want that quote to enter a wikiquote article, i'm supposed to make a wikiquote article on Ibn Hisham?? then i have to make a wikiquote article of Allah!!! this quote is in the Quran!!! muslims say Quran is the word of Allah! so Allah said that! if i say Ibn Hisham said it they will decapitate me and record it on camera for you!! xD
and you also say it's not sourced? it's in the Qur'an.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great_in_the_Qur%27an do you deny Allah as a source?? Allah will decapitate you for that!! Allah Uaqbar!!! but seriously i'm not sure where it is in but i'm pretty sure it's in somewhere, since i found it in wikipedia which usually has sourced stuff.DefendEurope 05:36, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

On a Wikiquote page about a person we can have quotes by that person and quotes about that person (see, for example, Muhammad). In this case you could create a section on the Alexander the Great page which would look as follows:

About Alexander the Great

• Dhu al-Qarnain is Alexander the Greek, the king of Persia and Greece, or the king of the east and the west, for because of this he was called Dhul-Qarnayn [meaning, 'the two-horned one']...
  • From the Qur'an, as found in a note by Ibn Hisham. Cf. Alexander the Great in the Qur'an.

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This section would be located between the Unsourced quotes and the External Links. It would not be necessary to create a separate article for Ibn Hisham.

I had not taken this action myself because I had thought, based on the Wikipedia article you had linked to, that this was a quote by Ibn Hisham which was to be found in a source other than the Qur'an. But if the source is the Qur'an itself, then it could be added as shown above. Is this what you had intended? Based on the article Alexander the Great in the Qur'an, I had gotten the impression that although Dhul-Qarnayn was mentioned in the Qur'an, the actual name of Alexander was not; and that the quote itself was in fact from Ibn Hisham's notes on the Sira of Ibn Ishaq. If this is the case, then the source of the quote is from these notes, by whatever name they are known, and not from the Qur'an itself. So you see now why I am a little confused about this. - InvisibleSun 05:56, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

oh. thanx for the update. the quote is actually in the "biography of Muhammad by Ibn Ishaq" (arab muslim historian) as written by Ibn Hisham. Ibn Hisam was the re-editor of the biography of Muhammad written by Ibn Ishaq. Ibn Ishaq's work is lost and his work is now only known in the recensions of Ibn Hisham and al-Tabari. too many Ibn's confuse me too. =/
but it's pretty clear: it's a quote by Ibn Ishaq found in the works of Ibn Hisham. You choose where it goes as i've valiantly proven myself to be a Noob.
-DefendEurope 15:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)