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You include in your quotes from Andrew Jackson the following: "Corporations have neither bodies to kick or souls to damn" (as do other selections of Jackson quotes). However, I have never seen anywhere the context in which this statement was made, and it has also been attributed to an 18th century English politician. Of course the fact that somebody else may have used it first would not have prevented Jackson from doing so, but in view of the uncertainty raised by the alternative attribution I would appreciate knowqing where and when Jackson is supposed to have said it.

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Den of Vipers[edit]

Andrew Jackson and the Bank of the United States: An interesting bit of history concerning “Old Hickory” is very small booklet (only six pages of text) by Stan V. Henkels, privately printed in an edition of 310 books by his son, Stan V. Henkels, Jr. in 1928. According to this book, around the year 1883, Henkels found the original minutes of the committee of Philadelphia citizens that was sent to Washington in 1834, signed by the members of the committee. A few years later, a reporter from the Evening Telegraph asked him if he had anything new and interesting. Henkels told him about this story and it was printed in the paper under the title “A Relic of St. Andrew”. After seeing the story in the newspaper, Caleb Cope, one of the members of the committee, came by to take a look at the paper. He said, “Stanislaus, I thought those minutes had been destroyed many, many years ago. Yes, that is my signature—and that is Comly's—and Struthers', and all the rest. My, but those were exciting times. Many others beside myself looked upon Andrew Jackson as a tyrant, but Stanislaus, I lived to see the day when I could bend my knee and say ‘God bless Andrew Jackson! It is to his great foresight and wisdom that we owe the admirable banking system that we have today.’”

The paper was sold at auction a few weeks after this incident. It was purchased by a son of the William Struthers who signed the minutes.

The report of the Philadelphia Committee—which does not contain Jackson's colorful language—can be read in Niles' Weekly Register, Vol. XLVI, pp. 8-10, March 1, 1834. An excerpt of the report can also be found—along with reports from the New York and Baltimore committees—in Gales and Seaton's Register of Debates in Congress, Vol. X, Part III, pp. 3074-5.

KHirsch 00:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Where does that recount of the story of the original minutes and Henkels' book come from? Is there some published text that tells that story? Are those your words? --JohnDoe0007 02:32, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
I've put a scan of the booklet here(3 MB PDF). It's also available at a few dozen libraries. I don't think it's been published in any books since then. The story had previously appeared in Publishers Weekly in 1912, but that's not widely available.
I don't know if the original document (the committee minutes) still survives. I've searched ArchiveGrid and WorldCat for "Struthers family papers", etc. but haven't found anything promising. It might be worthwhile to contact The Historical Society of Pennsylvania or The Library Company of Philadelphia, who both have collections related to the Bank. —KHirsch 04:51, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

For a more skeptical take on this quote, see this article from John Carney at Business Insider, noting Henkel's involvement in the publication of the dubious “Washington's Prayer Book”. One error in that article is that the Smithsonian had not rejected the manuscript as inauthentic. The Prayer Book was one of many items in a box that the Smithsonian had rejected for exhibition, but they had not made any judgment on its authenticity. As Rubert Hughes said in his 1926 book, George Washington (Vol 1., p. 557), “Rejection of the manuscript neither implies nor excuses any suggestion of fraud in their connection. Sincerity is granted to believers in it. Forgery is not to be considered since a forger would have given at least an imitation of Washington's penmanship. And of this there is no trace.”

I don't find it all surprising that the President's more colorful language would be left out of the final report. In fact, the report says, “In some emphatic expressions his language is accurately preserved, while his numerous repetitions of the same idea in different words, which served unnecessarily to prolong the interview, have been avoided.” I still think it highly likely that the quote is genuine.

I have recently come across a lead on the Struthers Family papers—at least where they were 21 years ago. So perhaps the original document can be found and verified.

KHirsch 04:27, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

new quote making the rounds[edit]

If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking systems, there would be a revolution before morning - Andrew Jackson

Bible is the rock on which the republic rests[edit]

"That book [the Bible], Sir, is the Rock upon which our republic rests." I have seen this attributed to Jackson, but haven't seen a citation of a primary source. I will wait a decent time before including this among the "Disputed". TomS TDotO (talk) 15:38, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Could someone give me some directions about including a disputed quotation. It would be easy to produce a ton of results from Google which repeat this quotation without citation. Is that all that is wanted? TomS TDotO (talk) 16:58, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
It would be helpful to cite a source of attribution that is notable or that might reasonably be considered a reliable source. ~ Ningauble (talk) 18:08, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
This is quoted in part without citation in [Public Law 97-280]. TomS TDotO (talk) 18:36, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
We can't rely on Congress to do research. They often just submit for vote what was submitted to them, particularly on resolutions which technically have no legal effect. They are simply repeating what they heard, it's not a primary source.