Talk:Curtis Yarvin

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Design[edit]

The following I leave below for those who want to pick up this project in the unlikely event that I abandon it.

This page was created with the primary purpose of serving as a comprehensive introduction to the thought of Mencius Moldbug, and with the secondary purpose as serving as a useful reference. It is not a collection of individually interesting quotations, but a linearly structured document to be read from top to bottom. To the greatest extent possible, I have attempted to align the chronological order of the quotations with the need for instructional rhythm and structure. (The former limitation is actually quite conducive to the latter, as both are related to the author's development of his own thoughts.) At the highest level, the page proceeds from the most foundational and general ideas to more complex and particular ideas. At a finer level, the quotations alternate between general observations and principles followed by specific applications and explanations, a pattern that can be visualized where a series of short bolded quotations is followed by longer quotations. At the lowest level, each quotation anticipates, develops, or supplements the surrounding quotations. There are also humorous and provocative asides that are intended to reward and surprise the reader.

The quotations I have extracted have been selected in accordance with the following considerations: aesthetic unity, concision, eloquence, idiosyncrasy, linguistic consistency, novelty, and structural relevance. A quotation is inimical to aesthetic unity if it uses distracting wording or looks typographically disruptive. An idiosyncratic quotation serves to demonstrate the author's personality, rather than his ideas. The other criteria require no explanation.

Quotations have been altered to correct errors of spelling and wording, to promote typographic consistency, and to promote concision. Omissions are always indicated by an ellipsis placed between square brackets. (The author tends to use hyphens in place of dashes, omits the Oxford comma, and includes punctuation inside of quotation marks, tendencies which should all be corrected.) For example,

  • technical progress → technological progress
  • Marxist-Leninism → Marxism–Leninism
  • 20th-century connection → twentieth-century connection
  • I exaggerate - slightly. → I exaggerate—slightly.
  • orderly - ie, right-wing. → orderly—i.e. right-wing.
  • the word "democracy" → the word democracy

A quotation is bolded if it is short—i.e. if it is around 140 characters, or can be easily modified to be expressed in that amount—and is aphoristic or provocative. Only complete sentences should be bolded, omitting any unnecessary constructions at the beginning of the sentence, in which case the bolding should not extend to the punctuation at the end of the sentence. For example,

  • In other words, our so-called democracy is dependent not on the wisdom of the people, but on the internal power politics of the official church. [Period not bolded.]
  • We have trouble understanding the twentieth century because we grew up in it, and our brains remain contaminated with its heinous memetic baggage. [Period bolded.]

To reduce redundancy when citing sources, only the first instance of a web page needs to link to the web page and mention the date and the name of the web site. However, if a quotation appears on the same web page but at a different date, then the date should be mentioned again. For example,

  • Why conservatives never quite catch the boat, Unqualified Reservations (June 21, 2007)
  • Why conservatives never quite catch the boat
  • Why conservatives never quite catch the boat (June 22, 2007)
  • Why conservatives never quite catch the boat

--Carlylean (talk) 17:11, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2.0[edit]

In the course of editing this page, I've become aware of certain inadequacies in my method, and will restart my search for quotations from the very beginning. I will be much less liberal about altering the quotations, except to trim them in the interests of concision.--Carlylean (talk) 14:46, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The first complete chronological bibliography of all Unqualified Reservations posts[edit]

--Carlylean (talk) 16:46, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just discovered that Unqualified Reservations e-books has an even more complete list than the one I found on Moldbuggery. I guess this wasn't the first.

--Carlylean (talk) 15:29, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the list on Unqualified Reservations e-books wasn't complete at all. I've fixed the list to be the first true complete list.

--Carlylean (talk) 16:23, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Added Coda.

--Carlylean (talk) 02:16, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mencius Moldbug's external contributions[edit]

This is a nearly complete list of every contribution Mencius Moldbug has ever made outside of his own blog following his sabbatical period beginning with his appearance as John Law. When I have time, I'll expand the list to link to every single individual comment instead of just Google queries.

Excerpts, Interviews, Lectures[edit]

--Carlylean (talk) 16:46, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Updated. --Carlylean (talk) 06:27, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Various compilations[edit]

--Carlylean (talk) 09:55, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

3.0[edit]

Article 3.0 is yet another attempt to compile all the most notable quotations. The big difference is that the article will now be accompanied by a separate page for quotations that did not make the cut.

Yarvin as Quotemesiter[edit]

These quotes were assembled by Carlylean, Yarvin's name on Wikipedia. So what we have here is a collection of quotes by the man being quoted, which obviously creates a conflict of interest. Is Yarvin capable of determining which of his quotes belong on his own Greatest Hits album? I don't think so. I'm going to whittle this page down to the most representative quotes. Yarvin isn't the greatest thinker of the 21st Century despite some claims. He doesn't deserve this long a quote page. Chisme (talk) 05:19, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Carlylean is not Moldbug.Cagliost (talk) 10:16, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we have evidence one way or the other. The problem with this article lies not in whether it reflects self-interest or fan-interest, but in failing to reflect Wikiquote's purpose. As the article creator wrote above:

"This page was created with the primary purpose of serving as a comprehensive introduction to the thought of Mencius Moldbug, and with the secondary purpose as serving as a useful reference. It is not a collection of individually interesting quotations"
[emphasis in original]

This is not a collection of quotable quotes. It is an attempt to synthesize a thesis and compile reference materials. Chisme has made a start at trimming the article down, but most of what remains does not really belong here either. I would recommend a different approach to taking out the trash: begin by identifying any quotations that are actually quoted (or at least directly discussed) in reliable sources, and remove everything else.
Coverage in the mainstream press indicates he is actually notable for something beyond the dark corner of the internet he inhabits. Let us quote what he is notable for saying, and only what he is notable for saying. ~ Ningauble (talk) 13:22, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Ninguable: "Chisme has made a start at trimming the article down, but most of what remains does not really belong here either. I would recommend a different approach to taking out the trash: begin by identifying any quotations that are actually quoted (or at least directly discussed) in reliable sources, and remove everything else." I would like to BE BOLD and start from scratch. As it stands now, many of these quotes are from secondary sources (blogs in which Moldbug commented). Moreover, the citations aren't presented such that anyone can click and go to the source. And the quotes are presented in time sequence, which doesn't make sense at all. I am going to assembjle quotes and put them under descriptive headings so readers can get a better sense of Yarvin's ideas. Any objections? Chisme (talk) 19:08, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You know exactly what you've been doing. All quotes that might give the article the comedical undertones Yarvin is actually quite good at have been strategically removed. Furthermore, you have ordered the few remaining quotes in a way that suggests, he is a prolific writer on and apologist of Nazism. This is plain wrong. Vandalism. Biohistorian15 (talk) 22:06, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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