Talk:George Savile, 1st Marquess of Halifax

Sources Available

FYI: The following are available as downloadable files (PDFs):

The Complete Works of George Savile, First Marquess of Halifax (1912), ed. Sir Walter Alexander Raleigh, Clarendon Press

The life and letters of Sir George Savile, Bart., First Marquis of Halifax (1898), Volume 1, Helen Charlotte Foxcroft, Longmans, Green and Co.

The life and letters of Sir George Savile, Bart., First Marquis of Halifax (1898), Volume 2, Helen Charlotte Foxcroft, Longmans, Green and Co.

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Unless specifically noted otherwise, all quotes were sourced using The Complete Works of George Savile, First Marquess of Halifax (1912), ed. Sir Walter Alexander Raleigh, Clarendon Press

Education

Education is what remains when we have forgotten all that we have been taught.

Both The concise Columbia dictionary of Quotations (1989), ed. Robert Andrews, Columbia University Press p. 89 ISBN 0231069901 , and The Routledge dictionary of Quotations (1987), ed. Robert Andrews, Routledge p. 79 ISBN 0710207298 , attribute this quote to George Savile, Lord Halifax (1633-1695) : English statesman, author, but without citing any textual source ( Note that both collections were edited by Robert Andrews ). Note also that a slightly different version of this quote has been attributed to Albert Einstein (March 14, 1879 – April 18, 1955) : Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything one learned in school. According to The Quote Verifier : who said what, where, and when (2006), Ralph Keyes, Macmillan p. 52 ISBN 0312340044 , "Like Lincoln, Twain, Churchill, and others, Einstein has had many quotations put in his mouth by those who believe that a few words on their behalf by the world's leading genius might bolster their cause ... Since he [i.e., Einstein] himself once quoted 'a wit' [as having made this observation about 'education'], that commonplace is sometimes attributed to him and to many others as well. (The 'wit' might have been humorist Kin Hubbard (September 1, 1868 – December 26, 1930), who wrote, It's what we learn after we think we know it all that counts." Lord Halifax is still a serious possibility for the quote’s source, but so far no actual text has come to light. I think it is also worth noting in this context that this quote is not found in The Complete Works of George Savile, First Marquess of Halifax (1912), ed. Sir Walter Alexander Raleigh, Clarendon Press ; at the very least, not found by me, anyway. Archimedes (talk) 10:34, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

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• Education is what remains when we have forgotten all that we have been taught.
  • (See note on discussion page)