Talk:Ian Fleming

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Quotation elsewhere attributed to Jack London[edit]

In the Jack London Wikiquote page, <>, the quotation "I shall not waste my days in trying to prolong them. I shall use my time" is rather precisely attributed to him. I have no certain information, though, outside of Wikipedia and other not absolutely reliable Internet sources. -- 15:44, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


  • Horses are dangerous at both ends and uncomfortable in the middle.
  • Men want a woman whom they can turn on and off like a light switch.
  • A woman should be an illusion.
  • Older women are best, because they always think they may be doing it for the last time.
  • My name is Bond, James Bond.

Painting of Fleming[edit]

The Wikipedia article has a photo of Ian Fleming.[1] This photo is used under Fair Use, and, as such, is locally hosted. I suspect that Fair Use is not allowed on Wikiquote (I have not checked). The image is not available here, it would have to be uploaded.

Meanwhile, there is a painting of Fleming available on Commons.

This is clearly intended to be Fleming, and the caption says that it is Fleming, and the resemblance is strong. The painting appears to have been made from the photo used on

This painting was in the article, until an editor removed it, repeatedly. The arguments, from edit summaries, removing rhetorical excess, were:

  • AWFUL picture
  • unrepresentative image
  • It is not a depiction of Fleming
  • this image isn't Fleming, isn't even close to looking like him.

I am pinging the user, in case I have not fairly represented the arguments. SchroCat?

I propose using the painting. The arguments given are either incorrect -- this is obviously Fleming -- or are a matter of taste, in which case we will seek at least rough consensus here. --Abd (talk) 03:12, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

It's a copyright infringement that has been tagged for deletion. It's also fucking awful. - SchroCat (talk) 03:17, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Copyvio, eh? That's actually a fucking cogent argument, compared to the other AWFUL foolish, lame, pathetic bugger all the idiot came up with before. To use words from the edit summaries. Next time, how about keeping it simple? And don't revert war, discuss. Like this. Okay?
Meanwhile, looking at the Commons deletion argument, I predict deletion, the uploader seems clueless. It is a derivative work. Which, by the way, contradicts the earlier argument that this was not a depiction of Fleming. So I'll hold off on this for a bit. What if she had permission? --Abd (talk) 03:36, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  • It doesn't necessarily contradict it: the aim was to copy the picture, the result was so bad it's not a depiction of Fleming. I'll stick with it being awful and unrepresentative image too - especially the latter. I doubt she had permission: she would have said that, I think, rather than "heck, let's go for it", or whatever she said. - SchroCat (talk) 03:42, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure what's so terrible about the picture, but maybe I have low standards. Separately, if this image isn't free and we're going to use it anyway, there's nothing keeping us from using the original photo, is there? Ekips39 (talk) 23:54, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure we are going to use it? The original photo isn't free, and I'm not sure of the position of non-free images here: the justification for having them is quite low - probably too low. - SchroCat (talk) 00:19, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
A look at m:Non-free content#Wikiquote shows that Wikiquote has no non-free image policy; d:Q4657739 (the Wikidata item for fair use policies) confirms it. I also notice that Wikiquote:Copyrights is a draft policy and does not mention files. Ekips39 (talk) 02:02, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
I raised the issue earlier today at:Wikiquote:Village_pump#Fair_Use_on_Wikiquote. --Abd (talk) 02:16, 28 January 2015 (UTC)