Talk:Islam and Sikhism

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I removed these quotes because I found them non-notable:

• Having lifted Islam to the head, You have engulfed Hindustan in dread....
  Such cruelties have they inflicted, and yet Your mercy remains unmoved....
  Should the strong attack the strong the heart does not burn. But when the strong crush the helpless, surely the One who was to protect them has to be called to account....
  O' Lord, these dogs have destroyed this diamond-like Hindustan, (so great is their terror that) no one asks after those who have been killed, and yet You do not pay heed...
  • Guru Granth Sahib, quoted in Arun Shourie, "The Litmus Test of Whether Your History is Secular" [1]

• "Hindus have been forbidden to pray at the time of the Muslim's namaz, Hindusociety has been left without a bath, without a tilak. Even those who have never uttered "Ram", even they can get no respite by shouting "Khuda, Khuda"....
  The few who have survived Babar's jails wail.... The desolation which has come over the land.... The entire races which have been exterminated, which have been humiliated..."
  • Guru Granth Sahib, quoted in Arun Shourie, "The Litmus Test of Whether Your History is Secular" [2]

• Sri Aurobindo, for one, insisted on the radically different spirit in Sikhism as compared with Islam: 'Those ways of Indian cult which most resemble a popular form of Theism, are still something more; for they do not exclude, but admit the many aspects of God. (...) The later religious forms which most felt the impress of the Islamic idea, like Nanak's worship of the timeless One, Akla, and the reforming creeds of today, born under the influence of the West, yet draw away from the limitations of western or Semitic monotheism. Irresistibly they turn from these infantile conceptions towards the fathomless truth of Vedanta.'
  • Sri Aurobindo: Foundations of Indian Culture, p.135, quoted in Koenraad Elst, Ayodhya: The Case Against the Temple (2002)

• The details of atrocities committed on Sikhs and Hindus given in these pages are not full or even a fairly large proportion of what actually befell. They are only representative episodes of what happened in a few villages and towns all over West Punjab and other West Pakistan areas. Imagine such things happening in thousands upon thousands of villages and hundreds of towns, and you will then be able to take in the proportions somewhat close to what the reality was-which, in the last analysis must, however, remain inexpressible in its full horror. The facts drawn upon are statements of sufferers of these horrors, recorded from complaints made to the authorities, from reliable press reports and from statements recorded with scrupulous fidelity and signed by those who made them, in the refugee camps in East Punjab.
  • Gurbachan Singh Talib, Muslim League Attack on the Sikhs and Hindus in Punjab, 1947 (1950)

• All these happenings occurred at a time when in India, Mahatma Gandhi undertook his last fast to get better treatment for the Indian Muslims. That was the response in Pakistan to the Mahatma's gesture, and the faithfully carrying out of the Mahatma's instructions by Hindus and Sikhs. Exactly when Delhi was being made safe for Muslims, in Karachi 800 Sikhs were massacred, and all Hindus looted and despoiled, had to move into refugee camps.
  • Gurbachan Singh Talib, Muslim League Attack on the Sikhs and Hindus in Punjab, 1947 (1950)

• In another letter, which he wrote to his contemporary Muslim magnates ran as follows: “My real object is the establishment of jihãd against the Sikhs of the Punjab and not to stay in the countries of Afghanistan and Yagistan. The long-haired infidels who have seized sovereignty over Punjab are very experienced, clever and deceitful… The ill-natured Sikhs and the ill-fated polytheists have gained control over the Western parts of India from the banks of Indus to the capital city of Delhi.”
  • Goel, S. R. (1995). Muslim separatism: Causes and consequences.

• To resume the story, Barelvi’s confidence in a jihãd against the British collapsed when he surveyed the extent and the magnitude of British power in India. He did the next best under the circumstances, and declared a jihãd against the Sikh power in the Punjab, Kashmir and the North-West Frontier. The British on their part welcomed this change and permitted Barelvi to travel towards the border of Afghanistan at a leisurely pace, collecting money and manpower along the way. It was during this journey that Barelvi stayed with or met several Hindu princes, feigned that his fulminations against the Sikhs were a fake, and that he was going out of India in order to establish a base for fighting against the British. It is surmised that some Hindu princes took him at his word, and gave him financial help. To the Muslim princes, however, he told the truth, namely, that he was up against the Sikhs because they “do not allow the call to prayer from mosques and the killing of cows.”
  Barelvi set up his base in the North-West Frontier near Afghanistan. The active assistance he expected from the Afghan king did not materialise because that country was in a mess at that time. But the British connived at the constant flow not only of a sizable manpower but also of a lot of finance. Muslim magnates in India were helping him to the hilt. His basic strategy was to conquer Kashmir before launching his major offensive against the Punjab. But he met with very little success in that direction in spite of several attempts. Finally, he met his Waterloo in 1831 when the Sikhs under Kunwar Sher Singh stormed his citadel at Balakot. The great mujãhid fell in the very first battle he ever fought. His corpse along with that of his second in command was burnt, and the ashes were scattered in the winds. Muslims hail him as a shahîd.
  The scattered remnants of the Wahabis fought a few more skirmishes with the Sikhs. But they also met with no success.
  • Goel, S. R. (1995). Muslim separatism: Causes and consequences.

• In 1675 Aurangzeb tortured Guru Tegh Bahadur, because he resisted the forcible conversion of Hindus in Kashmir. Aurangzeb destroyed thereafter many Sikh gurudwaras.
  • Goel, S. R. (2001). The story of Islamic imperialism in India.

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The NPOV tag has been on the article for 6 months with no comment on the talkpage on why the NPOV tag is there. Most of the quotes are from Guru Nanak or the Granth Sahib anyway, and if the holy book of the Sikhs is not neutral there is nothing one can do (but the quotes do actually have different point of views). The remedy for an overabundance of quotations chosen to reflect positively or negatively on someone or something is to add some which counter this. This has not been done during this time. This article has less than 7 page views in a week (half of them probably from me), so it does not matter so much, but 6 months is long enough to add quotes with other pov, so I am removing the tag now. --ΞΔΞ (talk) 16:14, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

The problem still is not solved. --Xsaorapa (talk) 15:09, 27 May 2020 (UTC)