Talk:Kafir

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  • But merely refraining from befriending and associating with kafirs is not enough. Enmity against the enemies of Allah and the Prophet is a duty incumbent upon every Muslim, declare the ulema. In the Fatawa-i-Rizvia the fatwas on kafirs are grouped under the heading, ‘Nafrat ke Ahkam’ — the ‘Ordinances of Hatred.’ Anyone to whom the struggle between Islam and kufr is ‘just a quarrel between clerics’ is himself a kafir: he is out of Islam, his wives are out of his nikah, declare the fatwas.
    • Fatawa-i-Rizvia cited in Arun Shourie - The World of Fatwas Or The Sharia in Action (2012, Harper Collins)[citation needed]
  • ‘And among these Kafirs too there are gradations,’ declares the Fatawa-i-Rizvia in its Nafrat ke Ahkam, the Ordinances of Hatred. ‘One hard kind of basic kufr is Christianity; worse than it is Magianism; worse than that is idolatry; worse than that is Wahabiyat; and worse than all these and more wicked is Deobandiyat.’
    • Fatawa-i-Rizvia cited in Arun Shourie - The World of Fatwas Or The Sharia in Action (2012, Harper Collins)[citation needed]
  • A Kafir cannot be better than a Muslim under any circumstances. A Muslim is better than Kafirs in all circumstances.
  • To the Muslims, a Hindu (and any non-Muslim) is a Kafir. A Kafir (non-believer in Islam) is not worthy of respect. He is a low born and without status. That is why a country ruled by the kafir (non-muslim) is a ‘Dar ul harb’ (i.e. the land of war) to a Muslim, which must be conquered, by any means for the Muslims and turned into ‘Dar ul Islam’ (i.e., land of Muslims alone). (p. 301)
    • BR Ambedkar, Pakistan or The Partition of India (1946)
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  • ‘Kafir’ is derived from the word ‘kufr’, which means to conceal or to reject. In Islamic terminology, ‘Kafir’ means one who conceals or rejects the truth of Islam and a person who rejects Islam is in English called a ‘non-Muslim’. If a ‘non-Muslim’ considers being called a ‘non-Muslim’ or ‘Kafir’, which are one and the same, an abuse, it is due to his misunderstanding about Islam. He or she needs to reach out to proper sources of understanding Islam and Islamic terminology, and not only will he not feel abused but appreciate Islam in the proper perspective.
Deletion reason was "Can't verify". But in fact it is not required that a source must be available online.
  • “Being kafir is a defect in both ghulam and bandi as by nature the Musalman detests to associate with or keep company of a kafir.”
    • Ashraf-ul-Hidayah, Deoband, VIII, 138-39. quoted from K.S. Lal Slave system in medieval india, 1994.
Ashraf-ul-Hidayah is an important Commentary of the Hidayah by a Hanafi Scholar from the Indian Sub Continent.

Rupert Loup 16:54, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

The quotes are properly sourced and verifiable. Quotes need only to be sourced and verifiable. There is no wikiquote policy that mandates any additional requirements. In addition, some of these quotes come from sources that are available online and anybody is able to find and lookup in less than a minute. Deleting quotes on a false basis borders on vandalism. --დამოკიდებულება (talk) 09:54, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Undiscussed page move[edit]

From Talk:Qur%27an_on_non-Muslims#Undiscussed_page_move

This is a large and long standing article that was moved without any discussion to the title Kafir. Such pages should not be moved without discussion and consensus.

One major problem is that this limits the scope of the article. Non-Muslims are not only called by the word Kafir in the Quran.

None of the quotes in the Quran section even mention the word Kafir (except maybe in the Arab original).

Non-Muslims are also called by many other words or the mention is only implicit.

One version of the article says the quotes include quotes on Munafiq too.

This is one of a series of undiscussed page moves.