Talk:Patton (film)

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Accuracy concerns[edit]

I notice the article is semi-correctly citing the movie, but Patton's 2nd biographer (below) quotes huge portions (nearly all) of the material within as originating from Pattons Papers via his chief of staff. The material is presented in the book as part of a standard speech that Patton used in front of his individual units to inspire dedication, et. al.

Contrary to the movie given impression, Pattons men, even when he commanded armies (7th, 3rd) knew Patton, as he made it a rule to visit each unit in turn and give this speech. The biographer also cites the part that was left out of the movie. Part of that was used in another scene.

  • His first biographer also covered much of the material.
  • It is noteworthy that the producer of the film was General Marshall's Chief of Staff
  • Of further interest, was the censure after the Slapping Spat would not have been full disgrace, but instead was considered to have him back to the states for 2-4 months with every intention of sending him back to combat. Ike and Marshall did decide should not and would never recieve command of an Army-Group (Monty, Bradley), or Bradley would have been in command of an Army working for Patton, as in Sicilly. The breakout would probably have been far more effective in bagging a larger part of the Germany army when it did occur, as Bradley loathed Monty and did not work well with him.
  • Contrary to the movie, Patton and Monty had great respect for one another, and Monty wanted Patton to take Messina.
  • This becomes clearer knowing Bradley was the Senior Advisor on the Movie project, though by then he had a bone to pick with Patton for comments about Bradley in Pattons papers.
  • A Genius For War, Carlo D'este, HC, 977pp; HarperCollins, NYC, NY; 1995; ISBN:0-06-016455-7

I can scan and email the relevant pages or whatever. or at wikipedia user:fabartus MyTalk 05:40, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm placing a clean and accuracy template here hoping you have the equivilent (so this gets seen)
best regards 05:40, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Copyright issue[edit]

It's against Wikiquote policy to include the entire text of a speech. If the source material is copyrighted, it's a clear copyright violation, and if not, it belongs in Wikisource. (I'm pretty sure the first case is true here.) Wikiquote should include only pithy excerpts of speeches. I'd like to ask readers of this article to review the full speech and trim it to some essential quotes so that we don't have to remove it completely. Thank you. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 09:18, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if I erred. I thought it would be better on Wikiquote than Wikipedia. I'm not sure if the version that I moved is the version that Patton actually delivered or the version from the film (or if there is a difference between the two). If it's the original speech, it's hard to imagine it being copyrighted (although it would have to be moved to the actual Patton article). Savidan 17:47, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Don't worry too much about it; it's a common misunderstanding. I don't know myself whether the cited text is the original, the film version, or someone's best recall of either. Since I watch the film periodically, I'll give this text an accuracy pass the next time I do. (George's article will have to fend for itself.) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:35, 22 March 2006 (UTC)