Talk:Revolution of Dignity

Conspiracy theories

@Ficaia: I'm new to this project, but having some experience at Wikipedia, I know that "mainstream media" are considered "reliable sources" there. To pick two quotes by somebody who summarily attacks "mainstream media" seems like supporting conspiracy theories. Rsk6400 (talk) 17:42, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

I just moved the quotes here from Russia, as that page was overloaded with long political quotes. Ficaia (talk) 18:04, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, but after looking at WQ:Q and WQ:Wikiquote, I don't see why the Yanukovych quotes are worth quoting. w:Andreas Kappeler, Swiss professor emeritus of East European history at Vienna university calls his régime "kleptocratic", and other mainstream experts use similar expressions to describe him or his government. Rsk6400 (talk) 07:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

I took the Yanukovych quotes directly from the Wikipedia article. I would also note that 'quotable' material is not always reliable. Ficaia (talk) 08:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Surplus

• The sniper killings of police and protesters in Maidan [Ukraine] on February 21, 2014 brought the crisis to a new head. This violence overlapped with, and eventually terminated, a negotiated settlement of the struggle brokered by EU members that would have ended the violence, created an interim government, and required elections by December. The accelerated violence ended this transitional plan, which was replaced by a coup takeover along with the forced flight of Victor Yanukovich. There is credible evidence that the sniper shootings of both protesters and police were carried out by a segment of the protesters in a false-flag operation that worked exceedingly well, “government” violence serving as one ground for the ouster of Yanukovich. Most telling was the intercepted phone message between Estonia’s Minister of Foreign Affairs, Urmas Paet, and EU Foreign Policy chief Catherine Upton, in which Paet regretfully reported compelling evidence that the shots killing both police and protesters came from a segment of the protesters. This account was almost entirely suppressed in the MSM... There is also every reason to believe that the coup and establishment of a right-wing and anti-Russian government were encouraged and actively supported by U.S. officials.
  • Edward S. Herman in War is Our Business and Business Looks Good, Z Magazine (28 June 2014)

• It is enlightening to see how pugnacious the U.S. establishment...has been in dealing with the Ukraine crisis. The crisis arguably began when the Yanukovich government rejected an EU bailout program in favor of one offered by Russia. The mainstream media (MSM) have virtually suppressed the fact that the EU proposal was not only less generous than the one offered by Russia, but that, whereas the Russian plan did not preclude further Ukrainian deals with the EU, the EU plan would have required a cut-off of further Russian arrangements. And whereas the Russian deal had no military clauses, that of the EU required that Ukraine affiliate with NATO. Insofar as the MSM dealt with this set of offers, they not only suppressed the exclusionary and militarized character of the EU offer, they tended to view the Russian deal as an improper use of economic leverage, “bludgeoning,” but the EU proposal was “constructive and reasonable” (Ed., NYT, November 20, 2014). Double standards seem to be fully internalized within the U.S. establishment. The protests that ensued in Ukraine were surely based in part on real grievances against a corrupt government, but they were also pushed along by right-wing groups and by U.S. and allied encouragement and support that increasingly had an anti-Russian and pro-accelerated regime change flavor.
  • Edward S. Herman in War is Our Business and Business Looks Good, Z Magazine (28 June 2014)