Talk:Social justice

POV quotes

The follow quotes had been removed citing WQ:NPOV, please discuss here if they should be in this article.

• In short, “social justice” is code for good things no one needs to argue for—and no one dare be against.
  • Jonah Goldberg, What is Social Justice?. (Mar 24, 2014), Prager University.

• [W]e do not believe that there could ever exist a state with lasting inner health if it is not built on internal social justice.
  • Adolf Hitler "Why We Are Anti-Semites", August 15, 1920 speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus. Hitler gave this speech a number of times in August of 1920 to members of the National Socialist German Workers Party. Speech also known as "Why Are We Anti-Semites?" Translated from Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte, 16. Jahrg., 4. H. (Oct., 1968), pp. 390-420. Edited by Carolyn Yeager. [1]

• In the era of the Jewish capitalistic and class mania stands the National Socialist peoples' State like a rock of social justice and clear reason which will not only survive this war, but even the coming millennium.
  • Adolf Hitler, Address to the Reichstag (4 May 1941)

• [I promise] the creation of a socially just state, a model society that would continue to eradicate all social barriers.
  • Adolf Hitler, speech to workers at Berlin’s Rheinmetall-Borsig factory, Oct. 10, 1940. Published in Götz Aly, Hitler’s Beneficiaries: Plunder, Racial War, and the Nazi Welfare State, New York: NY, Metropolitan Books, 2007, p. 13.

. Rupert Loup 07:24, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

The Goldberg quote is the POV of Goldberg, the Hitler quotes are the POV of Hitler. All are social justice related. All are appropriate for this page. --2001:8003:412B:6300:E006:F7A5:ADCB:76BA 08:02, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

WQ:NPOV specifies "there are limits to which points of view are worth mentioning, and this can be an area of conflict." Which quotes are included is determined by consensus. ~ Peter1c (talk) 18:18, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree, and note that it also says "Quotations included in Wikiquote do not need to conform to NPOV, as they are reflections of the point-of-view of the quoted individual". A critical quote from a mainstream conservative belongs on the page. The ravings of a genocidal maniac do not. DougHill (talk) 20:04, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

The source was not there, I addded the correct source. Rupert Loup 20:18, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. DougHill (talk) 21:26, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

D.R. Bhandari

@Peter1c: what do you mean by "no evidence of notability" on D.R. Bhandari? Rupert Loup 20:13, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi User:Rupert Loup, I meant there was no link to Wikipedia article for the source of the quote. Also, it was unclear if cited source is a peer-reviewed publication. This quote also describes the view of Plato, and it would be better to quote Plato's views directly. For quotes like this, that describe the view of a notable figure like Plato, it is helpful if the description comes from a highly notable source. If there's no Wikipedia article on this author, I would argue that he may not be notable enough to justify the inclusion of this kind of quote. Does this make sense? I am enjoying working together with you on Wikiquote, and of course if you feel strongly about this quote I will not insist on my position. Best regards, ~ Peter1c (talk) 21:33, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

The quote is been cited in Social justice#History, it meets ((w|WP:RS}} standars and was republished by the Boston University. I agree with that the original statement of Plato would be better, but given that it's not in the article yet I don't see the reason for the deletion. I'm deleting the image though since I concur with that it hasn't enough weight. I also enjoy working with you and I'm grateful for your work here. Rupert Loup 23:16, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

I think that I agree with you, although his works can be found and are cited by reliable sources, there is almost no information about him. I will going to revert my edit now. Rupert Loup 17:31, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Excessive obscure quotes and pov pushing

These quotes

Amitabh Behar, as quoted in Wealth of India's richest 1% more than 4-times of total for 70% poorest: Oxfam, Livemint

(who is of doubtful notability, he has no wikipedia page) were recently added , the quotes are obscure and only published once in a news blog. (Livemeint blog, no wikipedia page about Livemint)

The quote is also in about 10 other wikiquote articles.

This is a high level article. This article should have more quotes from books, rather than websites or newspapers, that have timeless quotability. --დამოკიდებულება (talk) 10:25, 3 October 2020 (UTC)