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Massinissa of the Rif[edit]

(Sorry for my english, i'm french) Hello. I think someone have to read Massinissa of the Rif. This page will be (perhaps) deleted on WP:fr : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion:Massinissa_du_Rif/Admissibilit%C3%A9 and has benne deleted on Wp:en : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Massinissa_of_the_Rif I think the subject is a joke with a spam on many wiki, as here. Cheers. Arroser (talk) 01:29, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing this out - I have reviewed and nominated the page for deletion. ~ UDScott (talk) 14:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help in creating new wikiquote pages for films[edit]

Hello @UDScott,

Happy holidays! I admire your contributions to the English Wikiquote. I'm eager to delve into other sections, specifically films and literary works, and believe you're the ideal person to guide me. How can I initiate this process? Where should I begin gathering sources? Would it be possible for you to mentor me?

I eagerly await your response.

Warm regards. Ebubechukwu1 (talk) 17:37, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I can offer some support and help. The first place I would send you is Help:Starting a new page - which is an easy way to create new pages that automatically places the correct template on the new page for you to begin working with. This should help reduce any necessary cleanup of your new pages as you create them. As for sources, the best is the film or literary work itself. Users often use sites like imdb, but be forewarned that such sites are not always 100% accurate - and they often do not have quotes in the exact order in which they appear in a film. ALso, be mindful of the number of quotes from a film that you include - not everything needs to be quoted (and see WQ:Limits on quotations for some guidance on how many to include). Once you get started, I can offer some more specific suggestions as appropriate, based on your additions. Good luck! ~ UDScott (talk) 14:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Need some help.[edit]

Incredibly unrelated but could you please tell this user (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bbb23) to unblock me, I've sent a unblock request. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:2603:6000:B800:EB4:31C8:BE4:7D2A:305A# (Side note I sent this to another person so if he gets a similar message regarding this then please state beforehand that any spam attempt was not intended.) 2603:6000:B800:EB4:31C8:BE4:7D2A:305A 21:27, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I have nothing to do with any blocks on Wikipedia. I suggest you take it up there. ~ UDScott (talk) 11:52, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please return Draft:Jenny Bryan[edit]

Please return Draft:Jenny Bryan. I was half-way through working on it, and thought that, similarly to wikipedia draft space was the place to do so. Is that not the case? Newystats (talk) 08:29, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've undeleted it - sorry it did not have the appearance of a legitimate page, but yes you are correct, draft space is for working on not-yet-ready pages. ~ UDScott (talk) 14:01, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marco Polo needs help[edit]

I need help linking my French Wikiquote page with those of other languages, would you please help me?

this is the page [1]--Lecorbursier2 (talk) 13:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I was wondering if I could use my Wikiquote contributions for the purposes of political campaign fundraising or whether that would somehow be considered paid editing despite none of the money going to me. Paid editing is something I would like to know the definition of and how it differs from receiving financial benefit. For example, if you make residuals from having worked on a film, would it be paid editing to make changes to the wikiquote page for that film? If you work for a corporation isn't it a conflict of interest if you added nothing but negative quotes to the page for that corporation's main competitor? What if you're the mayor of a city, can you make edits to the page for that city? What if a family member benefits financially from your edits, like a mayor that benefits from the work of their child editing about their city, it seems pretty extreme to forbid people from editing certain topics because of circumstances beyond their control. Does being imprisoned for your edits count as a form of payment, it does result in food and shelter you might not otherwise have?
From my present, largely uninformed, point of view a strict definition of paid editing would effectively prevent scientists from writing about their areas of expertise and it would prevent most government employees from writing about pretty much anything, because it seems like pretty much everything has become politicized at this point. Is Wikiquote supposed to be like how the Olympics used to be, where only amateur athletes but not professional athletes were allowed to compete?
Maybe this is a better question for the village pump, but I'd prefer an answer from someone who knows what they are talking about because they enforce this rule, so I figure I'd ask you or at least ask to speak to another administrator who does enforce this rule. I know this is a lot of questions to ask at once, but I don't want to get banned because I felt like doing charity and right now that's what I'm afraid of, amongst other things. Am I not supposed to have any friends as a Wikiquote editor, because it feels like I don't have any and I'm starting to wonder if I'm even allowed to have them if I'm forbidden from going to a restaurant with them because it looks too much like I'm taking a bribe. This website has left me feeling alienated and I would appreciate some clarification from an administrator that doesn't self-identify as an anarchist and ignores all the rules anyways, that way I can at least decide whether continuing to edit is worth the isolation, if indeed that is the cost of editing. CensoredScribe (talk) 15:25, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not quite sure that I can fully answer your questions (or that I have the knowledge or weight to properly do so), but regarding your first statements regarding using Wikiquote contributions in order to politically fundraise, I would say that is not a proper use of the site. As to your other points that everyone in some way, large or small, probably has some level of conflict of interest with respect to the pages they edit or how they edit them. This is also why it is good to have third=party, independent sources, especially for living people. If such a conflict (especially more direct ones) is made known, then it is likely that an editor would be questioned on this and their edits would be scrutinized with skepticism. I don't think a site such as Wikiquote can govern out all of these conflicts - that would just be too unwieldy - but to the extent that any strong conflict of interest is known, we can try to remain vigilant for obvious bias. That's all we can do. Sorry, not sure if my answers help or not - I would encourage you to open these questions to a larger audience, but perhaps in a more general sense (I wouldn't open with a desire to use Wikiquote to further political campaigns). ~ UDScott (talk) 19:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for answering my question, I will leave out the part about political fundraising, I'm glad I have an official excuse not to include Wikiquote in the process, as some might think that I, or they themselves, have some kind of obligation to do so.
I thought a political group might have been a good choice for organizing an editathon to improve Wikiquote, similar to the ones I've seen advertised on university campuses for addressing Wikipedia's gender disparities, but I don't think political campaigners have a lot of free time around the elections. University students don't normally have a lot of free time either which is why I found Wikipedia asking for outside assistance from new editors in increasing their coverage of famous women little more than a desperate plea for help and an admission of having a problem they can't take care of on their own by creating a safe environment that more women are interested in being part of. I imagine there's an ethnicity gap in both editors and coverage, as well as the gender gap, but that issue isn't talked about as much because it starts to sound racist when Wikipedia breaks down it's editors by their blood quantum.
Students don't have time to help Wikipedia or #SheSaid create greater gender parity for the coverage of every conceivable topic when their reproductive rights are at stake, if you want to address the lack of Wikipedia editors that identify as female than do a campaign about reproductive rights. I guarantee that is a topic students will find time for, because if they don't, they might end up finding lots of free time, in jail.
I would still appreciate an answer on whether jail counts as a form of payment for edits because if it does than wouldn't being a slave count as paid editing? Aren't shackles a form of payment? What about human trafficking transportation costs? If I think another editor is using forced labor to edit, should I even bother to report it if it's not even a violation of our rules? Wikipedia says nothing about using slave labor being against the rules either, even though it could happen on a Wiki just as easily as it happens on major dating websites as part of Pig Butchering Schemes.
I think it's messed up that I feel that I have to ask this community for clarification as to what kind of person I am allowed to date to avoid being banned for bribery or what jobs I am allowed to work and continue to edit the pages that interest me. I have seen no other editor ever ask these permissions. CensoredScribe (talk) 17:15, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Family Guy Season 8 Quotes[edit]

Hello, since you disallowed “unapproved” users from editing the page for Family Guy’s eighth season, I’m just here to ask you why you’re so adamant about the nonsensical “only two quotes per episode” rule for that specific page when LITERALLY ALL THE OTHER FAMILY GUY PAGES HAVE BROKEN THIS RULE!!! 2603:7000:1200:825A:C40:B47A:C353:6B90 17:15, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I'm in the process of looking at all the other season pages - and either trimming them or posting a copyright notice to signify that they need to be trimmed. By the way, it is based on WQ:LOQ. Thanks. ~ UDScott (talk) 17:16, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that rule is BS. As long as it’s not the entire script it should be fine. And what “copyright notice”? Is Fox really going to take this wiki to court over this? 2603:7000:1200:825A:C40:B47A:C353:6B90 17:23, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually the reason for the limit being established was because of concerns about using too much copyrighted material that could result in the site being shut down - it happened in the past for other wikiquotes sites. The copyright notice is on the talk page for each of the pages where there were too many quotes. ~ UDScott (talk) 17:28, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’m sorry I bothered you, and that I came off too brash. I didn’t realize the copyright law to be that serious. I’ll leave you alone own 2603:7000:1200:825A:C40:B47A:C353:6B90 17:33, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It’s been nine days, and I can’t help but notice noticed the other pages still haven’t been trimmed. Season 18’s “The Movement” still has all of the quotes I added from the Family Guy Wiki. 2603:7000:1200:825A:F0A3:B335:9F3F:2B11 17:06, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So far all I've had time to do is to tag them as needing to be trimmed, in the hopes that others might perform some of the trimming. There are many parts of the project that need work and I've been working in other areas. Feel free to take on the trimming if you'd like - it would be a big help. ~ UDScott (talk) 17:45, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, show me an example of a page being blocked because of too much “copyrighted material”. I assure it never happened before, and it never will happen, especially because the other Family Guy pages have broken this rule and absolutely nothing is being done with them. 2600:1017:B835:BE2:C889:D83F:2BB:361A 13:43, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You guys are really starting to piss me off. Why do you care so fucking much about just one Family Guy page when there’s literally dozens of other pages that have broken this “rule” and have faced absolutely no consequences whatsoever? 2603:7000:1200:825A:5DC2:D5A8:DB8D:58ED 15:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not that we don't care about other pages, it's that there's just not enough time on the day to get to them all in a timely manner. This one keeps showing up on the radar because you and others keep adding way to many quotes to it. I am trying to go through the other season's pages now to trim them as well. And there are a lot of other pages that need attention for this issue as well - we'll try to get to them as we are able. ~ UDScott (talk) 15:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I hate to say it, but I kind of agree with him in a sense. He may have been irrational in his words, but he does bring up some points. Two episodes per quote is too few in my opinion, and what if there’s a memorable quote someone wants to post but can’t because there’s already two quotes for the episode? You may say that it’s because there’s risk of the site being shut down if too much copyrighted material is posted, but that’s never happened as far as I can tell. Besides, you’re not the only one who treats the Family Guy Seasons 8 and 9 pages very seriously with this rule, but it seems everyone is basically outright ignoring the other pages, and even pages for other shows. Long ago, I anonymously added the entire story of how Debbie Grund was killed to the page on King of the Hill's fourth season, and last I checked, no one has deleted it. I get you’re a busy man, and maybe so are the other people on this site, but either we enforce this rule consistently, or we significantly relax, if not out right abolish it. Which one is it? Playland1998 (talk) 16:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why take unnecessary chances? We have to minimize the amounts of quotes lest any copyright owner take legal action against Wikiquote, even if in the unlikely event it never happens. 100.8.243.246 03:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Basically the problem here is that the people in this website aren’t truly practicing what they preach. If it was just you and no one else taking it seriously, it’d be one thing. You are a busy man after all. But it’s only those two specific pages that have the most restrictions from other people, while everything else is just left alone. It’s just not fair and it’s so frustrating.Playland1998 (talk) 20:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, it’s EXTREMELY unlikely that copyright owners will EVER take legal action. All those other pages have too many quotes and nothing is ever done to them. And not once were they ever taken down! 2603:7000:1200:825A:486B:6BFD:CAF5:26E1 23:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WQ generally[edit]

Hi UDScott, I thought to pose some three of the most venerable users here an important question I just can't seem to figure out: why do you think, WQ has such an horrendous page rank on most search engines? Why wouldn't e.g. a very expansive WQ article on a relatively niche intellectual always top a short and potentially skewed WP article? Indeed, I think, especially for controversial leaders from historical scientific, religious and or politics, having a representative WQ entry is much more insightful than the overly curated alternative. What might be the exact reason for this very noticeable skew? Do you also believe that, maybe, the aforementioned inclusion of certain figures' exact quotes, from politically incorrect up to and including borderline defamatory, has - rightly or not - lead to the actual WMF, well, somehow hardcoding this inferior status into the platform regardless of quality? Any clarification would be extremely helpful! Biohistorian15 (talk) 14:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I have wondered this myself over the years - I know that Wikipedia usually shows up pretty high in any google search, but I always have to add to the search to get it to pull up wikiquote. Unfortunately, I do not know the answers to your queries. I don't think it is based on how expansive a given WQ page is , nor the quality of said page. So I do suspect it is something in the algorithms used (or even hard coded), but I don;t really have any factual insights to offer. I do think it's a good question to ask - perhaps at a higher level than just on here. ~ UDScott (talk) 14:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see. Thanks for your swift reply! I suppose I could always ask this over at the Wikiquote Village Pump, but other than that I don't really know of any person - other than some WMF staffer and or, maybe, Steward (*both unlikely to actually answer me lol) - in particular. Do you perhaps? Biohistorian15 (talk) 15:10, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Teratoma[edit]

I was hoping we could discuss a way to save this article, in a smaller form, and I figure your talk page would be a better place than the VFD page.
I don't talk to other editors much because most of the time I'm working on my next contribution, but my recent contributions have become very technical, so right now I'd appreciate having a conversation with someone using regular language and not a bunch of biology terminology like cell lines and genes, which all sound like serial numbers. Ottawahitech seems to want to talk to me for some reason, but doesn't seem very interested in contributing time to the pages we have for reproductive health topics, outside of the occasional brief news story; I have yet to see them quoting from a Wikipedia reference or a science journal. I believe this article is no worse than Use of fetal tissue in vaccine development, which isn't saying much because that article needed help from someone else. I don't see cell lines other than HeLa having their own Wikiquote pages, however I think it's a different situation with individual genes which are written about to much greater extents. Given this is a disease that can spread to every part of the body, it's going to involve a lot of medical terminology, it might even be the most difficult to understand medical topic on Wikipedia. CensoredScribe (talk) 17:28, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I stated in the nomination for VFD, I do not believe that anything on the page is truly memorable or quotable (and I do not believe we should be a repository for material from textbooks or scientific journals). I just went through and reviewed the quotes on the page and I still feel this is the case. I could perhaps see an argument to be made about maybe up to 3 of them. For example:
From Knoepfler P (2021-01-14). "What is a teratoma? Research & treatment". The Niche.
  • Because teratoma are germ cell tumors, they often arise in the locations where you’d find normal germ cells: the testes and ovaries. More rarely they can occur elsewhere in the body and it’s thought that these teratoma occur in part because of germ cells being in the wrong place, perhaps due to a glitch much earlier during embryonic development.
  • Tumors and cancers often have names ending in “oma”. This suffix oma means tumor or cancer. The “terat” part of the teratoma name comes from the Greek word “teras” meaning monster. So “teratoma” literally means “monster tumor.” It is thought that the name was given because, frankly, teratoma look so disturbing and weird when cut open give the array of tissue types in them, sometimes including teeth.
And perhaps this, from CNN:
  • A hunter tracking down a mountain lion has stumbled upon a biological mystery.
    Fish and Game officials say a male mountain lion involved in an attack on a dog near Preston, Idaho, was killed last week near the Utah border.
    What the hunter discovered after examining the corpse can only be described as bizarre, even monstrous.
    A photo released Thursday by Idaho Fish and Game shows the big cat had another set of fully-formed teeth and whiskers growing out of the top of its head. Wildlife officials say they have never seen a deformity like that – but have offered up several theories.
    They say it’s possible the teeth could be the remnants of a conjoined twin that died in the womb and was absorbed into the other fetus. They then grew on their own.
    Another explanation is a so-called “teratoma” tumor. This type of abnormality, whose Greek name translates to “monster tumor,” can grow teeth and hair. In humans, it can grow fingers and toes.
    • Artemis Moshtaghian (January 11, 2016). "Deformed Mountain Lion a mystery". CNN.
In general, I would suggest for this and other similar topics that a good rule of thumb is if the quote could be easily understood by laymen and even better, if it is from a non-technical source. And as you mentioned it here and on VP, I also believe there are many other pages that could use some trimming of highly technical quotes as well, including the pages you mentioned (plus a whole swath of pages on very specific chemistry topics taken from textbooks).
~ UDScott (talk) 22:30, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I asked myself, what did I add to teratoma that was actually memorable and not just a textbook definition of the disease or a generic warning about stem cells, and I struggled to come up with an answer. The particular genes being talked about might as well be a barcode for a product, I'm not going to argue with you about this page being largely indecipherable to most, myself included, and little more than a bio-sci shopping list. I'm fine with this page being 98% smaller, but we do need some version of it still and I think a few of the intros and the conclusions are worth including. I was expecting this to be fairly easy to understand, like cloning, but I got lost in the details. CensoredScribe (talk) 00:07, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at these references again, there's a few things here that are worth repeating, like the Danzer reference on the differences between imaging technologies and the McDonald reference on disease modeling. The summarizing textbook sections that explain frequency and gender and age disparities are also helpful; Wikiquote has pages that consist of different but largely overlapping dictionary definitions, textbooks also tend to overlap. CensoredScribe (talk) 22:39, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help needed[edit]

Hello, since you've been quite helpful so far... might I ask if you could, somehow, link my most recent new article as a translation to https://it.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bertrand_de_Jouvenel Biohistorian15 (talk) 11:18, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I'm not quite sure what you are asking. Did you want to post the quotes from that page here, on his page? Or did you simply wish to link to that page from here? ~ UDScott (talk) 11:30, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, I mean... I guess I should have clicked translation on the original article and added my stuff instead of setting up an entire new article. Biohistorian15 (talk) 12:46, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind, I got it. Sorry. Biohistorian15 (talk) 12:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Page protection for Despicable Me (film)[edit]

Keeps getting vandalized or edited in an unconstructive manner Dronebogus (talk) 11:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y Done ~ UDScott (talk) 12:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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