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  • "The French have no sense of humor or irony. The last truly funny comedian to have made merry in France lived in the 17th century. He was Jean-Baptiste Poquelin, aka Molière." “Pamela Geller offends shariah media,” Praag.org, May 10, 2015.
  • "Another dynamic is at play in the region besides the Sunni-Shia divide. It is that between the forces of centralization and the forces of decentralization. As a rule, the U.S. sides with the former; the Arab people with whom we meddle generally side with the latter. Given the tribal, familial focus of their societies; Arabs are unlikely to abandon their particularism in favor of American statism." "Ask Bush Why The Iraqi Military Won't Fight," The Unz Review, May 29, 2015.
  • "Yankees are fond of citing Confederacy officials in support of slavery and a war for slavery. Most Southerners, however, were not slaveholders. All Southerners were sovereigntists, fighting a 'War for Southern Independence.' They rejected central coercion. Southerners believed a union that was entered voluntarily could be exited in the same way. "Yankee Supremacists Trash South’s Heroes," Praag.org June 26, 2015.
  • "Propensities for crime are irrelevant in a discussion about the murder of an individual — Ms. Kathryn Steinle and all other victims of criminals who should not be in the U.S. For these deaths have nothing to do with aggregate crime rates; they're about individuals who should be alive: a baby that should have been born, a girl who should be among the living, young men and women who should not be dead. To justify the crime-probabilities line-of-inquiry in the context of killer Francisco Sanchez' presence that day on the San Francisco pier, you would need to show that had Sanchez been deported or jailed or turned back at the border—his victim, Ms. Steinle, would nevertheless have suffered the same fate at the hands of a native murderer. The same eventuality would need to be demonstrated with respect to each individual victim of a criminal alien. The implication is crushingly stupid." "The Hispandering Effect," The Quarterly Review, July 12, 2015.
  • "In America, black is beautiful. To be black is to be more righteous, nobler; carry the heaviest historic baggage — heavier than the Holocaust — and be encouraged to perpetually and publicly pick at those suppurating sores. To be black is to have an unwritten, implicit social contract with wider, whiter society. To be black it to be born with an IOY (I Own You); it is to be owed apologies, obsequiousness, education, and auto-exculpation for any wrongdoing." "Rachel Dolezal: A Racially Abused Girl—Really," The Libertarian Alliance, July 19, 2015.
  • "Like no other, drug legalization is a proxy black issue, worthy of the endorsement of the 'Black Lives Matter' movement." “Trump Should Triangulate,” The Unz Review, August 7 2015.
  • "From the safety and comfort of rarefied zip codes, open-border theorists tutor the little people in the positive economic effects of, say, high population density on productivity and economic growth. But regular folks don't have to travel to Cairo or Karachi to discover that this urban theory is an urban myth." “Trump Should Triangulate,” The Unz Review, August 7 2015.
  • "A professional politician is opportunistic and parasitic. For his survival, he must feed off his hosts. To convince the host to let him hook on and drain his lifeblood, the political hookworm must persuade enough of them to believe his deception. The energies of this political confidence trickster are thus focused on gaining voter confidence by promising what will never be delivered and what is impossible to deliver." “Trump Should Triangulate,” The Unz Review, August 7 2015.
  • "Fox News' Megyn Kelly has fast succumbed to the female instinct to show-off, bare skin, flirt and wink. She now also regularly motormouths it over the occasional smart guest she entertains (correction: the one smart guest, Ann Coulter). At the same time, Kelly has dignified the tinnitus named Dana Perino with a daily slot as Delphic-oracle." "Motormouth Megyn Meets her Match," The Quarterly Review, August 21, 2015.
  • "Guns are not the root cause of man's evil actions... Evil is part of the human condition, always has been, always will be. Evil can't be wished away, treated away, medicated away or legislated away. Evil is here to stay. Bad people do bad things. Deal, as they say in the hood." "Gun Violence? No! Goon Violence," The Unz Review, September 4, 2015.
  • "Canada is a high-wage area. The U.S. is a high-wage area. Latin America is a low-wage area. Migratory pressure flows from low-wage to high-wage regions; from the Third World to the First World (until migratory equilibrium is reached when First World becomes Third World)." "Trump’s Good for the English Language," WorldNetDaily.com, September 17, 2015.
  • "According to liberal liturgy, if not for largely exogenous circumstances—all human beings would be capable of similar accomplishments. Many a co-opted scientist will second the political dictum that there is no such thing as general intelligence. Speak, if you must, about the phenotype—even genotype—of all individual traits other than intelligence. As for the possibility of group genotypic intelligence: Don't go there!" "Trump’s Good for the English Language," WorldNetDaily.com, September 17, 2015.
  • "To be vested in linguistic accuracy is to be vested in the truth. The closer the language we use approximates reality — and, by extension, the truth — the greater the likelihood that our actions will follow." "Trump’s Good for the English Language," WorldNetDaily.com, September 17, 2015.
  • "If America busies itself not with elective wars, but with commerce, the shift in power and prestige will be away from politicians who prosecute wars, and back to The People who produce prosperity." “Donald, Don’t Let Fox News Roger America… Again,” LewRockwell.com, September 25, 2015.
  • "Jews like presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders have forgotten that riches are a reward for work well done. In the Jewish faith's infinite wisdom, wealth justly acquired is a sign of God's blessing." "Burn-the-Wealth Bernie & His Partial Enslavement System," The Quarterly Review, October 16, 2015
  • "Be it Hillary Clinton or burn-the-wealth Bernie Sanders — both agree that it is up to them, the all-knowing central planners, to determine how much of your life ought to be theirs to squander." "Burn-the-Wealth Bernie & His Partial Enslavement System," The Quarterly Review, October 16, 2015
  • "Donald Trump's political rivals look at the price exacted by a Muslim like Syed Farouk and his bride in the aggregate. To a politician, 14 lives in 322 million is a small price to pay for 'our freedoms.' Fourteen dead in San Bernardino is not a steep price to pay for unfettered immigration from Islamic countries, peddled politically as 'our values,' 'our tolerance,' 'our greatness.' This callous calculus is second nature to neoconservative politicians like Lindsey Graham or Darth Vader Cheney. Not to Trump." "No Wonder the Pols Think Businessman Trump’s Crazy; He Understands Scarcity," The Unz Review, December 11, 2015.

2016

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  • "Said Saint Augustine, 'The confession of evil works is the first beginning of good works.' The Republican Party under Bush did the devil's work. Bar the sainted Ron Paul, not a dog of a Republican lifted his leg in protest of the unjust war on Iraq. To embark on the good, the GOP must come clean about the bad." "Making America great means exposing 'W'," Praag.org, February 20, 2016.
  • "Donald Trump has buried George W. Bush, for good. Or so we hope. This might not be 'Morning in America,' but it is a moral victory for values in America. Somewhere in those Judeo-Christian values touted by 'values voters' is an injunction against mass murder." "Trump called Bush a liar & he won South Carolina (Nevada, too)," The Unz Review, February 27, 2016.
  • "In the classical conservative and libertarian traditions values are private things. They must be left to individuals and to civil society to practice and police. Party and state operatives have police powers with which to back their 'values.' Therefore, never-ever are they to preach or police The People's values." "Trump nation tired of racial sadomasochism," WorldNetDaily.com, March 3, 2016.
  • "I don't know that Trump favors protective tariffs, import quotas or export subsidies. I do know that we don't have free trade. What goes for 'free trade' is trade managed by powerful bureaucracies—national and transnational international—central planners concerned with regulating, not freeing, trade; whose goal it is to harmonize labor, health, and environmental laws throughout the developed world. The undeveloped and developing worlds do as they please. My understanding is that Trump simply wants to make these agreements and organs work for the American people." "Trump and Trade," WorldNetDaily.com, March 11, 2016.
  • "Voluntary exchanges are by definition advantageous to their participants. Within this voluntary, mutually beneficial relationship, I give up an item I value less, for something I value more: a fee for the desired product or service. My trading partners, whose valuations are in complementary opposition to mine, reciprocate in kind. Ceteris paribus (all other things being equal), there's nothing wrong with my running a trade deficit with Costco, my hair stylist or my GTI dealer, as I do—just as long as I pay for my purchases. However, the data demonstrate that Americans, in general, are not paying for their purchases." "Trump and Trade," Praag.org, March 12, 2016.
  • "Republican presidents who've talked and acted conservatively are as elusive as Big Foot. There hasn't been a sighting in maybe a century. A purist would cite Democrat Grover Cleveland as America's last conservative president. He preached and practiced the maxim that 'the people must support the government, but the government must not support the people." "Trump Doesn’t Need to Talk Like A Conservative," The Unz Review, March 19, 2016.
  • "When it comes to philosophical convictions, most conservatives more closely resemble their beltway liberal friends than Republican Party voters. From the country's dismal finances and propagandized population, a sizable segment has concluded that conservative power-brokers and liberal power-brokers are indistinguishable." "Trump Doesn’t Need to Talk Like A Conservative," The Unz Review, March 19, 2016.
  • "Centuries of Islam, transmitted through mother's milk, cannot be tweaked out of the Muslim DNA like some unsightly nose-hair." “The Expert Idiocracy Is More dangerous Than Islam, Almost," Townhall.com, July 17, 2016. “
  • "At its core, the argument against racism, at least as it works to further black interests, is an argument against collectivism. You're meant to avoid judging an entire people based on the color of their epidermis or the conduct of a statistically significant number of them. It is, however,deemed perfectly acceptable to malign and milk Europeans for all they're worth, based on the lack of pigment in their skin and their overall better socio-economic performance." "Europeans Abolished Slavery; Africans/Muslims Still Practice It."  FrontPage Magazine 8/4/016.

The following quotes are taken from Mercer's column "The Third Degree à la Germany,"[1]Townhall.com, Nov 29, 2016, in which she answers the Junge Freiheit questionnaire.

  • "I‘m strictly reality oriented. I don’t indulge in make-believe. I don’t wish to be where I’m not."
  • "I’d give "anything" for freedom from The State, provided "anything" is a figure of speech (no limbs, eyes, etc.)"
  • (When asked - "What do you consider important in life?") "Meaningful work, intellectual honesty (rare), close relationships, good health, my guns, my companion parrot (Oscar-Wood), related advocacy and charities."
  • "The concept of a Favorite Book is childish, if you’re a lifelong reader. Lots of books of political theory, philosophy and economics have indelibly influenced my thinking."
  • "In the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson wrote "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," instead of "life, liberty and property." With that vagueness, Jefferson undermined the foundation of civilization: private property right."
  • "Traditionalists value hierarchy. An infantile, immoral society deifies The Child. Kids should follow Florence King's injunction that "children have no business expressing opinions on anything except, 'Do you have enough room in the toes?'"
  • “Liberals have developed a utopian vision of how nature should behave. It must remain in perfect balance. To that end, they’ll exterminate harmless critters that violate the liberal idea of Order; of species correctness. While animals may not migrate illegally, or disrupt the preordained ‘natural’ order—liberal social engineers encourage non-indigenous peoples to mess with the social habitat of historic, host populations. Provided they’re white.” "The Curious Case of America's Waning Whites" The Daily Caller, December 8, 2016
  • “The Left's delayed Russophobia is about a century too late.”—ILANA MERCER, “The Proof is Not In The Putin,” The Daily Caller, December 16, 2016

2017

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  • "Mythical thinking thrives in a culture that eschews objective truth: ours." - ILANA MERCER,  "Faking History To Make The Black Kids Feel Good"   The Daily Caller, January 13, 2017
  •  "Where once there was an understanding that a reality independent of the human observer exists; students are now taught that truth is a social construction, a function of the power and position—or lack thereof—of persons or groups in society." - ILANA MERCER, "Faking History To Make The Black Kids Feel Good" The Daily Caller, January 13, 2017
  • “Obama is a case study in hubris.”—ILANA MERCER, “Obama’s Terrific Tantrum,” Constitution.com, January 2, 2017:  
  • “The countdown to President-elect Trump's inauguration has morphed into a search-and-rescue for the Barack Obama legacy, except that when something is dead; it becomes a recovery operation.” - ILANA MERCER, “‘Go On Now Go,’ Barack Obama, ‘Walk Out The Door …’ Townhall.com, January 19, 2017
  •  "Audacity we won't miss: Obama praised his spoilt daughters for graciously wearing 'the burden of years' of life in the lap of luxury (courtesy the taxpayer), a sentiment his wife, Michelle Antoinette Obama, seconded.” - ILANA MERCER,   "'Go On Now Go,’ Barack Obama, ‘Walk Out The Door …’" Townhall.com, January 19, 2017.
  • "An historical, national Jewish right to the city of Jerusalem does not extinguish the property rights of individual Arab homesteaders acquired over the years. Muslims residing in East Jerusalem must just learn to extend to their Jewish neighbors the courtesy their Muslim brethren receive from their Jewish neighbors, in Israel proper. In other words, allow Jews to live in peace. Or, just to live." - ILANA MERCER, "Make Jerusalem Safe Again" The Unz Review, January 25, 2017
  •  "Quick quiz: What does 'unoccupied' or 'liberated' Palestinian land look like? Answer: Like Gaza." - ILANA MERCER, "Make Jerusalem Safe Again" The Unz Review, January 25, 2017
  • "Self-government, and not imposed government, implies that society, and not The State, is to develop value systems. The State's role is to protect citizens as they go about their business peacefully, living in accordance with their peaceful values." - ILANA MERCER, "Beware The Values Cudgel," The Daily Caller, February 2, 2017
  • "Because our form of government is incompatible with the enforcement of values, the American People can't and mustn't welcome into their midst civilizations whose values are inimical to the survival of their own." - ILANA MERCER, "Beware The Values Cudgel," The Daily Caller, February 2, 2017
  • "In adding Iran to the travel ban, President Trump is clearly appeasing the neoconservative snakes slithering around his administration. They’re fixing for a fight with Iran, stupidly collapsing the distinction between the Iranian State (sponsor of terrorism), and the Iranian people (who’re not the reason the Eiffel Tower is being walled-off by bullet-proof glass)." - ILANA MERCER, "High-Tech Traitors Are Social Justice Warriors 1st; Businessmen 2nd" The Unz Review, February 17, 2017
  • "It’s not right-wing populism that endangers Jewish survival in Europe and Canada; it’s the influx of Muslims. There’s nothing new in the Jewish leadership’s habit of kibitzing about the dangers to Jewish continuity from marauding Mormons (their sin is to convert dead Jews). Or, from Mel Gibson, whose movie “The Passion of the Christ” was supposed to unleash pogroms in Pittsburgh, as they falsely prophesied." - ILANA MERCER, "Islam, Not Trump, Is The Elephant In The Room, Threatening Jewish Survival" Townhall.com, February 23, 2017
  • "I hope I speak for Deplorables when I say this: The only time you want the president to reach across the aisle on matters immigration is to grab a Democrat or an errant Republican by the throat." - ILANA MERCER, "ICE Agents Prefer Deporting Illegals To Changing Their Diapers" The Daily Caller, March 3, 2017
  • "By upholding the moral order, President Trump is also restoring the natural order inverted by his predecessors. The feminist order of Obama had humiliated thousands of American men-of-action by turning them into wet-nurses." - ILANA MERCER, "Ice Agents Prefer Deporting Illegals To Changing Their Diapers" The Daily Caller, March 3, 2017
  • "The only time you want the president to reach across the aisle on matters immigration is to grab a Democrat or an errant Republican by the throat.” - ILANA MERCER, "Ice Agents Prefer Deporting Illegals To Changing Their Diapers" Townhall.com, March 3, 2017
  •  On ICE agents minding illegal alien minors: "By upholding the moral order, President Trump is also restoring the natural order, inverted by his predecessors. The feminist order of Obama had humiliated thousands of American men-of-action by turning them into wet-nurses." - ILANA MERCER, "Ice Agents Prefer Deporting Illegals To Changing Their Diapers" Townhall.com, March 3, 2017
  •  "Look forward to epic images of heavy equipment barreling toward the Southern border. The sight of a gold-plated structure going up, as sections of the borderland along Mexico start to resemble Liberace's backyard: This is sure to warm the cockles of your heart, and make America's monomaniacal media go berserk." - ILANA MERCER, "Let Milo Design The Wall" The Liberty Conservative, March 3, 2017
  • "If a veteran political operative like Barack Obama is considered beyond reproach, incapable of abusing power—all the more so is it irrational, irresponsible and in Third-World style to hound an administration not yet fully assembled or ensconced, for a political past it lacks. Sane people must walk away from Fake News' Russia Ruse." - ILANA MERCER, "The Donald Vs. The Deep State" The Daily Caller, March 9, 2017
  • "We dare not suggest that a civilization created by a particular people with a particular religious and racial profile, may well perish once those people are replaced or have engineered their own replacement."  - ILANA MERCER, "What Rep. Steve King's Racist' Statements Teach" The Daily Caller, March 20, 2017
  • "The idea of the American 'creedal nation,' which is supposed to unite us all in 'a common commitment to a set of ideas and ideals,' is abstract and inorganic. This creed comes from above, not from below. It's a state religion reflexively developed to bring about compliance." - ILANA MERCER, "What Rep. Steve King's Racist' Statements Teach" The Daily Caller, March 20, 2017
  • "In Cool Britannia, the moniker the Island acquired in the times of trendy Tony Blair, the only way disarmed Britons may shoot a savage is with ... a camera." - ILANA MERCER, "Jihad's Triumph On Westminster Bridge" Townhall.com, March 30, 2017
  • "The category of 'criminal' (according to incontrovertibly correct libertarian political theory) entails the outlaw criminal class—it needs no introduction—and the legalized criminal class: the politicians." - ILANA MERCER, "Jihad's Triumph On Westminster Bridge" Townhall.com, March 30, 2017

Books

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Into The Cannibal's Pot: Lessons for America From Post-Apartheid South Africa is a book by paleolibertarian author Ilana Mercer published in August of 2011, analyzing post-Apartheid South Africa from a classical liberal perspective.

  • “Why have some people produced Confucian and Anglo-Protestant ethics—with their mutual emphasis on graft and delayed gratification—while others have midwived Islamic and animistic values, emphasizing conformity, consensus, and control? Why have certain patterns of thought and action come to typify certain people in the first place? Such an investigation political correctness prohibits." - ILANA MERCER, Into the Cannibal's Pot: Lessons for America from Post-Apartheid South Africa
  • "Bad leaders or bad weather patterns are not what shackle backward peoples. ... the values and cultural influences which people (and peoples) bring to the polity cannot be tweaked out of existence like some unsightly nose-hair." - ILANA MERCER, Into the Cannibal's Pot: Lessons for America from Post-Apartheid South Africa
  • "By staving off crime and communism, the apartheid regime, a vast repressive apparatus though it was, saved black South Africans from an even worse moral and material fate." - ILANA MERCER, Into the Cannibal's Pot: Lessons for America from Post-Apartheid South Africa
  • “My answer to those who'd fault me for daring to make broad statements about aggregate group characteristics, vis-à-vis crime [or rioting], … would be as follows: Generalizations, provided they are substantiated by hard evidence, not hunches, are not incorrect. Science relies on the ability to generalize to the larger population observations drawn from a representative sample. People make prudent decisions in their daily lives based on probabilities and generalities. That one chooses not to live in a particular crime-riddled county or country in no way implies that one considers all residents to be criminals, only that a sensible determination has been made, based on statistically significant data, as to where scarce and precious resources—one's life and property—are best invested.” - ILANA MERCER, Into the Cannibal's Pot: Lessons for America from Post-Apartheid South Africa

The Trump Revolution: The Donald’s Creative Destruction Deconstructed is a book by paleolibertarian author Ilana Mercer published in June of 2016, which analyzes the presidential campaign of Donald Trump and its effects on the American political landscape.

  • “The neoconservative pseudo-conservatives speak like Tocqueville but act like Robespierre.”—ILANA MERCER,  The Trump Revolution: The Donald’s Creative Destruction Deconstructed"
  • “To Donald Trump, making America great means making the people great. To the political cast, conversely, making America great means making government great.”— ILANA MERCER,  The Trump Revolution: The Donald’s Creative Destruction Deconstructed
  • "Donald Trump acting as a political Samson that threatens to bring the den of iniquity crashing down on its patrons."― ILANA MERCER, The Trump Revolution: The Donald's Creative Destruction Deconstructed
  • “From the safety and comfort of rarefied zip codes, open-border theorists tutor the little people in the positive economic effects on productivity and economic growth of, say, high population density. But regular folks don't have to travel to Cairo or Karachi to discover that this urban theory is an urban myth.” - ILANA MERCER, The Trump Revolution: The Donald's Creative Destruction Deconstructed
  • “The cable commentariat is a cog in the corpulent D.C. fleshpot.”― ILANA MERCER, The Trump Revolution: The Donald's Creative Destruction Deconstructed"
  • "Speaker Ryan, who voted for the $1.1 trillion 2016 Omnibus Spending Bill, demanding Trump show him his conservative credentials is as though a guy who never built a thing were to mock a man who has built lots of things. .”― ILANA MERCER, The Trump Revolution: The Donald's Creative Destruction Deconstructed
  • “The Republican Party under Bush did the devil's work. Bar the sainted Ron Paul, not a dog of a Republican lifted his leg in protest of the unjust war on Iraq.” ― ILANA MERCER, The Trump Revolution: The Donald's Creative Destruction Deconstructed
  • “The original Constitution is a dead letter, having suffered decades of legislative, executive and judicial usurpation. The natural- and common law traditions, once loadstars for lawmakers, have been buried under the rubble of legislation and statute. However much one shovels the muck of lawmaking aside, natural justice and the Founders' original intent remain buried too deep to exhume.” ― ILANA MERCER, The Trump Revolution: The Donald's Creative Destruction Deconstructed
  • “The Donald has the political players rising on their hind legs in defense of their realm. And he has hitherto shattered the totems and taboos these players enforce. Debated as never before are vexations like immigration, Islam, and, yes, the legitimacy of the Republican National Committee.” ― ILANA MERCER, The Trump Revolution: The Donald's Creative Destruction Deconstructed
  • “In the service of statist sameness, the male-vs.-female biological imperatives are rapidly, if reflexively, being dissolved. Dissolving 'The Constitution of Man' is dangerous to civilization, for a subservient, effete civilization will not survive the onslaught of Islam.”― ILANA MERCER, The Trump Revolution: The Donald's Creative Destruction Deconstructed
  • "Survival-of the species of the culture of the faith-has a biological dimension. What would have befallen our Hominid ancestors had they implemented gender parity in their hunter-gather societies-sometimes the women hunt while the men forage and mind the kids, and vice versa?" - Ilana Mercer, The Trump Revolution: The Donald's Creative Destruction Deconstructed
  • "Donald Trump doesn’t collapse the distinction between 'America' and the U.S. government. He exhibits no confusion of category. To Trump, making America great means making the people great."—ILANA MERCER, The Trump Revolution: The Donald's Creative Destruction Deconstructed
  • "Our neoconservative pseudo-conservatives speak like Tocqueville but act like Robespierre."—ILANA MERCER, The Trump Revolution: The Donald's Creative Destruction Deconstructed
  • "American journalism is a circle jerk of power brokers."—ILANA MERCER, The Trump Revolution: The Donald's Creative Destruction Deconstructed
  • "By definition, a professional politician is opportunistic and parasitic. For his survival, he must feed off his hosts. To convince the host to let him hook on and drain his lifeblood, the political hookworm must persuade enough of them to believe his deception."—ILANA MERCER, The Trump Revolution: The Donald's Creative Destruction Deconstructed
  • "Flawed though he most certainly is—Donald Trump belongs to the category of Americans who wield economic power. He has provided goods and services people want, built buildings and resorts they inhabit and frequent, provided his investors with a return on their investment. And he has done so using the peaceful, voluntary means of free-market capitalism. He has not passed an individual mandate to compel any and all to patronize his buildings, businesses or buy his products."—ILANA MERCER, The Trump Revolution: The Donald's Creative Destruction Deconstructed
  • "When the magic number of delegates was obtained, '1237' became the new '300' (a reference to the comic-book rendition of the epic Battle of Thermopylae in 480 BC)."—ILANA MERCER, The Trump Revolution: The Donald's Creative Destruction Deconstructed
  • "Donald Trump's political record is a few months old. Trump is a political newborn. In the language of law, President Trump has no political criminal record." - ILANA MERCER, The Trump Revolution: The Donald's Creative Destruction Deconstructed

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I found the (very extensive) deletion discussion at w:Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ilana_Mercer.

Opinions? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:39, 8 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

Article seems a very extensive collection of unquoteworthy material, though I do not claim to be an expert on paleolibertarianism. I concur with the decision at Wikipedia: no compelling rationale for keeping. ~ Ningauble (talk) 01:29, 9 November 2022 (UTC)Reply