Talk:Intimate relationship skills

Quotes pending credible citations

Under the standard Wikiquote format, they can go in a second section called "Attributed", with a reference to a notable source where the attribution appeared. Geoffjw1978 14:39, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeats

"I think a man and woman should choose each other for life, for the simple reason that a long life with all its accidents is barely enough time for a man and a woman to understand each other and in this case to understand is to love."

_{~ William Butler Yeats}

5 other citations found. Including an excellent page on About.com...

copy-pasteable link: quotations.about.com/od/relationships/a/marriage2.htm _{(unluckily spam-blocked by wikipedia...)}

However, still seeking a citation source which is notable enough for Wikiquote. Geoffjw1978 05:29, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Marcus Aurelius

When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.

Where a man can live, he can also live well.

Remember that very little is needed to make a happy life.

You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength.

Your life is what your thoughts make it.

Geoffjw1978 22:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Socrates

By all means marry. If you marry a good woman then you will be happy, if not then you will become a philosopher, which is a good thing for any man.

Geoffjw1978 22:57, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Proposal for merging "Intimate relationship skills" into Love

Re: proposal for merging intimate relationship skills into Love

The new page is intended to be a sister page to Wikipedia's: intimate relationship skills article.

As such, this page is intended for quotes on conflict, divorce, attachment theory and other topics in the wikipedia article: intimate relationship skills.

I do not think it is appropriate to merge,

So thank you for the suggestion and spotting the similarity, a link across to Love will benefit both pages.

Geoffjw1978 06:32, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

The above linked Wikipedia article has been deleted. It appears to have been one of several drafts by the same contributor, such as w:Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Intimate relationship skills (2nd submission), containing attempts at original synthesis of an unclear thesis about interpersonal relationships. ~ Ningauble 16:00, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

In an interestingly development,

There's news on the guy who wreaked the havoc and so caused Ningauble to think ill of the Main Space article.

That account has been blocked, indefinitely, with no further appeals, by a cohort of admins. There was a tyrannical Tyrannosaurus Rex tarpit death struggle, to the last… w:User:SunCountryGuy01

It seems others were not quite so polite with their "softened" words, and pleas for clemency as I was. Geoffjw1978 19:38, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

You are entirely mistaken about the basis of my opinion. Seeing the originally linked page had been deleted, I took the trouble to locate the then-current version of your draft. I read your draft for myself, and my reading of it is the sole basis for my opinion that it is original synthesis. I would have expected someone who purports to have researched interpersonal relationship skills to know better than to impute spurious causes for another person's opinions. ~ Ningauble 00:16, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

I see, I'm well aware of improvements needed in my interpersonal skills, hence all the amateur research. My concern was that people thought I was creating lots of duplicates of the article which were all being deleted by admins. This was not the case. w:User:SunCountryGuy01 was doing page moves to other pages, some links were then broken due to typos in the names, finally other admins were solicited to delete info, erroneously described as "unaltered for 10 months". The professionals in the relationships field give clearer insights than my writing and I think Wikipedia would benefit from the article as a set of navigation links to their articles for further reading across the field. Consensus will determine if the article is promoted to Main Space. Geoffjw1978 16:30, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

The article in question is now receiving mentoring in the Wikipedia:Article incubator

Please be patient while the Wikipedia:Articles for creation process is under way.

In the meantime, I have removed the merge proposal tag in the hope that further people may assist in the RfC

Much appreciated Geoffjw1978 06:11, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Two users have proposed merging this article. (UDScott[1] and myself [2]) Quotes in the present article do not appear to be expressly about "skills" per se. This title does not appear to be viable as a distinct topic at present. Some of the quotes might be moved to Marriage rather than, or in addition to, Love. ~ Ningauble 13:46, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I agree with that, as Love is already proposed for splitting I didn't see the point of a merge. Please give me 7 days to source the other 2 quotes and I'll move them over to Marriage, then supply actual skills quotes - The sister page is now on its way to main space via the Wikipedia:Article incubator Geoffjw1978 05:52, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

having looked at Marriage, it is much more a collection of funny quotes on marriage whereas I am looking for a positive approach to these quotes which is less tainted by any cynical interpretation. The reason for this is here Geoffjw1978 06:00, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

No reply for over a month to my 2 reasons for not merging to Love or to Marriage. I'd like to remove the "merge proposal" template from the top of the page. As I've started building the actual "skills" quotes onto here, the point raised on initial creation of the page. Love is listed as the main skill here, hence this WikiQuote article starts with a few positive quotes on Love. Geoffjw1978 06:26, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I still support merging. This article starts with a few positive quotes on love, which belong at Love. Positive, constructive quotes about marriage would be useful additions to Marriage because that article could benefit from greater balance. If and when that article becomes too large, a separate article on marital advice/counseling might be forked. (Also marital law) The title of this fork strikes me as a bit jargonish for a universal theme, and bears a strong resemblance to somebody's trademark. ~ Ningauble 14:36, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I see.

Then there should be a different wikiquote link within each of the skills section in the main space page >>draft here<<.

Each would link to a different "universal theme" page in Wikiquotes.

Taking them in order: Love, Kindness, Reflectiveness, Positive thinking,

Would that fit better than having one Wikiquote page on all the skills?

If it's possible I would like to continue adding to one place while I find the sources, then split the page across the universal themes and delete it after splitting.

Let me know your thoughts Geoffjw1978 19:31, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: Trademark: interesting, are you referring to PAIRS, or another trademark? Geoffjw1978 19:31, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I have proposed before that "Love" be split into several smaller pages with themes like Romantic love, Spiritual love, Familial love, and so forth. This need will only grow as I import the hundred's of Hoyt's quotes (which are surprisingly not already included in Love). A page on love in stable relationships (not explicitly "marital") might be in order. BD2412 T 20:24, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree. A new page on that universal theme would be much better, in my opinion. The 2 subjects of humour about marriage and the art of staying together are very different. The epistemology specialist w:A C Grayling uses the term "Loving well" for this subject. Would a new page titled "Loving well" be suitable? It could have an intro, "A page on love in stable relationships" and link to the other split-pages. Just a thought. Geoffjw1978 16:45, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

So, if no further objections are raised, next month I will create the Wikiquote page Loving well and in its introduction I will have links to any other split pages on love (currently there is just "Love"). I had a look at Hoyt's love quotes, but they do not appear to be subdivided in categories, so more work is needed there anyway. Anyone who agrees or disagrees, please cast your vote below. Many thanks. Geoffjw1978 20:40, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree with BD2412 that some partitioning of Love could be useful. How to do so bears careful consideration because the subject is highly subjective. (E.g., one might break out professions of, exhortations to, power of, nature of, advice for, etc., etc....) I do not think splitting it into "Loving well" vs. "Loving badly" is a good idea. ~ Ningauble 17:32, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree that splitting pages into "pro and con" subsections of a broad topic for complex statements is generally a bad idea, because even such distinctions as these can be VERY subjective. There have been a few pages where some contentions were reduced by such divisions, but I have never really been entirely pleased with the results. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 18:56, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree "pro and con" subsections will not be suitable. e.g., "Loving badly" is not a term which is notable in any way. I am excited by the prospect of having Love quotes also appearing in sub-page categories like "professions of, exhortations to, power of, nature of, advice for, ". I think that would be much more accessible to readers, compared with the current Love page, which has a useful A-Z arrangement. The categorization could be in addition to the current Love page, and that could remain as an overall index, with occasional links to the sub-category pages from the key quotes which epitomise each category. Geoffjw1978 21:40, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I still think this quotes page should be kept or linked together in some coherent form. It seems there is at least some support for a new page: "advice for love". I have read ALL of the quotes on the Love page and the quotes would really benefit from also appearing in categorised, linked pages, as proposed above. Geoffjw1978 14:43, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Proposal now dropped. Mediation4u 11:18, 2 December 2011 (UTC) ^{editing is fun}

Proposal to remove obsolete tag from head of page. This is for aesthetic reasons. The page appears to have addressed initial concerns on the lack of "skills" quotes, and no further comment has been made on the above in recent months, also the Love page seems to have reached consensus on remaining as an alphabetized single list, as no-one is coming forward to put in the effort to duplicate key quotes from that page into category pages as well. So I will remove the ugly tag from the head of this page in due course if there are no objections voiced here.

Hope this helps.

Mediation4u 08:07, 30 November 2011 (UTC) ^{editing is fun}

I disagree. I believe the reason discussions went nowhere is because the article is stillborn. What we have here is not a coherent theme, it is a mishmash of quotes on various topics that may happen to be considered by some to be relevant in the context of relationship counseling.

Were I to remove the {{merge}} tag I would replace it with a {{vfd}} tag. I suggest that anything one deems really quoteworthy here be moved to another page so we can give this one a decent burial. ~ Ningauble 19:40, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback. Would you re-ignite and support the previous proposal to duplicate the key Love quotes into sub-pages? The examples so far are "professions of love", "exhortations to love", "power of love", "nature of love", "advice for love", etc., etc. With your support that would reflect the consensus of discussions on this page, to then be proposed as a fully formed idea on the talk page for the Love quotations page. Just a thought. Mediation4u 09:37, 5 December 2011 (UTC) ^{editing is fun}

It appears that the merge or move proposal could be included in the categorising of the Love quotes. I think the Love page should stay as it is, but some of it's best quotes (and the ones on this page) could also appear on separate category pages. (Examples in the preceding comment). Is there any support for duplicating Love quotes onto sub-category pages? Geoffjw1978 (talk) 01:09, 15 September 2012 (UTC)