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The imperialist ideology of force, from whatever side it comes, must be shattered for all time.
~ The White Rose ~
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The real division is not between conservatives and revolutionaries but between authoritarians and libertarians.

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I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs, that honesty is always the best policy.
~ George Washington ~
Every morning
I shall concern myself anew about the boundary
Between the love-deed-Yes and the power-deed-No
And pressing forward honor reality.

We cannot avoid
Using power,
Cannot escape the compulsion
To afflict the world,
So let us, cautious in diction
And mighty in contradiction,
Love powerfully.

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My political opinions lean more and more to Anarchyphilosophically understood, meaning abolition of control … The most improper job of any man … is bossing other men. Not one in a million is fit for it, and least of all those who seek the opportunity.
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I AM an Anarchist.
All good men are Anarchists.

All cultured, kindly men; all gentlemen; all just men are Anarchists.
Jesus was an Anarchist.

~ Elbert Hubbard ~

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Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves:
be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
~ Jesus ~
Matthew 10:16

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Once for all, then, a short precept is given thee:
Love, and do what thou wilt.

~ Augustine of Hippo ~

Love works magic.
It is the final purpose
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The Amen of the Universe.
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Whatever pretended pessimists in search of notoriety may say, most people are naturally kind, at heart.

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Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity.
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The law of levity is allowed to supersede the law of gravity.

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Of course I'm sane, when trees start talking to me, I don't talk back.

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The realization that life is absurd and cannot be an end, but only a beginning. This is a truth nearly all great minds have taken as their starting point.
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As soon as men live entirely in accord with the law of love natural to their hearts and now revealed to them, which excludes all resistance by violence, and therefore hold aloof from all participation in violence — as soon as this happens, not only will hundreds be unable to enslave millions, but not even millions will be able to enslave a single individual.
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There is no justice in following unjust laws.
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That which is not just, is not Law; and that which is not Law, ought not to be obeyed.
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There is no greater mindlessness and absurdity than to force conscience and the spirit with external power, when only their creator has authority for them.
~ Ferenc Dávid ~

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Kids! Bringing about Armageddon can be dangerous. Do not attempt it in your own home.
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With this and other accounts I have made over 117,777 contributive edits, created well over 1001 pages and done substantial work on well over 1000 more, some of which are listed here. JUL Soul Iris.png
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This is the primary account of Kalki, who has also used many other account-names here, some since the very first days of this Wiki.

"If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it."
Foundational Principles against overly-controlling forces developing on the wikis.
Even if you have read them before, PLEASE EXAMINE ANEW: Wikipedia:Ignore all rules, and the other links available there, including the links delineating much which Wikipedia was NOT.
These were some of the earliest directives established by the founding workers on the Wikimedia projects.

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I am one of the administrators here, which doesn't give me any special authority… only a bit more ability to keep others from misusing the privileges provided. I am in a period of very intermittent but gradually developing activity here, and follow no set schedule. ~ Kalki·· 03:22, 31 January 2015 (UTC)


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Everybody is a hero, a lover, a fool, a villain, everybody.
Everybody has their story to tell...

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ALL and Everywhere.

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A master in the art of living draws no sharp distinction between his work and his play; his labor and his leisure; his mind and his body; his education and his recreation.
He hardly knows which is which.
He simply pursues his vision of excellence through whatever he is doing, and leaves others to determine whether he is working or playing.
To himself, he always appears to be doing both.
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The Dude abides.
I don't know about you but I take comfort in that.
It's good knowin' he's out there.
The Dude.
Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners.

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I am convinced that everyone can develop a good heart and a sense of universal responsibility with or without religion.
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The words "God is love" have this deep meaning: that everything that is against love is ultimately doomed and damned.
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I am an Anarchist not because I believe Anarchism is the final goal, but because there is no such thing as a final goal.
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I've never seen anybody really find the answer, but they think they have.
So they stop thinking.

But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom.
The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer.
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Sup, Kalk. I'd like to nominate a quote for QOTD, but I have no idea how to go about doing it. Could you help me? Thanks. – Illegitimate Barrister 13:00, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I just happened to return home very soon after you posted this and can give a relatively prompt reply: with any quotes you wish to suggest, simply find a date with which they have some relevance, such as the author's birthdate, or some other anniversary with which they might have strong associations, and post the quote at the bottom of the suggestions on the page for that date (such as today 4 August), with a ranking and your signature. 3 is the ranking I generally use on such quotes as I suggest, and believe to be very good ones, and 4 is the top ranking, to be used only such quotes as one believes to be the best available among the suggestions, and one would like to see used as soon as possible. If there are no dates which seem to provide some relevance to a quote, relevance to a date is not a pre-requisite, but usually quotes with relevance are given greater rankings and priority by most people who have been involved. Today is a somewhat unusual day for me, and I might have a bit of time to get a few things done here before leaving again within a couple of hours. After that I will probably be busy elsewhere most of the day. ~ Kalki·· 13:33, 4 August 2015 (UTC) + tweaks
Though it is not required, and is an innovation of recent years, I generally now use the "QOTD" template format in making suggestions on the date pages:

{{quote of the day | quote = oxo | author = xox }}

This template could be copied from the edit pane of this page and used for any suggestions for QOTD which you might wish to propose. ~ Kalki·· 14:00, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Kalk-Kalk. I've added some quotes for nomination. – Illegitimate Barrister 21:06, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your additions to the pages. I should have specifically noted in my earlier remarks that "4" is highly weighted in my considerations (as is 0), and I have generally asserted it should only be used for one's top choice in any year, by any person, thus at most once on any date page rankings by any person. Otherwise one person's ranges of preferences could have inordinate traction for many years after their ranking. Generally, most of the time, I rank my own and other people's suggestions from 1 to 3 (with stated "leans" upwards or downwards quite often), or very rarely a 0, when it seems to me to that a quote is extremely inappropriate for use as QOTD. ~ Kalki·· 23:32, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguations not working?[edit]

Am I doing something wrong? See here. Eurodyne (talk) 05:46, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

In your earlier attempt to direct a link of the word "acts" directly to the page for "action" you were placing "action" in the displayed second portion of the link, rather than in the first portion which provides the name of the linked page itself. ~ Kalki·· 05:51, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Sorry, just had a HUGE brain fart. ;) Eurodyne (talk) 05:57, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Btw, is hotcat also not working for you? Eurodyne (talk) 05:58, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
I rarely use hotcat, so I don't know what might be going on with that — but I have noticed the time clock I usually have displayed in the corner on my pages has been missing most of the time since my last sessions a few hours ago, so something might be screwed up with the gadgets for some reason. ~ Kalki·· 06:01, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
I know you're an active editor here and I was wondering what tasks you do to actively contribute. I prefer maintenance work and small gnome like tasks. ;) Eurodyne (talk) 06:09, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
I haven't been as active here lately as I would like to be, busy with other things elsewhere, but I generally like expanding and creating pages when I have the time. Other than that I'm here at least a few minutes to an hour on most days to do the Quote of the Day selections and layouts. I hope to be doing more page creation and expansion soon. ~ Kalki·· 06:15, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

complete Plato quote in Pirsig/Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maint.[edit]

I don't understand why you reverted my recent edit in "Robert M. Pirsig". The full Plato quote actually is present in the book exactly as I entered it. I took the material directly from the Bantam USA paperback, 15th printing (1976), page 389, which I'm looking at at this very moment. I'll be happy to provide you with a scan of the page if you like. Zgystardst (talk) 01:37, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

I too have a hard copy somewhere (I don't know where exactly at present), but I had relied on some online searches I had done which seemed to indicate the abbreviated paraphrase had been published in his work. There might possibly be two published versions, or the online version I had referred to was for some reason incorrect, for now I have encountered a couple incidents online where it seems the more extensive quote is actually used by Pirsig. I actually do somewhat like the more abbreviated version as more directly to the point, but will revert my changes to your extension, as it does seem to be correct. I might also add the variant later, if I actually do ever encounter it in hard-copy form. ~ Kalki·· 05:02, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. Just to be excruciatingly clear, both the quote and his paraphrase appear at that point in the book. Zgystardst (talk) 20:20, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

I tried moving Sunset Boulevard (1950 film) to Sunset Boulevard (film), but...[edit]

Thanks in advance yet again.  allixpeeke (talk) 05:28, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

This has now been moved. I had been a bit too pressed for time to get around to it earlier. ~ Kalki·· 11:47, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

I believe I will have slightly more time to work here soon.[edit]

I have been so busy with other things elsewhere that I have often had to squeeze in only a few minutes a day to actually work on things here — sometimes much less than an hour, as is the case today, and in most of the recent days — but I do hope and expect to have slightly more time to spend here within a week or so. Though I expect to remain busy with many other things, I should be able to spend at least a few hours here soon, and address a few issues as thoroughly as practical. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 23:17, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

I have been far busier with many other things than I had thought I would be this weekend, and only have a brief time now to do QOTD work before leaving again. I still am expecting more time to be available to me in the next few days, but am likely to not get around to addressing some things as fully as I would like here for at least another day or two. ~ Kalki·· 23:23, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
I definitely have not had as much time to attend to things here as I anticipated this week, and am becoming much busier with other matters. I happen to be in slightly less of a rush at this time of the day than I often have been in recent weeks, but must soon be leaving, and am hoping to find at least a few hours to do some work here within the next few days. ~ Kalki·· 00:59, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Despite hoping to have more time here today, I just arrived home a few minutes ago, have briefly checked in here, but must be leaving again in a few minutes. When I return I might have at least an hour or two available before I leave again, and will try to sort through some things then. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 16:03, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

monad image at Main Page QoTD[edit]

You may have inadvertently gotten into a rut, or you may have some intentional reason for making this a permanent fixture of the Wikiquote Main Page, but I cannot imagine any sufficient reason for permanently branding Wikiquote in this way. Please stop doing this unless and until consensus is established to do so. ~ Ningauble (talk) 00:00, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

I realize that now that this habit which I had indeed begun over a year ago has become the subject of contention, I should present some of the reasons the small symbol has been employed — as mere "décor" to many, perhaps, but also as a sign of the profound integrity and unity of all humanity and all things. I do not have time to contend on the issue right now, but I will present some of the rational of why I had employed this mark on the main page for well over a year now, with no protest or opposition to it before the last few days, within the next day or so.So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 00:05, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
There are over 27 million files hosted at Commons. I think we would be a better showcase of the whole Wikimedia endeavor if rather than repeating images, we could take advantage of the broad opportunities offered by that selection. BD2412 T 18:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Kalki, please note that continuing to add this image every day can be considered edit warring, as discussed at WQ:AN#Technical question re. what constitutes edit warring. Kindly refrain from continuing to add this image without obtaining consensus first. Thank you. ~ Ningauble (talk) 19:41, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Kalki, per the discussion at Wikiquote:Administrators'_noticeboard#Technical_question_re._what_constitutes_edit_warring, please refrain from using the monad image (or any facsimile of it, such as the symbol you used in today's QOTD page - which I have removed) until such time as its inclusion has been discussed and consensus reached, per the Image Use Policy (specifically the section regarding disputed images). Thanks for your cooperation in this. ~ UDScott (talk) 13:47, 28 August 2015 (UTC)


So i added neohumean not as main Western (also inter alia neokantian outside anglosphere somewhere dominates) but as an example, at your wish (?) - i think, IMHO... waitin your decisions, also maybe my acronyms (PUC) distorted the form, what do you think about this? --Paweł Ł Zawada (talk) 19:38, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I have been very busy in the last few days, and remain so, so I did not have time to reply to your inquiry yesterday, when I first noticed it. I just examined your latest revisions and believe you are making relatively narrow and specialized distinctions and assertions in the intro to the article, where they are neither necessary nor appropriate, and thus reverted your changes.

Before your revisions the intro had read:

The concept does not question, or compete with, the notion of causality, but rather maintains that just as events may be connected by a causal relationship, they may also be connected by meaning without clear causal relationships — a grouping of events by meaning need not have an explanation in terms of cause and effect.

Though not all might discern this, the words "need not have an explanation in terms of cause and effect" basically covers any and all theories or ideas of causality which any mortal manifestation of mind or mindfulness could attain or embrace, without any need for further qualifications or distinctions.

Your latest revisions uses relatively obscure, uncommon and unnecessarily qualifying terms such as Neo-humean, AS IF they were standard, and links to the Wikipedia on causality as "narrow definition of causality" to extend it this to:

The concept does not question, or compete with, the narrow definition of causality (for instance neo-humean, predominating in anglosphere after ancient and mediaval period), but rather maintains that just as events may be connected by a causal relationship, they may also be connected by meaning without clear causal relationships — a grouping of events by meaning need not have an explanation in terms of cause and effect (however this is questioned for instance by PUC supporters i.e. by broader definitions of causality).

Many people can recognize and acknowledge that conceptions of causality can and do include relatively mysterious and mystical ones and not merely those phenomena within ranges of physically measurable or generally observable aspects of Reality, such as those which are common in the physical sciences, but we need not elaborately specify any of these, whether mystical or measurable, in the introduction.

Whole ranges of concepts of non-physical causalities can be questioned or affirmed from various ranges of perspectives born of various forms of knowledge or belief, and synchronicity is but one of many possible ranges of human notions which can be called into question or supported by various specific theories related to these. I do not believe it is necessary to get too specific with the ranges of support or contentions against the ideas from relatively obscure ranges of theory in the introduction to a page of quotes on the subject. I have been very familiar with the notion of Synchronicity since I was a young child, but until your additions had certainly never heard of any specific reference to "Neo-Humean" takes on the matter, and the term "PUC", which you are employing as if it were "standard terminology" is so obscure, that it has a total of 36 hits in an internet search when added too one for the more general and clear terminology "Principle of Universal Causation" (which itself is not all that common an expression, with less than 4000 occurrences on the search I did for that term). However such terms may or may not relate to Synchronicity, which has well over 5 million occurrences, I believe that they do not merit inclusion in the intro here. ~ Kalki·· 11:12, 17 July 2015 (UTC) + tweak

36 is somewhat strange number, repair ;) your search engine or try mainstream Google server:

Partialy (anonymously) mine article about PUC on en-wikipedia has 1400 hits per circa 3 month rythm, but Your & Our article on synchronicity (with Your exclusive intro) here on wikiquote has only 400 hits per the same period so One shall not exclude any more people minorities (a penny saved is a penny earned) even if search-engine-democracy does the opposite we have also democratic-elite-lawmaking (don't be worse but equal).
I read about Jung and Synchronicity since about 1990' (while as a child (similary) I had read Polish edition of occult book "Nostradamus ..." by w:Francis X. King) but I was gradually dropping my support for Jung, because synchronicity brings too loose connections, "mental laziness" (w:Charles Tart) so new support for broader w:causal thinking could be motivating and safer: broader precise scientific/investigative digginng can reduce minor conspiracy theories.
You write you have only 5M hits for synchronicity, but please take a look I have over 6Millions hits for cause and in vast majority in neo kantian-scholastic (circa PUC) sense (moreover in relatively small language and not in anglosphere) for instance in Polish:

So i think one sentence, that there exist mainstream view and about not mainstream view should be added maybe in the end of the intro. It's only my humble opinion but I'm not a type of hard-worker and similary not a native English speaker (can't even use a/an/the) so for now I will not complete this contradiction until your decision because You work harder and longer here and so You have more power-mechanisms available "in case of" ;).--Paweł Ł Zawada (talk) 01:47, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Nota bene inspite of common root in obscure & obskórny (pronounced obscurny) in my old(?) country means inter alia very very ugly and dirty or destroyed (vor instance old damaged building in dark district)(only for w:camera obscura meaning is euphemistic: little-known ;) dark room).--Paweł Ł Zawada (talk) 04:21, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

"revert — conceivably some very limited and dogmatically constrained notions of causality could specifically aim to exclude notions of synchronicity — but synchronicity in itself involves no dogmatism which excludes any general notions of causality."/Kalki

No my "dear", science and those philosophies I pointed out are not dogmatic when put in proper wording & method such as in example I gave, when words used are not in radical laconic dualism ambivalent black-white stereotype manner, but the notion of synchronicity you promote is dogmatic because you're constantly reverting all other views of it possible misinterpretation and possible misuses as for instance seeing magical radical dogmatic connections where there is none can simply lead to conspiracy theories, David Hand on synchronicity: standard science is enough to explain such events: roughly and strictly limiting of dogmatism is not dogmatism my "friend" but the opposite. --Paweł Ł Zawada (talk) 01:16, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

You are ARBEIT oriented that is not necessarily bad but more important are ethical basics.--Paweł Ł Zawada (talk) 01:19, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

I like same real anarchists like w:Anarcho-syndicalism of w:Noam Chomsky but you look like pseudo anarchist: w:Anarcho-capitalism aka libertarian-ism supporter. --Paweł Ł Zawada (talk) 01:24, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

You should already know that the only powerful and real anarchy movement is w:Anarcho-syndicalism, the rest is practically nonexistant, and did not last, only this one saved some libertarians & anarchists[1]--Paweł Ł Zawada (talk) 06:46, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

  1. Poznań 2014, Msc. M. Drabiński, foreword Dr. w:pl:Rafał Chwedoruk (Warsaw University), "ANARCHOSYNDYKALIZM w EUROPIE teoria i praktyka", Oficyna Wydawnicza Bractwa "Trójka", Licence: CC BY-NC 3.0 PL (nota bene: even Wikipedia has more free License, but they need paper ;)

I have been so busy with so many things I did not have time to respond to your comments earlier, when you reposted this section here, and do not have much time now.

I can recognize and accept that English is probably not your primary language, but many of your assertions actually do not provide very clear statements of sense, as they use largely obscure terms or neologisms and jargon of very little familiarity to most people, including those statements you have attempted to add into the introduction of the article. You seem to me to be intent on publicizing your own particular ideas on a few things, and I have no objection to you doing this in proper forums, but the lines you have been adding to the article introduction have not seemed either helpful or appropriate to me, as resembling anything close to prominent currents of thought and expression on the matter.

You also seem to be making some rather unwarranted assumptions about the narrowness or specificity of some of the social concepts which I can or cannot appreciate, but I can and do have a great deal of respect for the applicability or appropriateness of a wide range of opinions, beliefs and strategies in regard to many matters, among those who consistently and fairly adhere to them, even those ideas which I ultimately tend to disagree with, or reject as not widely or permanently viable for many.

I remain a bit preoccupied with many other things, in the relatively little time I have been able to spend here lately, and I probably won't have time to respond much further to some of your assertions, even to the extent I can find some aspects of them understandable or valid. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 22:44, 27 August 2015 (UTC) + tweaks

Thank you[edit]

Thank you so much for the warm and helpful welcome! WikiEditorial101 (talk) 00:32, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Proposed ban[edit]

Kalki, I have failed to give fair notice but I would like to inform you now that I have attempted to begin a vote on enforcing a Main Page image ban on your account. This is due to inexperience/ignorance and not lack of courtesy/respect. I hope you understand and I reiterate that this is not personal. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 13:50, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


Self serving books aren't reliable sources. Second Quantization (talk) 14:10, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Minimal mandates[edit]

Hello, Kalki; I am here to politely ask you to elaborate on this sentence, which you wrote at the Village Pump here: "I believe too many people have too little awareness and respect for the actual PRINCIPLES of MINIMAL mandates with which the Wikimedia wikis were founded"
Precisely, I want to know more about this concept of minimal mandates and where and to what extent it is a part of the Wikimedia project. Perhaps you could show me some links to learn more? Thanks, IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 03:54, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

I will attempt to address your request within the next couple of days. I had been intending to elaborate on such things soon at any rate. I will probably need to make reference to Wikipedia policies and practices, and perhaps some of the general Wikimedia policies which have always been accepted as indications of appropriate guidelines or mandates here, more than those relative few that have been explicitly developed here, some of which I have stated in the past I believe actually violate and betray some of the most important of the principles and practices established extensively in the founding years of the Wikimedia projects as stated by many of the policy pages, the founders, and the founding workers on the projects.
I currently remain busier with many other things than I had expected to be at this point in time. Though I began this month expecting to have more time to spare than I previously had most of this summer, in recent days and weeks, though some of my more routine tasks and activities have diminished in the time I need to spend upon them, other incidental tasks and activities have expanded in unanticipated ways to take up more of my time. I now expect any days which do permit me to have a few hours of activity here, rather than a few minutes, are likely to be the result of good luck, rather than such expectations as I can rely upon. I am presently hoping the next few days might yield a couple of these, but also know I will be engaged in a few unusual and time consuming things as well. I have already begun considering some points of some more extensive responses to this and previous queries or comments at the Village Pump, but I have no doubt it will take me a few hours concerted effort to compose, trim and review everything to my satisfaction, sometime within the coming days. ~ Kalki·· 23:23, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
I have as yet not had sufficient time to deal with this, amidst many other concerns. I just was able to check in here briefly the last couple of days, and now must leave again. I still intend to do a rather extensive exposition as soon as possible. I have only had time to do a few things here today, and I must be be leaving now. ~ Kalki·· 00:37, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Very well; I await patiently. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 06:42, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I was once again much busier elsewhere than I expected to be today, have only had the opportunity to check in here a very short while, and must be leaving again. I do expect MUCH more "time off" from other activities this weekend, and much of next week. I thus expect to have several days where I can probably work several hours at a time here, within the next week, and probably the week after that as well, and intend to use much of that time to address some current issues and discussions. ~ Kalki·· 00:29, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

I cannot rename people's accounts[edit]

Renaming people's accounts requires bureaucrat status, and that is something I neither possess nor desire.

I have stated a few times in the past that I actually cannot normally be reliably contacted by email, because I have often neglected to check on even my most used email accounts for weeks or sometimes even months at a time. I did happened to check one of my primary ones, which I use here, today, because I have recently been somewhat more involved with activities and options elsewhere, and I noted that there was very recently an email message by someone asking me to rename them here. I have not had that ability since I was a bureaucrat and personally do not wish those abilities back, as simply being an admin able to better fight vandalism and access and restore pages is about the full extent of any official privileges beyond those of any other editor which I actually desire here. ~ Kalki·· 23:00, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Actually, local bureaucrats can no longer rename accounts either. Since user accounts have been unified globally, they cannot be changed on individual local wikis. It is handled by global functionaries. ~ Ningauble (talk) 01:15, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

sourced quotes?[edit]

Hello where can I find sourced quotes? Since wikiquote does not like unsourced quotes. --Fdena (talk) 23:12, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Any sourced quotes are quotes that provide sufficient identification of their sources. In the case of the Odd Squad page which you created sourcing would involve citing the episodes in which any expressions that you quote occur. ~ Kalki·· 23:27, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
Brainyquote? etc

Where can i find good sourced quotes for people etc? Any help would be good. thanks. --Fdena (talk) 23:28, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Brainyquote is not considered a sufficient source. A source for any quote found without citation to published or recorded works found there or elsewhere should be sought through internet searches, especially in records of magazines or books online. ~ Kalki·· 23:33, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
This is way to hard sorry i have a mental disorder so iam kind of slow. mentorship would be nice. --Fdena (talk) 23:37, 28 September 2015 (UTC)


Hi! FYI: usurp request on meta. Best --Steinsplitter (talk) 10:16, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

I replied there. I have no objections to this name now being usurped. ~ Kalki·· 17:01, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

A Question About An Image[edit]

Hello, Kalki. I'm trying to add an image to a page I created yesterday, but I'm having difficulties: The page is for Harold Geneen, and the code I tried to use is :

File:Harold Geneen.jpg
Leadership cannot really be taught. It can only be learned.

Instead of the image that I wanted ( see Wikipedia page for Harold Geneen ) this code is producing a box with "Harold Geneen" in red letters, which I interpret as "File does not exist." I know you have worked with images extensively, which is why I'm bugging you with this question: what am I doing wrong, & what should I be doing instead? Thanking you in advance for any assistance you can give me - CononOfSamos (talk) 14:02, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

The problem is that the image is only a local upload to Wikipedia, under fair use, and not one available to free use at the commons, where all of the images we use here are located. Local uploads were disabled here by general agreement once the Commons became active, as far too complex and bothersome a responsibility for the limited active admins here to be involved with, in dealing with potential copyright infringements, and other problems. ~ Kalki·· 17:40, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks very much[edit]


Thanks very much for your efforts at Quote of the day !

They're looking a lot better and more professional these days.

Also, I really like this choice :

Great quote about freedom !

Hope you're doing well,

-- Cirt (talk) 23:16, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Your observations are noted. Within this world and many realms within it there is much freedom which has been constrained by the mechanizations of the crafty and clever and relatively witless and unwise. In this rather minor instance, what might seem "more professional" to some seems more simplistic, dimwitted, dull, drab, unimaginative and quite simple and easy and hardly worthy of time or note to me. That I am currently constraining myself to no more intelligent activities in making presentations for the quotes than any moron could in selecting only one image from those available and prominent at the commons makes me inclined to be much less involved spend much time here, and more involved in other activities where more intelligent activity is actually appreciated. I remain too busy with such things too spend much of my time here at present — but I expect that I will eventually have time to make further note on my own impressions, and many of the reasons for them, some time in the coming weeks. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 23:26, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Kalki, on reflection, your reply comments can seem like such beautiful and simultaneously hilarious poetry !!! :) -- Cirt (talk) 23:29, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Most of my statements are made with a careful balancing of various ranges of poetry and pragmatism. I do not have much more time to tarry here. I have to proceed to other tasks soon. ~ Kalki·· 23:32, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Wikiquote:Quote of the day/October 26, 2015 = Kalki, this is another great quote related to freedom of expression, thank you !!! -- Cirt (talk) 23:00, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Adding my own creation (Quote)[edit]

Hi Kalki,

I have question: Can I add my own creation of quote (statement) to the subject "Atom".
Is there any parameters that I should follow for this case.
Help me I am a beginner for doing this, you are so experienced Thats why I am asking you.

Thank you!

~ Sandeshkumar Madarwar (talk) 15:30, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

If there are significant statements you wish to make regarding the atom, your user page or user talk page would be appropriate places to present them. It is not proper for editors to add their own statements as quotes into the articles themselves; when this has been attempted a standard template is often used, which reads:
Thank you for your effort to contribute to our project, but Wikiquote exists for the collecting of notable quotations of famous people and famous works, not for the posting of quotations of people not yet famous in some field. Within bounds of Wikimedia policy, registered users can put quotes of themselves or people they know on their user pages. For a quick overview of what Wikiquote is, read Wikiquote:Wikiquote, and also What Wikiquote is not for a list of common activities that Wikiquote does not support.
One's user pages can provide a means for presenting general quotes of others in special ways, as I and others have done on some of our user pages, and these could also include statements of oneself upon various subjects. I might deal more extensively with presenting options in the use of user pages and various discussion pages in coming weeks, as some things which have been keeping me busy are coming to an end (though I anticipate many new things shall begin to occupy much of my time). ~ Kalki·· 22:23, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Why I think the quote is problematic.[edit]

1. It's his biographer. Why should the fawning statement of a biographer be quoted? 2. He never saw the performance. I know that because he's a FILM CRITIC, not a drama critic. 3. It's blatantly bs, and revisionist bs at that. Brando was never a Broadway star. His Streetcar performance won nothing more than a citation as "most promising young actor of the season". 4. To say he changed the rules of theater is ridiculous and frankly offensive to those who devoted themselves to the perishable but noble medium and thus have little film work to speak of. But that doesn't mean we don't know how they performed. I mean, if Brando rewrote the rules of the theater, Olivier invented the theater. Both are false.

I know I'm coming off as a pompous ass. And for that I am sorry. Monochrome Monitor (talk) 04:11, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Using quote of the day on Wikipedia[edit]

Can you help me with getting the Quote of the day on other wiki projects specifically Wikipedia via some template?

I was referred to your talk page by Cirt

You may be able to help?

It has been a long time since I have dealt to any great extent with many template and cross-wiki issues, and I certainly am not familiar with all the available options at this point. I do not know what I could immediately do in such regards other than creating and maintaining a page there that could be linked to, though others with more familiarity with cross-wiki links and their uses might be able to provide some other options.
I probably won’t have time to deal with the matter immediately, as I have many other matters to attend to. I might try experimenting and developing some options within the next few days, though I expect to be very busy with other things as well. ~ Kalki·· 00:12, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Great picture for the quote of the day, could I ask your opinion on Snow White and my about pages in general?[edit]

I was wondering if I could get some writing feedback from you, there's a discussion about me and my work on the administrators notice board. I think the about sections I've been making are seen as a good idea, yet for some reason the one I made for Snow White has been singled out as terrible even though it's no different than the other 20 about sections I've made for major works of film and television.

Also I wanted to say great quote of the day picture as well, and that I liked the one from V for Vendetta. Are there any quotes from an anime you think would be good quotes of the day, I know translations can be a bit rough sometimes and the writing quality varies, there's a lot of good series to choose from though. I'll be going on an extended break soon, hopefully self imposed, just thought I'd say hi/bye as I've enjoyed a lot of your quotes, like Zig Ziglar. CensoredScribe (talk) 22:03, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
I continue to be much busier than I had expected to be with other activities, and so I have not spent much time working here in recent days or weeks, and I have not yet examined your editing practices enough to make much comment upon them at this point. I still hope to have more time to spend here in coming weeks, but I have just recently arrived home, and I intend to leave again soon. There is quite a backlog of activities on my task list of things to do here, and I will probably attempt to examine your situation a bit more in the coming weeks. ~ Kalki·· 00:02, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, I'm going on wiki break today. I've had some categorization problems, like thinking group think counts as an interpersonal relationship (there's no page for team or team work), or with a lock being a form of technology, but for the most part if a category I add gets reverted I accept it and don't make similar mistakes, just different mistakes, for the most part I see Ninguable's points. I only have 4 edits that are being reverted which I continue to adamently contest, though I'm not reverting them anymore, Snow White, robot, propaganda and advertisement; propaganda and advertisement are as much art genres as science fiction or fantasy. The large number of mythological automatons on Wikipedia should warrant including robots as mythology, religion and art for the historica, modern and eventually future automatons showcased as art. The background info for Snow White is more relevant than notes from Gene Roddenberry's secretary, which memory alpha regards as important. Saying animators aren't important but actors are is ignoring the importance of animators, puppeteers and other technical workers in the creative arts. It would be one thing if Snow White had as a character had as many animators as Smaug in the Hobbit film, but she doesn't, there' just two and the animator I mentioned is famous enough to have a Wikipedia page. CensoredScribe (talk) 15:06, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Could you please move The Dark Knight to The Dark Knight (film)?[edit]

Thanks in advance, allixpeeke (talk) 09:01, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

UDScott (talk · contributions) has already done this today. ~ Kalki·· 23:54, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

John Kerry[edit]

File:Paris Shootings - The day after (22593523647).jpg
This Friday was absolutely indiscriminate. It wasn’t to aggrieve one particular sense of wrong. It was to terrorize people. It was to attack everything that we do stand for. ~ John Kerry
I actually am interested in exposing and fighting against many forms of ignorance, confusion and stupidity without needless malice towards those most inclined to various forms of it, and without pardon or excuses for any forms of malicious intentions on the part of anyone. ~ Kalki

Nice try to dilute and change the focus of that (I admit embarrassing) quote, but what he says is still debased and idiotic. ~ DanielTom (talk) 01:40, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Some of what he said was debased and idiotic, and debased idiotically also. It is ever the most debased and idiotic impulses of people which impel them to most persistently seek the emphasize or exaggerate the debased and idiotic in others, and to ignore, deny or denigrate the good, in magnifying and even exalting many forms of evil and stupidity. I certainly did not change the focus of the statement that Kerry was making by quoting it more fully; the abbreviated form which others chose to present highlighted only his worst semantic stumbling — his very awkward and stupid fumbling with words, idiotically emphasizing an idiotic misstatement. That might to some extent be permissible to many amidst many forms of adversity, but not actually advantageous to the actual intelligence and integrity of human beings. I put the quote of the misstatement into its larger context to somewhat counter the efforts of those who attempt to make such misspoken words seem actually maintained policy assertions. I certainly can agree that what he said was at more than one point and in more than one way quite foolish and idiotic, and in more ways than many fools and idiots can easily discern — but the worst statement which those of low rational and moral integrity have chosen to focus upon was immediately retracted and much of its error mitigated somewhat. I have rejected the debased logic and moral idiocy of those who seek to gain opportunities to promote particular forms of extreme hatreds and bigotries against proper human diversity with false associations — rather than to transcend and reject all the foulest forms of false assertions, false association and foul bigotry. In extending the quote somewhat, to more of his statement he actually made, I simply provided more of the context of it. He obviously misspoke and and immediately corrected himself, to some extent, and I retained both the idiotic statement and the retraction of it, within the context of the general intention of the statement against the barbarity of terrorism and the rationales which support them. ~ Kalki·· 03:04, 18 November 2015 (UTC) + tweak
("I have rejected[embraced] the debased logic and moral idiocy of those [you, Kalki] who seek to gain opportunities to promote particular forms of extreme hatreds and bigotries [Islam] against proper human diversity" – FTFY.)
You write: "I certainly did not change the focus of the statement that Kerry was making by quoting it more fully ... In extending the quote somewhat, to more of his statement he actually made, I simply provided more of the context of it." Except that you put in bold whatever resonated with you personally, and not what made said idiotic statement notable in the first place. ~ DanielTom (talk) 04:19, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
Why should the idiotic mis-statement be the one which is made most notable? Why should attempts to make the stupid mis-statements of anyone seem justifications of stupid attitudes or policies some seek to promote not be countered with exposure of the fact that the comments quoted by them were clearly a stupid misstatement? When stupid statements are actually characteristic of personal or social policies advocated, they might properly be made more prominent with extensive exposure, and not be redeemed at all by further extension of such statements. I certainly am not as much interested as many people are in putting people down, emphasizing their mistakes and the most stupid aspects of their actions or statements, and the denigrating of many aspects and forms of Humanity. I actually am interested in exposing and fighting against many forms of ignorance, confusion and stupidity without needless malice towards those most inclined to various forms of it, and without pardon or excuses for any forms of malicious intentions on the part of anyone. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 11:48, 18 November 2015 (UTC) + tweaks
John Kerry: "There's something different about what happened from Charlie Hebdo, and I think everybody would feel that. There was a sort of particularized focus and perhaps even a legitimacy in terms of – not a legitimacy, but a rationale that you could attach yourself to somehow and say, okay, they're really angry because of this and that."
Kalki: "the general intention of the statement [was] against the barbarity of terrorism and the rationales which support them."
????? ~ DanielTom (talk) 13:56, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
I will point out the FACT that I certainly have NOT claimed that the rationale of Kerry's statements to the extent that you have been willing to quote them are of of great integrity or worth, but was asserting that the statements he was making beyond those you choose to emphasize so as to mock have greater notability and worth to most people who are not actually obsessed with finding ways to mock other people. You can stupidly repeat the most stupid aspects of his remark in order to make me seem to be stupidly assenting to something I actually do not, and people of shallow minds and petty interest in broad and deep issues might be satisfied with that, but people of integrity will merely be irritated. I am quite aware that there are all manner of distortions which can be made of people's statements and their general implications by picking and choosing portions of them in malicious ways so as to seem to make logically valid points through reliance on the fact that many people are not inclined to have much concern beyond what remarks might be presented to them in devious and deceiving ways, and little inclination to recognize or discern omissions and distortions that would be evident to further unprejudiced investigations.
The statements which immediately follow those you quote are those to which my assessments and assertions more properly apply:
This Friday was absolutely indiscriminate. It wasn’t to aggrieve one particular sense of wrong. It was to terrorize people. It was to attack everything that we do stand for. That’s not an exaggeration. It was to assault all sense of nationhood and nation-state and rule of law and decency, dignity, and just put fear into the community and say, “Here we are.” And for what? What’s the platform? What’s the grievance? That we’re not who they are? They kill people because of who they are and they kill people because of what they believe. And it’s indiscriminate. They kill Shia. They kill Yezidis. They kill Christians. They kill Druze. They kill Ismaili. They kill anybody who isn’t them and doesn’t pledge to be that. And they carry with them the greatest public display of misogyny that I’ve ever seen, not to mention a false claim regarding Islam. It has nothing to do with Islam; it has everything to do with criminality, with terror, with abuse, with psychopathism…
Those not much interested in maintaining respect for truths of great significance, so much as appearances of truths which can provide them some apparent advantages in their pursuit of shallow and petty interests and aims, might even admire such maneuvers as might seem clever to the malicious, in ignoring most of the context in which my statements were made about most of the context of his, but I cannot claim to have either much admiration for them, nor surprise at them. I now have other things to attend to once again, and soon must be leaving again, for at least an hour or so. Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 01:14, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
The rest of his statement in no way contradicts what he said about the Charlie Hebdo attack. Kerry clearly sees a "rationale" for the Charlie Hebdo murders, it was not a "mis-statement". But again, nice try. ~ DanielTom (talk) 01:54, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Images on Ethics (Spinoza)[edit]

I dispute your restoration of these images to the Ethics (Spinoza) page, which I consider to be irrelevant to their accompanying quotations:

An emotion, which is a passion, ceases to be a passion, as soon as we form a clear and distinct idea thereof.
The human mind cannot be absolutely destroyed with the body, but there remains of it something which is eternal.
How would it be possible, if salvation were ready to our hand, and could without great labour be found, that it should be by almost all men neglected? But all things excellent are as difficult as they are rare.
The mind has greater power over the emotions and is less subject thereto, in so far as it understands all things as necessary.

I especially reject the use of this Raelian symbol:

Human infirmity in moderating and checking the emotions I name bondage.

I would like to hear your thoughts on this issue and make discussion, that we may resolve this disagreement. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 16:31, 24 November 2015 (UTC)