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The imperialist ideology of force, from whatever side it comes, must be shattered for all time.
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I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs, that honesty is always the best policy.
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Every morning
I shall concern myself anew about the boundary
Between the love-deed-Yes and the power-deed-No
And pressing forward honor reality.

We cannot avoid
Using power,
Cannot escape the compulsion
To afflict the world,
So let us, cautious in diction
And mighty in contradiction,
Love powerfully.

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My political opinions lean more and more to Anarchyphilosophically understood, meaning abolition of control … The most improper job of any man … is bossing other men. Not one in a million is fit for it, and least of all those who seek the opportunity.
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All good men are Anarchists.

All cultured, kindly men; all gentlemen; all just men are Anarchists.
Jesus was an Anarchist.

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Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves:
be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
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Once for all, then, a short precept is given thee:
Love, and do what thou wilt.

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Love works magic.
It is the final purpose
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As soon as men live entirely in accord with the law of love natural to their hearts and now revealed to them, which excludes all resistance by violence, and therefore hold aloof from all participation in violence — as soon as this happens, not only will hundreds be unable to enslave millions, but not even millions will be able to enslave a single individual.
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That which is not just, is not Law; and that which is not Law, ought not to be obeyed.
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There is no greater mindlessness and absurdity than to force conscience and the spirit with external power, when only their creator has authority for them.
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Kids! Bringing about Armageddon can be dangerous. Do not attempt it in your own home.
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With this and other accounts I have made over 122,223 contributive edits, created well over 1001 pages and done substantial work on well over 1000 more, some of which are listed here. JUL Soul Iris.png
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This is the primary account of Kalki, who has also used many other account-names here, some since the very first days of this Wiki.

"If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it."
Foundational Principles against overly-controlling forces developing on the wikis.
Even if you have read them before, PLEASE EXAMINE ANEW: Wikipedia:Ignore all rules, and the other links available there, including the links delineating much which Wikipedia was NOT.
These were some of the earliest directives established by the founding workers on the Wikimedia projects.

"Ignore all rules: If rules make you nervous and depressed, and not desirous of participating in the wiki, then ignore them entirely and go about your business." ~ RulesToConsider
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I am one of the administrators here, which doesn't give me any special authority… only a bit more ability to keep others from misusing the privileges provided. I am in a period of very intermittent but gradually developing activity here, and follow no set schedule. ~ Kalki·· 03:22, 31 January 2015 (UTC)


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Everybody is a hero, a lover, a fool, a villain, everybody.
Everybody has their story to tell...

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I love my BELOVED
… ooh …
ALL and Everywhere.

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A master in the art of living draws no sharp distinction between his work and his play; his labor and his leisure; his mind and his body; his education and his recreation.
He hardly knows which is which.
He simply pursues his vision of excellence through whatever he is doing, and leaves others to determine whether he is working or playing.
To himself, he always appears to be doing both.
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The Dude abides.
I don't know about you but I take comfort in that.
It's good knowin' he's out there.
The Dude.
Takin' 'er easy for all us sinners.

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I am convinced that everyone can develop a good heart and a sense of universal responsibility with or without religion.
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I am an Anarchist not because I believe Anarchism is the final goal, but because there is no such thing as a final goal.
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I've never seen anybody really find the answer, but they think they have.
So they stop thinking.

But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom.
The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer.
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You are now an administrator.[edit]

Congratulations Kalki, it has been a long time coming. I would like to caution you on one point - as annoying as vandals can be, please deal with them compassionately. A vandal is someone who is blindly damaging something of value to others as a way to feel powerful, because they feel their own life is inadequate and a failure. No happy, successful person is sitting at their computer vandalizing Wikiquote. Treat these vandals with the same pity you would give to anyone whose life was such a wreck that they could not obtain a sense of validation through normal, productive means. Otherwise, good luck - be good and do well! BD2412 T 00:58, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Congrats, Kalki. Very well deserved. ~ DanielTom (talk) 01:36, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
  • End of an era, beginning of eternity. Congratulations. --Abd (talk) 01:47, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, everyone. I was attending to quite a few other things and only noticed the changes here in the last few minutes. I will attempt to get to work on a few things as soon as possible — including re-familiarizing myself with tools I haven't had in a few years, and many of the current options. I also need to start familiarizing myself more with cross-wiki issues I hadn't worked on in quite a while and have to become more acquainted with in coming weeks. BLESSINGS to all. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 02:09, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Congrats Kalki! I wish you only the best! Eurodyne (talk) 02:11, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Congratulations and good luck, -- Cirt (talk) 03:12, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi Kalki, my congratulations and all the best. -- Mdd (talk) 12:51, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks again to everyone — I have to be leaving within about a half hour now, and will probably be gone most of the day. I hope to do a little more before leaving, and much more here after I get back. ~ Kalki·· 12:54, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Congrats, and thanks for your help during my RFA. Illegitimate Barrister 21:30, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations (long overdue). Welcome back to the team. ~ UDScott (talk) 15:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Much thanks to everyone. Unfortunately I am a bit busy with many other matters, and it might be a week or more until I can spend much of a day here. Yesterday I was a bit busier with other things than I expected to be, and when I did finally get home, so tired I had to sleep — MUCH more than I usually do. I will probably be able to be able to do a bit here most days this week, but expect it will be longer before I am able to focus on it extensively, and develop some pages and ideas I am considering how best to work upon. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 15:41, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
  • I missed your RFA. Congratulations on becoming an admin! OccultZone (talk) 16:30, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. ~ Kalki·· 16:49, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

I remain extremely busy…[edit]

I anticipate remaining pre-occupied with many other activities and projects for at least a couple months now, and though I fully expect a nearly daily presence here, sometimes for many hours at a time, there will likely be some weeks where I can only spare more than a short time here a few days of the week. Today I just completed a necessary task, and sometime later today will probably attempt to complete several QOTD selections for a few days ahead, as the power conceivably could go out on me in coming days, but expect to be gone much of the day, busy with many other activities, and am perhaps not likely to have more than a few moments to check in here until sometime tomorrow. ~ Kalki·· 15:26, 8 February 2015 (UTC) +tweak


As I know you have commented often on this topic in the past, I thought you might have additional thoughts to add to a discussion, currently located here: User_talk:Cirt#Wikilinking_within_a_quote.3F. Thanks. ~ UDScott (talk) 14:53, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

I have just arrived home within the past few minutes, and will examine things more thoroughly before responding there. I have a few things to take care of first, and might be leaving again within a few hours, but should have time to make at least a brief response even if I do. I expect to be gone most of the day tomorrow, and much of the day Wednesday, so I will probably have limited time to comment for a few days. ~ Kalki·· 23:11, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
The discussion was moved to the Pump. Kalki, I have proposed developing a guideline on this, and the Pump discussion seems to be developing a consensus that this is the path to take, not some instant decision. Arguing the point there is probably wasted time, it's very clear there is no extant consensus, and there never has been one, and developing consensus takes time and effort. You can be sure that whatever your position is on this issue, it will be fully considered, before any policy or guideline becomes official, if I have anything to do with this process, and I probably will. --Abd (talk) 02:11, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Actually the generally freedoms of PERMITTING and even encouraging wikilinks and bolding HAVE come up several times before, as I believe others involved are very well aware, and with MOST of the active participants in the past ACCEPTING and APPROVING such options. Bringing it up again AS IF it hasn't been a generally accepted practice, in response to a recent users inquiry, in order to apparently once again attempt to constrain and restrict it is something I find rather objectionable in various ways, but I am considering how fully to attempt to respond to the matter at this point, and might delay making some of my observations on matters until I have taken care of a few other things of greater immediate urgency. ~ Kalki·· 02:22, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Response to vandalism[edit]

I have mentioned an edit of yours at [[1]]. Please consider your response to vandalism. It is possible that it is harming the wiki, by encouraging more of it. --Abd (talk) 01:54, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Though sometimes swift to bock people after a warning has been given, or obvious spambots on sight, I have never been inclined to block IPs or accounts other than spammers on the first edit without a warning, even with deliberate and obvious vandalism, unless it was quite apparent they were a new manifestations of long-term pattern vandals, with familiar phrases, expressions, or improper user names. I perhaps may seem obtuse in your view, but I genuinely fail to see how giving a warning to an anon IP without a clear pattern of behavior is " is harming the wiki" or actually "encouraging" vandalism. IF a new policy is developed which insists people should be more aggressive to apparent incidents of first time vandalism I might be sometimes inclined to be a bit harsher, but can't say I see where "harm" actually comes from waiting to respond to relatively trivial vandalism with a block until after defiance of a warning. ~ Kalki·· 02:07, 10 February 2015 (UTC) + tweaks
My issue is seeking consensus, Kalki, not pushing my opinion, nor, in fact, is your opinion the issue. If you "fail" to see what many others see, what does this indicate? "Obtuse"? Maybe. Your word, not mine.
The issue is not being "harsh," in fact. IP editors have nothing invested, it harms them very little -- or not at all -- if they are short-blocked. They don't care, and they expect and understand it. I haven't said anything about "relatively trivial vandalism," but only about blatant vandalism, and what I've said is actually global practice wrt "vandalism-only accounts," even registered ones. I pinged you here about the discussion there, because I used your talk page creation as an example. If you don't want to block these accounts, fine. Don't! I'm suggesting you not warn them, because that creates useless traffic.
We could also discuss blocking, specifically how to block, for maximum benefit and minimum damage. That is a separate discussion. --Abd (talk) 02:25, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
I am simply complying with what I believe has actually been general policy or guidelines here at wikiquote, and which I believe have never been radically changed. If there are new wikimedia-wide guidelines or mandates which have been developed of which I am unaware, I am willing to take such into consideration in altering my own practices. ~ Kalki·· 02:32, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Nobody is claiming "policy violation" here, Kalki. If there are local guidelines, I'd appreciate a pointer to them. There is no "mandate." There is no WMF-wide guideline, global guidelines are primitive and often out of sync with actual practice. You can see the opinion of a steward on the page where the discussion is taking place. Meanwhile, keep warm. I'm in similar weather to you, in Western Massachusetts. --Abd (talk) 03:50, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
I see Wikiquote:Vandalism. This was considered policy, but without the discussion that should precede policy designation. it was deprecated in 2007 to draft policy. Discussion on the talk page is primitive. Basically, one more example of long-term neglect. The result: long-term waste of time. --Abd (talk) 03:55, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


Apologies for opposing your RfA; I didn't notice your response there until now. I hope that won't preclude responses to questions I ask you in the future. Cheers, --L235 (talk) enwiki 21:11, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

I embrace no resentment of people acting honestly upon their actual impressions, even if I believe these to be mistaken, and though I can have anger at those acting dishonestly or unjustly in various ways, I believe that I actually develop and maintain very little resentment towards even such unfortunate people and their unfortunate attitudes. I hope to make that more plain in coming months and years, and to provide some of the reasons why I embrace such strategies and attitudes.
I believe many people have developed a rather poor and somewhat skewed impression of me, from the periodic need to specifically address various forms of error or defamation which I believe have occurred here in recent years. I believe that I am actually a very forgiving person — which seems odd to some, because I clearly can be and am a fierce fighter in many subtle and overt ways, including very harsh ones — against what I perceive to be injustices, hypocrisy, extreme distortions of truth by presentation of relatively irrelevant or very misleading facts and fictions, or outright lies. I see no innate contradiction in such attitudes, which impel me to be both fierce and forgiving in my efforts to be fair, but I recognize others can perceive this as paradoxical.
I believe that in coming months and years some will come to learn I have never been very easily duped in such ways as many might suppose I sometimes have been, and yet though I often incline to fight against the duplicity of those most inclined to dupe others, I do not always choose to do so, and am generally not inclined to punish, humiliate or afflict others any more than is needed to impel them to desist from forms of injustice. It is when people expect or demand flattery or even insincere and shallow homage from me towards any forms of error or hypocrisy, such as they often expect from many, that I generally cannot comply with their expectations, desires or demands.
The paths and patterns of such forms of ethical integrity as I embrace and promote as best I can are such things as I will probably touch upon more in coming months and years, for I have long been relatively silent upon many of the most important principles which have ever guided me, from earliest childhood, to a deep and profound reverence for the Beauty of Truth of ALL Awareness, Life and Love. ~ Kalki·· 23:17, 10 February 2015 (UTC) + tweaks

Actually, I was just aiming to fix the human nature/human nature issue, since it was complained of in the wikilinking discussion. The punctuation script just happened to be the last script I had handy. Cheers! BD2412 T 02:08, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

on WQ's influence[edit]

In correcting a few quotes from C. S. Lewis' Mere Christianity, I once again noticed how Wikiquote has helped to propagate many mistakes in wording of quotes into many websites, and even books.

Sometimes it can be funny though: after correcting this quote from The Silmarillion

  • "...and at long last an end had come to the Eldar, of story and of song", to
  • "...and an end was come for the Eldar of story and of song"

—, and in double-checking it on the web, I came across this blog post, which reads, in part:

Late last night we finished The Silmarillion, Marcus keeping my throat sustained with iced orange juice. The last sentence came hoarsely but triumphantly: ‘and at long last an end had come to the Eldar, of story and of song.’ I closed the book and we hugged each other in our excitement. Then we were sad; we had been reading this book together ‘forever’!

(My favorite incident so far has been seeing both a quote and a picture that I myself chose and added to the Virgil page being used by an economist in a post on the gold standard.)

I was going to stop editing for a while, but as Ningauble has apparently just quit(?), I might keep patrolling the recent changes myself, just to revert obvious vandalism, and the like, if needed—but I trust you will pay close enough attention to the recent changes yourself, should N. have truly given up (which would be a serious blow to WQ). Peace ~ DanielTom (talk) 02:26, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

From what little attention I have been able to give things, I believe he was merely expressing some frustrations with the ways people rather obviously abuse certain processes, and how little some seem to wish this to be recognized. Though I have been eager to enter some remarks about matters myself, I have refrained for many reasons, chief of them being I have been too busy to attend to them sufficiently at this time, and thought it best that I refrain until I can attend to things more closely. As it is, I had just sat down to do some QOTD work earlier, got called away suddenly for a few hours, and after returning have just completed some work on the QOTD, and must again be leaving, rather wearily, and even when I can return don’t expect to be rested well enough to do much here until tomorrow. ~ Kalki·· 23:49, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Further storm warnings impel me to further activities elsewhere... for now...[edit]

I just did some VERY brief work here before I have to leave and do some important things elsewhere, for probably several hours. I hope to do much more work here later today and tomorrow, before the winter storm which is approaching the region of the world in which I currently reside hits its peak. IF the storm permits me to, I hope to get a few crucial things done within the next couple of days, before being very busy elsewhere once again, probably for at least a few more days. ~ Kalki·· 15:26, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Once again only had time to do very brief work, and will be leaving again, within the next half hour or so. Might then, perhaps, have the opportunity within the next day or so to do a bit more than I have here in recent weeks. Am preparing to leave again even now. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 17:00, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
Stay warm! BD2412 T 21:44, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year of the Yáng![edit]

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Happy New Year! In the Chinese Calendar, as many of you are aware, it is now the Year of the Yáng — a Year of the Goat (or Sheep — or Ram). I had planned to make note of this, and a few other things, much earlier in the day, but was called away suddenly, before I had a chance to do so, and have just returned in time to do a bit of QOTD work, and must be leaving again soon. Will probably try to do more here within a few hours, but I expect to be extremely busy for at least another day or two, before I am likely to have much time to do much here. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 23:52, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Quote of the day today[edit]

Good song. :) -- Cirt (talk) 01:14, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Congrats on admin![edit]

Sorry I'm late ;-) Just congratulating you for finally getting the mop and bucket back! --Goldenburg111 23:18, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Unfortunately I have been too busy with other things to spend much time here lately, but expect to have at least a little more soon. I was away most of this day, arrived home a short while ago in time to do some QOTD work and must be leaving again soon. I might be able to do a bit more here in a few hours. ~ Kalki·· 23:23, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Hopeful of greater time for activity here in the next week or so...[edit]

I had actually had expected to have MUCH more time here today than I ended up having, but was called away early today, just as I was preparing to begin work here, and was busy with many things elsewhere most of the day. I expect to have at least slightly more time to work here in the upcoming week than I have had in recent weeks, and will attempt to examine and respond to some problems and issues which have recently been evident here in the coming days. There will still be some things keeping me busy elsewhere, but I don’t expect them to consume as much of my time in the coming week as they have recently. ~ Kalki·· 00:32, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Once again, in the past day, I was a bit busier with other matters than I had expected to be. I have just returned from being out in what is being forecast to be one of the coldest nights in many years in this area of Maine in which I reside, and the temperature was falling fast.
I expect to remain busy with many somewhat more urgent matters than some of those I perceive significant here, for the next day or two, but still am expecting a bit more "free-time" this week to work here than I have had lately. We shall see how things proceed, and I will probably do a bit more here before the night is over, amidst many other activities. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 00:17, 24 February 2015 (UTC) + tweaks
I have been away from my current residence more than I had expected in recent days, and even what few matters I have been able to attend to here have somewhat delayed me taking care of some urgent matters I expect to have done within the next few days, and others of significance which I hope to have done within the next couple of months.
Within the next month I will attempting to get many things done at my current residence, prior to moving back to my more usual residence, probably very early next month. I have been a bit more busy than anticipated with several things, and expect that many of my opportunities for relaxing will probably be diminishing in coming weeks. I do look forward to attending to a few things here as relatively relaxing compared to some other tasks, but know there are likely to be some frustrating contentions as well, and amidst many other activities keeping me busy, I am considering how best to engage in some of these. I will probably be too busy with other things to do much here for at least a few hours. So it goes.... ~ Kalki·· 00:24, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Expectations of more time to work here haven't worked out for me yet… I have been gone much of the day and must be leaving again soon. So it goes... ~ Kalki·· 23:14, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Expectations of much more time here for the next month or so are dimming considerably. I currently have so much on my agenda that I believe there will be many days where I can just briefly check in here. There will likely be a few when I can spend much time here, but not many. So it goes... ~ Kalki·· 20:47, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
I have recently had more excursions elsewhere than I had expected, but even when many of these end, I will probably usually be too busy with other things, even when I am home, to check in on the computer and here as often as I might like, for most days in the next couple of weeks. ~ Kalki·· 23:47, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

English Qs.[edit]

Two quick questions, if you don't mind.

.....and sourced it as best as I could. [2]

I wrote that in a hurry, but it doesn't sound right. 1) Can "source" be used as a verb (in the sense of finding and adding a source somewhere)? And 2) should it be "as best I could" (instead of "as best as I could")? Thanks ~ DanielTom (talk) 11:40, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Many words in English can be used in both verb and noun forms, though to do so is rarer with many words than with some commonly used in both ways. We have used "source" in both ways here for many years, though I believe it is relatively rarely used as a verb among most people. Either way of indicating you did "as best you could" are acceptable, though perhaps there would be some preference for the simpler form. I just checked in here and noticed your note and a few other things, and am perhaps just briefly back, as I have been more involved with many other things than I had anticipated in the last day or so. I might do a few things here within the next hour or so, before attending to many other things I expect to be busy with for at least a few days yet. ~ Kalki·· 12:54, 26 February 2015 (UTC)


Do you think you could add a quote by Leonard Nimoy today? Lots of pictures to choose from. I suggest using this quote. ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:20, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

I had been trying to arrange something for one by Michel de Montaigne, but agree Nimoy's death is significant enough to override anything I was developing on those lines. Your suggestion is a good one, and I will probably work on it or any other formal suggestions made within a few hours. I have to soon be leaving for at least an hour or two, but should be back in plenty of time to develop something to post. ~ Kalki·· 18:36, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
[3]? ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:45, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

I very briefly considered using two, but I believe it would probably be preferable to stick to just one, unless a choice had already been made, as had occurred in some cases in the past. ~ Kalki·· 18:49, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:54, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Wherever your life ends, it is all there. The advantage of living is not measured by length, but by use; some men have lived long, and lived little; attend to it while you are in it. It lies in your will, not in the number of years, for you to have lived enough.
~ Michel de Montaigne ~
The miracle is this
The more we share...
The more
We have
~ Leonard Nimoy ~

The above quote of Montaigne I had been considering actually probably would work well, with images of Nimoy and other things — but there are probably about 3 hours yet before a final decision must be made and your suggestion of the lines of Nimoy are some I will be thinking upon while I am gone. ~ Kalki·· 19:19, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Leonard Nimoy as Spock 1967.jpg
Space shuttle enterprise star trek-cropcast.jpg
Logo Ferderation.svg

The miracle is this
The more we share...
The more
We have

~ Leonard Nimoy ~
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Leonard Nimoy (5773917995).jpg
  Leonard Nimoy Spock 1966.JPG
Vulcan cosplayer.jpg
You had given me a private thanks for the layout, but I just decided to post the final result here, and thank you for having made the suggestion — I had been so busy at the time that I probably would not have heard of Nimoy's death for at least a few more hours had you not alerted me. Thanks. ~ Kalki·· 00:52, 10 March 2015 (UTC)


I changed your redirect. ~ DanielTom (talk) 22:39, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

No problem; seems appropriate. ~ Kalki·· 23:40, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
I also considered redirecting it to bravery or courage. What do you think? ~ DanielTom (talk) 23:57, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
The choice you made of "ability" was best; the others really don’t match the concept as well, and only have relatively loose association with it. ~ Kalki·· 00:04, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Hyperactive Absurdist in major transition period....[edit]

I just got home a short while ago, finished up a layout I had begun earlier for today's QOTD, literally at the very last minute by UT calculations, immediately did a selection and in a very few minutes had created an entire layout for tomorrow, but now have to begin attending to many other matters, and expect that for at least the next week or two to be so active with other things that it is very likely I will have very little time to spend here each day. AFTER that, within the next month or so, I actually DO expect to be able to devote extensive time to at least a few things here, but find it unlikely I will get around to doing some things I have been too busy to do for at least another week or two, and might often still have only a few minutes a day to spare to do things here. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 00:42, 10 March 2015 (UTC)


I need to remove uninformative quotes to make the page more usable. The Divine Milieu section should be completely removed because its informational content is close to zero. After that, I will fill the freed space with informative quotes. 16:28, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for engaging in dialogue, at this point, but I would assert that you do not "need" to remove what you personally consider "uninformative quotes" of the great philosophic mind of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin‎‎ which others have found acceptable and significant for some years. The casualness with which you assert a belief in such a "need" is VERY informative of many casual assumptions and rather sloppy thinking. I am very glad there is interest in adding to the page on your part, but ANY removals of valid quotations from ANY pages should be SPECIFIED with clear reasons, in edit summaries, and USUALLY should be discussed beforehand on talk pages. As I have sometimes tried to point out to others, over many years, this project exists as a gathering place for wit and wisdom and some tolerable silliness at times, it does NOT exist as a place where those who believe they have enough wit and wisdom to be extremely silly and extremely stupid to arrogantly decide with absolutist assumptions and presumptions what valid and permissible material others should NOT be exposed to, without ANY extensive debate on such matters, among those interested and involved in the project. If such an attitude persists, I will likely extend a block on that page from anon edits for more than an hour, and perhaps a few weeks or more. Please take into consideration that this is a project for collaboration amidst many possible contentions, NOT for imposing judgements without contentions by those who believe they are right and proper in their assessments beyond any doubts of disputes which others might make. Kalki·· 16:42, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Terry Pratchett[edit]

Sorry mate, I thought you'd see yesterday's edits (e.g. my updating categories) to the Terry Pratchett page, which you've edited significantly, and so become aware that he'd passed away, without my having to bother you again with another message here. Although I am admittedly not familiar with his writings, I did realize that he was significant to you (through all the bolding, wikilinks and pictures in the page). Okay, ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:23, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

No problem. It is no one else's duty to inform me of current events. I was so busy with several things I didn't have time to read all the edit summaries by generally trusted editors. I was somewhat disappointed to find no confirmation of the quote I had initially used to commemorate his life, as one of Pratchett's, as it had long been one I had much liked, and I just made corrections on the Discworld page and to the QOTD layout, based on my discoveries. I much liked Pratchett, and enjoyed what little of his work I have had a chance to read, and for many years had personally recommended Good Omens, his profoundly hilarious collaboration with Neil Gaiman, to people as one of the funniest satires I had ever read. I must be leaving soon, but will try to do a few things here, before doing so. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 17:34, 13 March 2015 (UTC) + tweaks

"WikiSummary" friendly criticism[edit]

Having just read the section started by the IP, above this one, I should perhaps remind you that you do go overboard sometimes. Don't take this the wrong way, but for example here you don't show any understanding of what "quotes" are. It's of course a natural tendency to post too much from a text that we find enjoyable, but we do need to have a sense of proportion. Keep in mind, Voltaire wrote over 2000 books and pamphlets. I have read a few dozens of them, in their original, but I would never consider myself an expert on Voltaire, and most certainly I would listen very carefully to the objections of any reader more knowledgeable than I on the subject, to having too many unimportant quotes in the page, from relatively minor works. A couple of weeks ago, I read his essay on Camoens (where he says the Lusiads steered a new course, &c.), and even though it was full of painful historical errors, I very much enjoyed it (because I am interested in such things) – but I didn't feel the need to flood Voltaire's Wikiquote page with it. Such long "quotes", from texts most people are not interested in, really do distract from the other more famous and notable quotes. "Space" should always be a concern. BTW, what is the English word for what students write down in a piece of paper (or tablets, nowadays) while studying, with the key points of the material that is going to be evaluated in the exam? "Synopsis"? Or "summary", maybe? Anyway, I get the sense that you sometimes do the same here, not just with quotes, but with bolding too, like a student underlining the stuff he thinks is most important in each passage... are we "Wikisummary"? ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:28, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Even before reading your comments I was examining and considering ways I might properly be less severe in some regards. I certainly do not wish to criticize any inclinations to honestly criticize me — and I will have a few harsh criticisms I will probably make of myself in coming months or even days, but I believe I have a very valid, extensive and profound awareness of what "quotes" are, and also understand what others often take them to be, and know that they are not always merely "quips" such as those who like to gain advantages without the discipline or burden of very much thought on their parts, or on those of their audiences. As to the words people use in diverse ways: many diverse sorts of summaries can go by many names, but to sum up some of my present concerns, I will state that some of this criticism is certainly valid, but disputable — as most assessments are, but I don’t have time to make much response presently. In recent days, and today, I have been busy with many things away from the computer, and must now AGAIN be leaving on an excursion to a nearby town, having just briefly gotten back from one. I had earlier hoped to have time to finish up a few things here, but did not, and will probably be back in time to catch up on at least a few necessary things, within a few hours. There are a few more things I would like to say on various issues, but don’t actually have time to do so, but might get back to addressing some of them within a few days or so. I actually expect this coming year will be one of the busiest of my life, in many ways, thus far, but I also expect to be able to take care of many more things here and elsewhere more rapidly as some things gradually or swiftly get done. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 00:33, 14 March 2015 (UTC) + tweaks

Pi QOTD[edit]

First thousand digits of pi..jpg
8-Signs KHORLO.svg


He does love his numbers
And they run, they run, they run him
In a great big circle
In a circle of infinity
3.14159 26535897932 3846 264 338 3279...

~ Kate Bush ~
Poly Ribbon.pngPolyamory.svg Disk root of naturals.svg Polyamory.svgPoly Ribbon.png
  JUL Iris Soul Palm.png

Did you see this? Someone complimented you. ~ DanielTom (talk) 23:08, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I hadn't noticed that. I had long intended to use the same layout of Kate with the π sign and numerical elaborations of it which I had used last year, and perhaps the hand with the dharma sun-star-cross-wheel on the other side from it — but I hadn't actually done much work on it, was trying to think of many other options which might work, and I actually had made no final decisions until the last few minutes, when most of the elements were swiftly gathered into a few slight variants, after I had returned from an excursion yesterday. I am now going to upload some images of pi-pies I made and ate this morning, to the Commons. I had meant to do that a bit earlier, but still have time to get them up to close this Pi-Day. ~ Kalki·· 23:15, 14 March 2015 (UTC) + tweaks
The voice recordings you used to upload to go along with the QTODs are of your own voice right? (I found it surprisingly low-pitched.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 23:23, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
I prefer to give no definite answers to some questions that it is not necessary for me to answer at this time. I am however quite proud of having made and eaten the Pi-pies pictured here — I had to do some editing in a rush, but did manage to get them posted on Pi-Day 2015 by UTC. I had made them prior to the "Pi-moment", ate the Pizza one just prior to it and the Fish-finger and custard one just after the moment. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 23:52, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
2π Pies.JPG
Fishfingers & Custard Pi-Pie.JPG
I need... I need... fish fingers… and custard!
~ Eleventh incarnation of The Doctor ~
Well, I would expect you to read quotes, especially poetry, with more passion, & fire. But worry not — one of the great thing about the Internet is that we get to read other people's posts with whatever voice we feel is most adequate ([4]). (I suppose the "Pi-moment" you're referring to was yesterday (March 14, '15) at 9:26:53... The pie and pizza look good.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 00:36, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Yes, so fortuitous a date provides such a "Pi-moment" only once in a century, on the 14th of March, and as "Pi-Day" has only gradually arisen as a celebration since the 1980's this was actually the first celebration of it ever — and thus my impulse to mark the occasion with 2π pies... So it goes. ~ Kalki·· 00:42, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
I actually had eaten fish-fingers and custard in relation to previous Doctor Who events prior to today, so I knew it actually is pleasant tasting, despite the rather ridiculous-sounding oddity of the combination. ~ Kalki·· 00:49, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
People celebrate for all sorts of "irrational" reasons. ~ DanielTom (talk) 01:00, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Indeed, and π is very real, and very significant, and very "irrational" and the implications of it in many ways provides many forms of intellectual and mystical and simply silly fun. ~ Kalki·· 01:09, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed[edit]

23:28, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

I am okay with the Kalkin account being renamed (which merely redirects to this one, on this wiki). I would have preferred to have retained it as an active alternative account, on some wikis, but in response to coercive demands I had agreed some years ago not to use any of my alternate accounts here to edit, and in meek deference to many forms of paranoia and hypocrisy I have not used any of my alternative accounts to edit in some years, on any of the Wikimedia wikis, though not without some consternation at the unjust constraints upon my genuinely creative, instructive and benevolent intentions. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 23:33, 17 March 2015 (UTC) + tweaks

I am assuming that only the Kalkin account will be affected, not my MUCH more used Kalki account. ~ Kalki·· 23:41, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Artur Balder[edit]

I am cleaning up the article. Also thanks for help. --W56J (talk) 03:34, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Your very welcome. I had been gone longer than I had intended on a couple excursions last night, and must soon be going off on another one, so I might not do much on the article myself immediately, as I attend to other things. I expect to be intensely busy for most of the next week, but when I get the chance will be checking in here often, and might do a little bit within the next hour or so. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 11:46, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
I find amazing your editing at the referenced article. I learned a lot witnessing it. Thank you for the lesson. --W56J (talk) 13:39, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
You are very welcome. I am always glad to help encourage involvement here in making significant contributions to the understandings of diverse forms of thought and reverence. ~ Kalki·· 13:44, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Let me guess[edit]

Let me guess. You're under 30, American and never attended university, hence your immature interpretation of Browne to tally with your pseudo-spirituality.—This unsigned comment is by (talkcontribs) .

Let me guess, in return, with a bit more elaboration — you seem to be an arrogant pseudo-intellectual absolutist with probably a slightly above average I.Q. who believes that their particular dull, stale, mentally constipated perspectives should be those which constrain the rights and tastes and expressions of everyone, and things should be censored enough to make their very limited intellects seem brilliant relative to others, even such as Thomas Browne, because even his wit and wisdom is often presented in such tepid and dull forms as they favor. I will state, that even as an absurdist, who does recognize the limits of many forms of absolutes, I can say that you are absolutely wrong on some of your apparent assumptions, and "guesses" though I will not specify which, at this time, though some of them might be revealed later in the year, as I unleash more of the information which I can to help many combat the ignorant and confused and misguided forms of absolutism which are normally encountered by most people in their daily lives. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 18:29, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Block vandal[edit]

Hi Kalki, can you block this vandal? User talk: Thanks in advance.--Syum90 (talk) 17:14, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Someone already has, for the time being. Thanks for the notice. ~ Kalki·· 17:24, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Chronology vs Alphabetical listings in theme pages[edit]

Hi Kalki. Thanks for your note about chronological vs. alphabetic organization of pages. You make a good point about duplication of quotations being easier to avoid in alphabetically sorted pages. I hadn't thought about that. My thinking is that a historical organization allows the reader to see the evolution of ideas on a subject over time. I understand your concern, and I will stop changing existing pages until we get a chance to discuss the subject more. Peter1c (talk) 00:58, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I am currently busy attending to many other things right now, on and off the internet and my computer, but expect to do a little more here within a few hours. I had hoped to be somewhat in a more restive period soon, but my current assessments are that I am going to be full-out busy with many things for at least some weeks yet, but I gradually should have more time for more extended periods of work here, rather than just brief glances in on things. So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 01:18, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


Reading this reminded me of a thanksgiving sermon for the restoration of the monarchy in Portugal (1823) preached by José Agostinho de Macedo in the presence of the King, in which he says (my translation):

"If I contemplate human Societies in their moral state, all that is required to make me fall into an abyss of horror and sorrow is the contemplation of the scourge that is called war. I will give it another name, and call it the universal grave of mankind, the most powerful weapon that sin put in the hands of death!! The War!! Ah! may its ominous shadow never darken our horizons! Lord, let me raise [...] this mourning veil, [...] be a peaceful King. Portuguese People, fear this devouring monster! The war of the Lord alone should arm your arms: ad praeliandum bella Domini: only when Religion is attacked, and the throne offended, defend yourselves: never provoke war, repel the aggressors of war. The war; this is the greatest scourge of the moral World!"

I thought you might enjoy it. The rest of the sermon is even more interesting, but I don't have time to translate it. Take care, DanielTom (talk) 23:18, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

I consider Daniel Morgan one of the most effective military commanders of the entire revolutionary war, and his victory at the Battle of Cowpens one of the most important of the war, and perhaps an indispensable one for the progression toward what became the victory of George Washington at Yorktown. In their own diverse ways, those two, Lafayette, and Ethan Allen have long been among the most impressive figures to me, in their various actions during that conflict. Don’t have much time to say more, because I must be leaving... So it goes Blessings. ~ Kalki·· 23:44, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

A notice against fanatically obtuse "Power Promotions"…[edit]

As the prompter of this section is an anon who seems to prefer using various IPs and not establishing any coherent identity beyond those discernible by the patterns of destructive editing which has been engaged in, this is a notice to the promoter of "Power" imagery and ideas who seeks to promote peculiar views which involve REMOVING of statements of ideas of others, and promoting peculiarly asinine and sociopathic views as if they were signs of "Greatness."

I am assuming, by the content and nature of your edits that you are the same person who made extensive destructive edits to Pierre Teilhard de Chardin page recently.

To all appearances, by your actions, you arrogantly and seem to have an infantile idea that you are somehow to be perceived as a "great man" in your REMOVAL of relevant statements of Quakers and the great Jewish philosopher Martin Buber on notions of power with edits summaries in doing so of "If power is understanding, then it behooves a great man to crave power."

You specifically REMOVED these relevant statements by the Quakers and Buber, among others:

  • Greatness by nature includes a power, but not a will to power. … The great man, whether we comprehend him in the most intense activity of his work or in the restful equipoise of his forces, is powerful, involuntarily and composedly powerful, but he is not avid for power. What he is avid for is the realization of what he has in mind, the incarnation of the spirit.
  • When we see a great man desiring power instead of his real goal we soon recognize that he is sick, or more precisely that his attitude to his work is sick. He overreaches himself, the work denies itself to him, the incarnation of the spirit no longer takes place, and to avoid the threat of senselessness he snatches after empty power. This sickness casts the genius on to the same level as those hysterical figures who, being by nature without power, slave for power, in order that they may enjoy the illusion that they are inwardly powerful, and who in this striving for power cannot let a pause intervene, since a pause would bring with it the possibility of self-reflection and self-reflection would bring collapse.
  • So long as a man’s power, that is, his capacity to realize what he has in mind, is bound to the goal, to the work, to the calling, it is, considered in itself, neither good nor evil, it is only a suitable or unsuitable instrument. But as soon as this bond with the goal is broken off or loosened, and the man ceases to think of power as the capacity to do something, but thinks of it as a possession, that is, thinks of power in itself, then his power, being cut off and self-satisfied, is evil; it is power withdrawn from responsibility, power which betrays the spirit, power in itself.

Though you seem interested in contributing some material, you seem MORE obsessed with REMOVING it, and thus seem to manifest a clear inclination to absolutist CENSORSHIP of any ideas contrary to one's own which is clearly evident in the highly DESTRUCTIVE pattern of editing you THUS far have been engaged in some of the pages you have afflicted.

I had previously been willing to retain some questionable material you had added, on another page than I had actually thought was clearly merited, and shall continue to retain those quotes you add which are clearly relevant to the subjects of the pages, yet by some of the very analogies you seem obsessed with promoting your very own "Destructive interference" against the normal process of this wiki in presenting diverse views, and retaining them, where relevant, is a SYMPTOM and testimony of the WEAKNESS of your own grasp of MANY of those ideas.

IF you were less fanatical in ERASING the ideas and presentations of OTHERS, I certainly could perhaps sympathize more readily with some of your desire to promote what you seem to believe are important facts, and which in some cases may be, and to various degrees your personal opinions about them, which might quite rightly seem very strangely deficient or deluded to others, whether or not they are right in any of their particular assessments as to why or how or not. Such are fates familiar to many of us, whether we regular indicate such things or not. I don’t have time to do a thorough assessment of what you might have added to the pages you recently edited, just now, as I must be leaving soon, but will probably add back any clearly relevant material you may have provided, later today. ~ Kalki·· 13:11, 29 March 2015 (UTC) + tweaks