Corrected source for "matrix" quote.
I can see no good source. (see diskussion in german version) 126.96.36.199 11:10, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
IMHO the english version of Max PLanck quotes (unlike the german page) makes Max PLank into an esotericist, there are so many UNVERIFIED (and probably miss-translated) quotes, really worse than worthless. Slack. I feel like deleting them all 188.8.131.52 11:10, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Science changes one funeral at a time
I've found this quote, "Science changes one funeral at a time", commonly attributed to Max Planck on the web. Any confirmation or something?
- This seems to be a paraphrase of one that is sourced upon the page. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 04:10, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
- paraphrased is NOT A QUOTE. delete it 184.108.40.206 11:10, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
- Sources should be provided before these are placed within the article.
- please someone delete them 220.127.116.11 11:10, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
- We may conclude that from what science teaches us, there is in nature an order independent of man's existence, a meaningful order to which nature and man are subordinate.
- This is widely attributed to Planck on the internet, but with no known citation to a published source.
- Experimenters are the striking force of science. The experiment is a question which science puts to nature. The measurement is the registration of nature’s answer. But before the question is put to nature, it must be formulated. Before the measurement result is used, it must be explained, i.e., the answer must be understood correctly. These two problems are obligations of the theoreticians.
- Very few Google hits for key phrases from this, and none are contemporaneous or authoritative. ~ Ningauble 16:24, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
I have found the second citation in an electronic edition of the Scientific Autobiography (1949) distributed by Open Road Integrated Media, Inc. Fortunately, the Google Books’ preview shows the page on which this citation is. The text there and the text you wrote slightly differ, but the meanings are the same. The Scientific Autobiography’s version follows: ‘Experimenters are the schocktroops of science. They perform the decisive experiments, carry out the all-important work of measurement. An experiment is a question which science poses to Nature, and a measurement is the recording of Nature’s answer. But before an experiment can be performed, it must be planned – the question to nature must be formulated before being posed. Before the result of a measurement can be used, it must be interpreted – Nature’s answer must be understood properly. These two tasks are those of theorists, who find himself always more and more dependent on the tools of abstract mathematics.’ Dropping out the second sentence, I have put it on the page.
Matter and consciousness
Dear Editors and Readers, I have removed the following citation „I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.” Rational: I checked this citation in its source – that is, on page 17. in the January 25, 1931 issue of the newspaper The Observer in the article entitled „Interviews with Great Scientists – VI. – Max Planck”, in the digital archive of The Guardian and Observer, and this citation has proved to be false. So, in accordance with my letters on this subject (my letter’s subject: a request regarding a Max Planck’s quote) sent to firstname.lastname@example.org (18.11.2017.), email@example.com (18.11.2017.), firstname.lastname@example.org (18.11.2017.), email@example.com (21.11.2017.), and having regard to the answer from firstname.lastname@example.org (20.11.2017), I decided to carry out the removal of this false citation and also its replacement with other ones. The file I attached to my letters contains a detailed reasoning.
Dear all. I took the liberty of double checking in The Observer, 25 January, 1931, p.17 (via ProQuest and the University of Sydney), and located the article "Interviews With Great Scientists. VI. - Max Planck". The interview by J. W. N. Sullivan does indeed include the said quote, verbatim, in the second column! (Copy available on request.) I therefore request that the quote be reinstated on the page. George963 au (talk) 15:31, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Dear All, I too have checked The Observer and the quote verbatim is: “Do you think that consciousness can be explained in terms of matter and its laws?” “No. I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.” It is worth noting that the interviewer prefaces his interview with the remark, "‘In my interview with him Professor Planck replied to all my questions with a quite remarkable lack of hesitation. It would seem that his ideas on these subjects are now definitely formed, or else that he thinks with remarkable rapidity – probably both suppositions are true". I think the quotation "I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness" should be restored to Wikiquote, and I have done so.