Talk:Metronome
Sufficient cleanup to remove tag?[edit]
@UDScott:: You sensibly tagged this Theme for cleanup in 2010, when it was an indiscriminate listing of online sentences criticizing the metronome, posted by a conflicted editor who was selling a substitute device. I started cleaning up this quote page after similar cleanup on w:Metronome, leaving reasonably detailed Edit Summaries for all my revisions. (The recent Metronome edit from 98* was also me, on a temporarily different wi-fi connection -- no intention to sockpuppet.)
Here in WQ, the Metronome quotes were unbalanced 10:1 Con:Pro, now "only" 3:1 after trimming dozens that were hopelessly non-notable even within this very narrow topic. The redundant References section is gone after consolidating all the citations beneath the individual quotes. Chronological orderings within the Pro & Con sections seemed to be the most coherent way to organize the remaining content. External Links to Wiktionary and Wikipedia were redundant to the intro paragraph and its first wiki link.
Based on your experience, which is about 300 times longer than mine on WQ, do you think these improvements are enough to remove your cleanup tag? Or do you see any obvious cleanup work that's still required for this Theme? Thanks very much for your expert guidance. -173.56.111.206 11:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- For the most part yes. I did one last bit of minor cleanup and added an External links section. I've removed the cleanup tag. Thanks for your work on the page. ~ UDScott (talk) 13:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- And thank you for the quick response! —173.56.111.206 23:31, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- "a conflicted editor who was selling a substitute device" . Which device was that? Thanks. JovialJediH (talk) 20:15, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Let's not publicize it again here. His verbose walls of text and chronic policy violations led to long-term wiki blocks, which he evades regularly with an endless series of new aliases like this one, by the dozen, on multiple wikis. RW should see that I've respectfully kept the substance of his Metronome contributions, while carefully conforming them to wiki standards and trimming the excessive repetition that he acknowledges as a weakness. I hope he will quietly accept this trimming in WQ & WP as a stable remedy in good faith, without the need for further attention by admins & checkusers who won't be pleased by the repeated block evasions. —173.56.111.206 23:31, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks. I've come to rely on some of the quotes on the page, that have now gone, such as the ones about "CDs and MIDI" and children's material; or the quote about how students today let the metronome tick all through a work (which is in contrast to typical historic usage).
- In contrast I kindof like the trimming of the main wikipedia article on the metronome, which was super long. I do however think it might still be lacking some aspects of research, that highlight today's modern blatant misregard, and blind misjudgment of historical tempo and metronome usage, basically similar to this quote by Donington: "[...]one of the most stubborn modern misconceptions concerning baroque music is that a metronomic regularity was intended.".
- I might have a go at adding something about that to the main wiki article. Feel free to improve it, once I've added it. JovialJediH (talk) 18:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Let's not publicize it again here. His verbose walls of text and chronic policy violations led to long-term wiki blocks, which he evades regularly with an endless series of new aliases like this one, by the dozen, on multiple wikis. RW should see that I've respectfully kept the substance of his Metronome contributions, while carefully conforming them to wiki standards and trimming the excessive repetition that he acknowledges as a weakness. I hope he will quietly accept this trimming in WQ & WP as a stable remedy in good faith, without the need for further attention by admins & checkusers who won't be pleased by the repeated block evasions. —173.56.111.206 23:31, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Not only have some quotes been removed others have been shortened. The one by Franz Petersilea had important information regarding "The music chosen for lessons and studies must be free from features, which require or admit expression." (link) which is now missing. etc. Why? I'm not all that happy about that, to be honest. (I have not checked every quotation etc. since I don't have the time, but I worry that important information might now be missing.) JovialJediH (talk) 19:15, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
"Old" removed quotes[edit]
If you are looking for some of the old quotes that have been on this page for some 13 years, then see here: https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Metronome&oldid=3481138 JovialJediH (talk) 20:13, 1 April 2024 (UTC)