Talk:Swami Vivekananda

Censored quotes

Quotes added recently were not moved to talk. I am moving them here for MonsterHunter32 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) to save him this work, since he repeatedly refuses to do it despite being asked MANY times by many users.

But MonsterHunter32 still needs to give full reasoning (for each removed quote) on the talkpage.

• All deleted quotes must at the very least be moved by him to the article talkpage with a note that they were removed from the article, giving full reasoning (for each removed quote), as required by Template:Remove.

Now you are again doing deliberate misrepresenations when you claim you have discussed the quotes. You have almost never yourself moved quotes to the talkpage with full reasoning as was asked dozens of time by mulitple users.

What I ask as a minimal first step from you is that you move all your deleted quotes to the article talkpages with a note that they were removed from the article, giving full reasoning.

This is a minimal first step that is required to enable the further discussion of the removed quotes, and that you have refused to do despite being asked so many times by multiple users. Until you do that, what you say are just poor excuses. You have failed to provide your reasoning for each deleted quote on the talkpage despite being told many times by many users. And in most cases you did not even move the censored quotes to the talkpage.

• All quotes censored by MonsterHunter32 must at the very least be moved by him to the article talkpage with a note that they were removed from the article, giving full reasoning (for each removed quote), as required by Template:Remove. Otherwise, the status quo (uncensored) version should be kept.

• As long as you refuse to even move the censored quotes to the article talkpage with a note that they were removed from the article, giving full reasoning, which was asked by many people many times, you are just giving poor excuses to avoid open discussion where other editors are also involved. --Jedi3 (talk) 08:47, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Here you see an overview with the current status (which does not even include all of the deleted quotes):

Article Discussion page	Number of censored quotes	MonsterHunter32 moved censored quotes to talk?	MonsterHunter32 gave full reasoning for deletions on talk?	Current status
* Talk:Aurangzeb	Almost 40 quotes.	The quotes added on 23 March were NOT moved to talk. The previously added quotes were added to talk.	Reasoning for ONE quote (Will Durant quote) given, but no consensus achieved.	MonsterHunter32 needs to give full reasoning for each of the rest of the DELETED quotes on the talkpage. Comments from other editors about the Will Durant quote needed. Please see discussion at Talk:India#Summary_table.
* Talk:Somnath temple	2 quotes.	Started deleting quote on 7 January, moved ONE quote to talk on 21 January. Second quote not moved to talk by MH32.	Reasoning given for ONE quote, but no consensus achieved. Second DELETED quote needs reasoning. Comments from other editors needed.	Comments from other editors about the Wilkie Collins quote needed. Please see discussion at Talk:India#Summary_table.
* Talk:Swami Vivekananda	1 quote.	No. He refused to move it to talk despite being asked many times.	No reasoning given on talk.	MonsterHunter32 needs to give full reasoning for the DELETED quote on the talkpage.
* Talk:Historical negationism	1 quote.	No. He refused to move it to talk despite being asked many times.	No reasoning given on talk.	MonsterHunter32 needs to give full reasoning for the censored quote on the talkpage.
* Talk:Slavery in India	3 quotes.	No. He refused to move the censored quotes to talk despite being asked many times.	No reasoning given on talk.	MonsterHunter32 needs to give full reasoning for each of the DELETED quotes on the talkpage.
* Talk:Muhammad bin Qasim	About 15 quotes.	No. He refused to move the censored quotes to talk despite being asked many times.	No reasoning given on talk.	MonsterHunter32 needs to give full reasoning for each of the DELETED quotes on the talkpage.
* Talk:Malabar rebellion	1 quote.	No. He refused to move it to talk despite being asked many times.	No reasoning given on talk.	MonsterHunter32 needs to give full reasoning for the censored quote on the talkpage.

Quote

• Swami Vivekananda's close associate Sister Nivedita testifies that Swamiji was a great devotee of the Buddha: 'Again and again he would return upon the note of perfect rationality in his hero. Buddha was to him not only the greatest of Aryans but also 'the one absolutely sane man' that the world had ever seen. How he had refused worship! (...) How vast had been the freedom and humility of the Blessed One! (...) He alone was able to free religion entirely from the argument of the supernatural, and yet make it as binding in its force, and as living in its appeal, as it had ever been." Sister Nivedita also relates that Swamiji's first act after taking Sannyas was to "hurry to Bodh Gaya, and sit under the great tree"; and that his last journey, too, had taken him to Bodh Gaya.
  • Sister Nivedita, quoted from Elst, Koenraad (2002). Who is a Hindu?: Hindu revivalist views of Animism, Buddhism, Sikhism, and other offshoots of Hinduism. ISBN 978-8185990743, quoting Sister Nivedita: The Master as I Saw Him, p. 210-215.

Paul

Anyone have an authoritative source that Swami Vivekananda wrote:

"Like me or Hate me, both are in my favor, If you like me I am in your Heart, If you hate me I am in your mind."

http://rishikajain.com/tag/swami-vivekananda/

Paul Foxworthy (talk) 01:08, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

MonsterHunter32's deletions

As was told to you multiple times by mulitiple editors, you have to have move quotes to the talkpage that you want to blank from the article, with an explanation. See Template:Remove --Jedi3 (talk) 17:50, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Template:Remove: Quotes should never be removed without a comment in the edit summary, and should almost always be moved to the Talk page with a note that they were removed from the article, giving full reasoning. Otherwise the deletions can be reverted on that ground alone. --Jedi3 (talk) 20:20, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Due to the continued refusal of User:MonsterHunter32 to move deleted quotes to the talkpage with full reasoning, as was told to him by many users many times, I am copying them here in one place (they are all India-related), so that others interested in the same topic area can comment on it in one place.

He was warned many times by multiple users that per Template:Remove the following is valid and must be observed:

• All deleted quotes must at the very least be moved by him to the article talkpage with a note that they were removed from the article, giving full reasoning (for each removed quote), as required by Template:Remove. Otherwise, the status quo (uncensored) version should be kept.

See Talk:India#Censorship_of_sourced_quotes_by_User:MonsterHunter32

He has done dozens of blankings of my additions, most of them without ANY discussion on the talkpage, without moving the censored quotes to talk, and with very poor excuses (like that he only needs to "explain" his mass-blanking of many quotes in the same edit in his edit summary). .He refuses to discuss to discuss his censorship on talk, and just continues edit-warring.

The deleted quote is very eloquently written, and as the quote makes clear it describes an imporant part of Vivekanandas beliefs and life. Sister Nivedita was a very important disciple of Vivekanda, her view on Vivekananda deserve to be quoted. This quote strings her views on Vivekandana relationship with Buddhism together in one short, concise and apt memorable quote that is also eloquent. But if you can find a better quote about the same topic that is equally eloquent, concise and apt, we can discuss it. --Jedi3 (talk) 19:39, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

I offered BD2412 to move quotes instead of him. The only reason I didn't move them earlier because I thought it would be better to discuss one article and one quote at a time. I removed them because I thought of them as non-notable:

• Swami Vivekananda's close associate Sister Nivedita testifies that Swamiji was a great devotee of the Buddha: 'Again and again he would return upon the note of perfect rationality in his hero. Buddha was to him not only the greatest of Aryans but also 'the one absolutely sane man' that the world had ever seen. How he had refused worship! (...) How vast had been the freedom and humility of the Blessed One! (...) He alone was able to free religion entirely from the argument of the supernatural, and yet make it as binding in its force, and as living in its appeal, as it had ever been." Sister Nivedita also relates that Swamiji's first act after taking Sannyas was to "hurry to Bodh Gaya, and sit under the great tree"; and that his last journey, too, had taken him to Bodh Gaya.
  • Sister Nivedita, quoted from Elst, Koenraad (2002). Who is a Hindu?: Hindu revivalist views of Animism, Buddhism, Sikhism, and other offshoots of Hinduism. ISBN 978-8185990743, quoting Sister Nivedita: The Master as I Saw Him, p. 210-215.