Talk:Tipu Sultan

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Removed unsourced quote[edit]

Hello, after reading the article I removed an unsourced claim which User:Nvvchar made. He claimed it as a quote of Tipu's sayings inscribed on his sword. However, the source he used never claimed Tipu ever said it nor calls it as his saying. The source "Mysore Gazetteer" in question is here: [1]. It can be seen the source nowhere claims the inscription was Tipu's sayings. The addition of it as a quote and sayings of Tipu is thus unsourced as the source never claimed it was. WQ:SAU allows removal of unsourced sections and thus I have been forced to remove it which Jedi3 claimed was Tipu’s sayings without verification. 01:09, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Removed irrelevant quote[edit]

Hello, I removed an irrelevant non-notable quote from User:Jedi3 from a fictional novel. The quote doesn't even have Tipu Sultan as the main subject. He is only mentioned. The main topic as can be seen is the moonstone. Quotes should be on-topic. Also it is not notable by much, even if the author might be, everything they say doesn't become notable. Therefore, there is no reason why it should remain here. 18:23, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Here's the quote:

The Moonstone passed (carrying its curse with it) from one lawless Mohammedan hand to another; and still, through all chances and changes, the successors of the three guardian priests kept their watch, waiting the day when the will of Vishnu the Preserver should restore to them their sacred gem. Time rolled on from the first to the last years of the eighteenth Christian century. The Diamond fell into the possession of Tippoo, Sultan of Seringapatam, who caused it to be placed as an ornament in the handle of a dagger, and who commanded it to be kept among the choicest treasures of his armoury. Even then--in the palace of the Sultan himself--the three guardian priests still kept their watch in secret. There were three officers of Tippoo’s household, strangers to the rest, who had won their master’s confidence by conforming, or appearing to conform, to the Mussulman faith; and to those three men report pointed as the three priests in disguise.

Removed quotes[edit]

I offered to volunteerly move these quotes. The only reason I didn't earlier was because I thought it better to discuss one article at a time. As these quotes I felt were non-notable I removed them:

  • As soon as he had conquered Egypt, he will establish relations with the Indian princes and, together with them, attack the English in their possessions.
  • Having occupied and fortified Egypt, we shall send a force of 15,000 men from Suez to India, to join the forces of Tipu-Sahib and drive away the English.
  • "It was not only against the Brahmins who were thus put in a state of terror of forcible circumcision and conversion; but against all sections of Hindus. In August, 1788, a Raja of the Kshatriya family of Parappanad and also Trichera Thiruppad, a chieftain of Nilamboor, and many other Hindu nobles who had been carried away earlier to Coimbatore by Tipu Sultan, were forcibly circumcised and forced to cat beef. Nairs in desperation, under the circumstances, rose up against their Muslim oppressors under Tipu's command in South Malabar and the Hindus of Coorg in the North also joined them (p. 507).
    • Malabar Manual by William Logan (Printed and published by Charitram Publications under the editorship of Dr. C.K, Kareem, Trivandrum). p. 500. Quoted in Ravi Varma, " TIPU SULTAN: AS KNOWN IN KERALA" in Tipu Sultan: Villain or hero? : an anthology. (1993). Also quoted in Ravi Varma, " Tipu Sultan: As Known In Kerala" in Tipu Sultan: Villain or hero? : an anthology. (1993).
  • "Hindus, especially Nairs and chieftains who resisted Islamic cruelties, were the main targets of Tipu's anger. Hundreds of Nair women and children were abducted to Sreerangapatanam or sold as slaves to the Dutch. Nairs were hunted down and killed and also deprived of all traditional and social privileges. Thousands of Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Nairs and other respected classes of Hindus were forcibly converted to Islam or driven out of their traditional ancestral homes. Thousands sought refuge in Travancore State while hundreds fled to forests and hills to escape Tipu's atrocities which had completely shaken their sense of security." "The new phase of Mysore administration in Kerala resulted in unending wars. Extreme cruelties of the invading army had badly affected every section of the society, leading to the mass exodus of people from Malabar." "Many Hindu temples, royal houses and chieftain families were destroyed and plundered. The exodus of Brahmins and Kshatriyas who were the patrons and custodians of traditional arts and culture, resulted in stagnation in the cultural field also."
    • History of Kerala by A. Sreedhara Menon. Also quoted in Ravi Varma, " Tipu Sultan: As Known In Kerala" in Tipu Sultan: Villain or hero? : an anthology. (1993).
  • The Sultan, therefore, in his infancy being like all children fond of play, and as in that space boys of Kinhiri Brahmin castes assembled to amuse themselves, was accustomed to quit the house to see them play, or play with them' It happened one day that a Fakir (a religious mendicant) a man of saint-like mind passed that way, and seeing the Sultan gave him a life bestowing benediction, saying to him, 'Fortunate child, at a future time thou will be the king of this country, and whey thy time comes, remember my words-take this temple and destroy it, and build a Masjid in its place, and for ages it will remain a memorial of thee.' The Sultan smiled, and in reply told him, 'that whenever, by his blessing, he should become a Padishah, or king, he would do as he (the Fakir) directed.' When, therefore, after a short time his father became a prince, the possessor of wealth and territory, he remembered his promise, and after his return from Nagar and Gorial Bundar, he purchased the temple from the adorers of the image in it (which after all was nothing but the figure of a bull, made of brick and mortar) with their goodwill, and the Brahmins, therefore, taking away their image, placed it in the Deorhi Peenth, and the temple was pulled down, and the foundations of a new Masjid raised on the site, agreeably to a plan of the Mosque built by Ali Adil Shah, at Bijapur, and brought thence.
    • History of Tipu Sultan Being a Continuation of The Neshan-i-Hyduri, translated from Persian by Col. W. Miles, first published 1864, New Delhi Reprint, 1986, pp. 66-67. Also quoted in S.R. Goel, Hindu Temples - What Happened to them
  • The sword of Tipu, i.e., the one he usually used and reckoned distinctively his own, being one usually placed in his Musnud, was presented, on behalf of the British Army, by Major Allan, Deputy Quarter-Master-General in person, at Madras, to Marquess Wellesley. [...] On the handle of the sword presented by him to Marquess Wellesley was the following inscription:—
    My victorious sabre is lightning for the destruction of the unbelievers. Haidar, the Lord of the Faith, is victorious for my advantage. And, moreover, he destroyed the wicked race who were unbelievers. Praise be to him, who is the Lord of the Worlds! Thou art our Lord, support us against the people who are unbelievers. He to whom the Lord giveth victory prevails over all (mankind). Oh Lord, make him victorious, who promoteth the faith of Muhammad. Confound him, who refuseth the faith of Muhammad; and withhold us from those who are so inclined. The Lord is predominant over his own works. Victory and conquest are from the Almighty. Bring happy tidings, Oh Muhammad, to the faithful; for God is the kind protector and is the most merciful of the merciful. If God assists thee, thou wilt prosper. May the Lord God assist thee, Oh Muhammad, with mighty victory.
    • Mysore Gazetteer, Volume 2, Part 4, eds. Conjeeveram Hayavadana Rao and Benjamin Lewis Rice (Bangalore: Government Press, 1930), Ch. 9, pp. 2697–2698
This inscription on the sword of Tipu, censored by MonsterHunter32 here, should be restored. It appears in recent biographies of Tipu and other books and seems to be a popular question online, with whole articles devoted to it (for example this one on and this one posted on just six days ago). It also appears in Wikipedia's article on Tipu Sultan, so why shouldn't it appear in Wikiquote's article where it more properly belongs? ~ DanielTom (talk) 15:16, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
DanielTom When I tried to search it, I cannot find the quote beyond 3 books of the same one author. See here. I can't even seem to find it much on search itself.
The only other significant exclusion on Google search is another book on I found. Of course there may be a few more websites, but we aren't talking about social media or Quora here which may only push the quote for ulterior purpose and where anyone can add anything. Did I make it up that is not famous or notable? Not at all. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 17:11, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
Try Googling "My victorious sabre is lightning for the destruction of the unbelievers" using quotation marks. ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:13, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
I Googled it, but I only found the inscription to be notable. Not the part outside it. Non-notable things should not be included. If you're okay with it, I'll only add the sword inscription. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 17:23, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
After some discussion on my talk page months ago, the sword inscription quote was given adequate context and moved to the article's About section. I don't mind if only the inscription part is retained, provided you give enough information in a sub-bullet to make its origin clear. ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:37, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
User:DanielTom The discussion you mention is not about notability, but about quote being of Tipu Sultan. I'm not blind. Anyway I'll remove the non-notable part. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 17:55, 24 April 2018 (UTC)