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Comment from village pump
Is Ningauble's comment accurate? Moulton had lead me to believe you had a topic ban regarding cold fusion, or maybe I misunderstood him. Was this the incident where arbcomm "shot the messenger"? Thenub314 15:19, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
- If you want to ask me what happened at en.wiki, that's a very complex story, but let's start with the cold fusion topic ban. That's expired, a few days ago. So Moulton was correct about it.
- As to the so-called "MYOB ban," (i.e., Mind Your Own Business), and yes, it's indef, Ningauble linked to the ArbComm case, it is RfAr/Abd-William M. Connolley; you can read that monster and try to find out what behavior of mine led to the MYOB ban, i.e., what had I done where they were trying to prevent a repetition? Let me put it this way: there wasn't any specific assertion, it was just an idea that came up during the case, rather abruptly reversing what had been proposed and considered before then. Because there was no underlying misbehavior pointed to, but only sort of some general opinion that I "talk too much," it was impossible to know what the actual purpose was, and that ban led to continued disruptive enforcement problems, wikilawyering to the point that the original language of the ban became interpreted opposite to its plain meaning, a huge mess. I don't think they will do it again!
- This is the bottom line, though: my understanding is that ArbComm is very concerned about the possibility of offending the "core." If you get a number of administrators upset with you, even if you are right as rain, ArbComm is worried that if they don't get rid of you, the admins will up and leave. So you will see decision after decision, where an administrator has offended in some way, that the admin gets at most a troutslap. Whereas a lesser offense by a non-admin, they throw the book at him or her.
- I had successfully challenged two admins for abusive actions. In the first case, the admin was reprimanded by ArbComm, in the second case, the one resulting in my ban, the fellow was actually desysopped. Basically, what I'd claimed was confirmed, but they decided to ban me anyway. The same crowd, which piled in with laundry lists of complaints about me, whose claims they seem to have been accepting, had been screaming for me to be banned since before the first case, simply for filing an RfC that was later 100% confirmed by ArbComm. It was actually open and shut. But the crowd didn't care about evidence. They cared about who was on their side and who apparently wasn't.
- The same former sysop is currently the subject of another case, because he and his friends continued pretty much as before. ArbComm has, shall we say, some severe problems, and they don't seem to be even close to solving them. It's pretty well known: if you are not an admin, file a case claiming admin abuse, that's the end of your Wikipedia career. Yes, they shoot the messenger. I was warned that they would ban me, by a former admin, highly respected, who agreed with me about the abuse -- and who certified my original RfC. She knew what I was up against. It wasn't just one admin, it was a whole faction, basically the same faction that Lar confronted and that the current RfAr on Climate Change is about, and that many other RfArs have been about: Pseudoscience, Fringe Science, Cold fusion, and some others. You'll see the same names popping up over and over.
- I wouldn't mention it if you didn't ask. --Abd 04:00, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
User:Abd/Erkut Erdogan has been listed at Votes for deletion. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/User:Abd/Erkut Erdogan. Thank you. ~ Ningauble 14:37, 4 September 2011 (UTC)