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[edit] A Question About the Winston Churchill Page

The Winston Churchill page has a "Disputed Quotations" section as well as a "Misattributed" section. In the words of a quote that I dimly recall, but cannot accurately recollect, "This seems excessive." It may be more than "a distinction without a difference", but the wisdom - and the effort - required to distinguish between these two categories seems pointless as a practical matter - IMHO, anyway. It occurred to me that it might be a Good Thing to address this matter before I go adding any more entries to either section, and, as you have been helpful to me in the past, I thought I would ask your opinion. I think these sections should be combined. What do you think?

~~ Archimedes

( Crap !! I can't remember now how to "sign" my entry properly. What a drag it is getting old ... )

Archimedes (talk) 21:48, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Ningauble: I posted the above prior to the point where I learned you had "gone fishing." Hope you're enjoying yourself, and I hope you catch something that is tasty, but not too bony. I will search for information / opinions elsewhere for right now, and I will check from time to time to see if / when you return. Archimedes (talk) 23:04, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

I will only comment here, rather than participate in drafting the guideline, because I am an identified incompetent. This is my presumably stupid, paranoid, and arrogant comment - Forgive me but perhaps I am not getting this comment, was this intended as sarcasm, or something else? Did I say or do something wrong? Or if this has nothing to do with me, then, please forgive my confusion here. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 00:44, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. Yes I was being sarcastic, and no it was not directed at you. I should probably stay on wikibreak. ~ Ningauble 01:12, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Okay, my apologies for my confusion! :) Cirt (talk) 04:34, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Fictional characters update

Hey, regarding Wikiquote_talk:Fictional_characters#Notability_exception, I just wanted to stop by and say that I agree with the changes BD2412 (talk · contributions) made there [1] - and I checked first with BD2412 who thinks it is okay as well [2]. There hasn't been any comment at that page in about a month - do you think we can mark that issue as resolved? :) Cheers, Cirt (talk) 18:24, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hello & Further ?s Re: Changing Username

Ningauble : Hello there! Nice to see U back, or are U mostly on break still? Would you like some dynamite to help with the fishing??

I already set up an account under Username:CononOfSamos at Wikipedia a while ago (back in early October, IIRC). However, the only edits I have made under this name to date have been to the User page and the Talk page associated with that account. And today, I set up a User page and Talk page for CononOfSamos here at Wikiquote. If I've understood the material you pointed me to, Archimedes could be renamed to the new name if the existing CononOfSamos records were deleted? Am I correct on that score? Or I could just stop using the Archimedes account? I was simply looking for a way that the edit history of Archimedes could be migrated to the new name. Sounds like that might be doable if the current CononOfSamos records were deleted, but I'm pretty sure that I could not do that ... but is it doable? Please advise ... Archimedes (talk) 03:26, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

In order to change Archimedes to CononOfSamos, the existing CononOfSamos would be usurped. The old CononOfSamos would not actually be deleted, it would be renamed to something arbitrary like "CononOfSamos (usurped)". Only a bureaucrat can do this. To request this change:
  1. Log in as CononOfSamos and post a message on Talk:CononOfSamos stating that you are the same person and approve Archimedes usurping CononOfSamos.
  2. Log in as Archimedes and post your request at WQ:USURP, mentioning or linking to the CononOfSamos message.
This will migrate the edit history of Archimedes to CononOfSamos, but remember that any posts you have previously signed as Archimedes will still display the Archimedes signature. To avoid confusion, you may want to put a notice on your user page explaining that you previously edited under that name. ~ Ningauble 15:19, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Ningauble - thank you so much for your assistance. I am currently logged in on both Wikipedia and Wikiquote as CononOfSamos. I will put a notice on my User Page as you suggest. Again, thanks. CononOfSamos (talk) 18:49, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Ningauble - I have created a section on CononOfSamos:Talk titled Usurpation. Please advise me there if there are further actions I need to take at this point in furtherance of this process. Again, thanks for your efforts. CononOfSamos (talk) 05:13, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Ningauble - FYI I also submitted a request at WQ:USURP, FWIW : hope it's satisfactory ... CononOfSamos (talk) 05:34, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Stub template

Please yes be my guest. :-) --Ole.Holm 17:41, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, I've created {{Geography-stub}} --Ole.Holm 15:29, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
I see there os a Category:Places. Should I have called it "Places-stub"? I much prefer my name, but will stop using it until there is a decision on harmonisation.--Ole.Holm 15:37, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
I don't have a strong preference, but I think I like "Place-stub" better because it could be used to sweep in odd little articles about buildings, schools, &tc. that show up occasionally. On the other hand, they are fairly rare, and could just as well be treated as generic themes. So, I dunno. ~ Ningauble 16:02, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] About Eugene F. Kranz‎'s Wikiquotes Page

Listen, Ningauble (if that's even your real name... [citation needed])... Eugene is pretty pissed you keep deleting that quote of his. I just got off the phone with him, and he is livid. I suggest you leave the quote there, unless you want "a Saturn V rocket up your ass" (another direct quote from Eugene). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.190.159.7 (talk • contribs) 02:58, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Rename

Please, take a look at my petition of renaming. [3]

I am not diretly involved in renaming. One of the bureaucrats may be able to assist you. ~ Ningauble 18:01, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] wittgenstein/thursday argument

Hi, I'm the guy who was aruging with thursday/kalki re. images & formatting vs content, to which you added some notes. She, as I suspect is her gender, has not addressed my points but is continuing to make many further edits which I question the value of. I dont' wish to stop her but I do wish to ask: is this appropriate behaviour? Is this beneficial, or vandalism albeit without the intent of deliberately deface? She seems to have done much that is positive, yet much that I doubt also. I don't want to pursue this as I don't have time, and more important I don't want my views alone to count - this is a community site and a single person has no right to undo so much formatting (equally, one person alone has no right to impose theirs, which is the point). Any thoughts? 92.29.90.232 21:21, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

First, to be clear, vandalism is a matter of intent. Whatever one may think of Kalki's exceptional enthusiasm for illustrations, there is absolutely no indication that it reflects malign intent. As for my own preference, it is not so strong that I would ask the community to reconsider its longstanding acceptance of the practice. If you ever do want to pursue this (or even if not), I encourage you to create an account. You are welcome to contribute without doing so, but your opinion will carry more weight if you make a name for yourself. ~ Ningauble 15:07, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the response. I wish to, but simply don't have time to, follow this up (I didn't really have time to argue with her either but there we go). I'll drop it here. Thanks again. 92.29.74.55 16:49, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Help!

Can you help me like a little on the new American Pie page? prolly you will see it on recient changes. My name is Sheila BTW! Real-life Daisy Duke

[edit] "Overlinking" in quotes.

How do you determine whether a link is "overlinking"? We are a wiki, it seems sensible to me that we should link terms in quotes to relevant theme articles. Cheers! BD2412 T 17:05, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Hypertext makes a virtue out of lack of organization, allowing ideas and thoughts to be juxtaposed at will. [...] The advent of hypertext is apt to make writing much more difficult, not easier. Good writing, that is.
—Donald Norman
Perhaps this should be discussed at Wikiquote:Manual of style#Free link style, where "This guideline has yet to be discussed for Wikiquote — some feel that it may not be appropriate in the middle of quotations."
I do appreciate the potential benefit of advertising Theme pages in this way, but I think it is outweighed by the drawbacks. I feel that links within quotes can lend a peculiar emphasis, and have the potential for adding a distorted POV to the author's words. I consider it a Good Thing™ to link People and Works to which the author refers, and I don't find it any more emphatic than capitalizing proper names; but I consider highlighting concepts with links to Theme articles distracting and potentially distorting. ~ Ningauble 18:55, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I agree that this calls for some centralized discussion, as I have made quite a few such links, and would like to see them remain. BD2412 T 21:17, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Ahmet çakar

Its passed January 15 which means its time for the Ahmet cakar page to disappear and its time to close its VFD.(StarWarsFanBoy 01:05, 17 January 2010 (UTC))

[edit] Boyle Roche Double Quote

Dear Ningauble,

Please note that I deleted a quote which was posted twice on Boyle Roche's page. I don't think we need double sourcing for a single quote. The quote in question is:

"It would surely be better ... to give up not only a part, but, if necessary, even the whole, of our constitution, to preserve the remainder!"

This is listed twice:

1) Arguing for the habeas corpus suspension bill in Ireland. Barrington, Jonah. "Chapter XVII". Personal sketches and recollections of his own times. 2) In parliament. Falkiner, C. Litton (1902). "Sir Boyle Roche". Studies in Irish History and Biography, mainly of the Eighteenth Century. New York: Longmans, Green, and Co.. pp. p.237.


Clearly, the first one addresses the quote more accurately (giving it's context, therefore, I deleted the second (or, at least, meant to do so). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 140.232.204.120 (talk)

Ok, I restored the second citation without duplicating the quote (and also noted that links for one of the sourced don't work). In the future, please use an edit summary to avoid misunderstandings. Thanks. ~ Ningauble 18:37, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Kane (Command & Conquer)

You forgot its talkpage when you deleted Kane.(StarWarsFanBoy 00:35, 18 January 2010 (UTC))

You also forgot Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Sarey Savy and Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Category:Pending deletions. Those two VFDs are a clear delete.(StarWarsFanBoy 19:27, 24 January 2010 (UTC))

[edit] Ida Friederike Görres

I hope you don't mind me asking you a question but I noticed you linked the wikiquote page to the main wikipedia page for gorres which I didn't know how to do and I've finished adding quotes from her book 'broken lights' and added images - I just wanted to know if I have broken copyright all over the place. I'm not a lawyer and I take copyright of the work to mean reproducing the text as a whole or substantially is against copyright, but am I right in thinking that. Is quoting as much as i have o.k or is it too much? If I write on other book articles , or authors what is a reasonable amount to quote? Do you have any advice? Sayerslle 01:58, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest in contributing to our project. To answer your question, and offer a couple other suggestions:
  1. There are quantitative guidelines on copyright at Wikiquote:Limits on quotations. It basically amounts to five lines of prose per ten pages of the book, as an upper limit. However, a reasonable amount, in terms of making a good quality quotations page, in usually much less. The object is to showcase the most outstandingly quotable bits, rather than to "cover the work" like a summary or condensed book. This is subjective, and not always easy to do!
  2. You identify the quotes as "from Broken Lights and The Hidden Face." Please indicate which quotes are from which publication, and identify the edition and translator. (See Louis IX of France for an example of how to do this with an annotated section heading.)
  3. The page layout, indicated in the "cleanup" template, should use a bulleted list of quotes with sub-bullets for citations. (See Ignatius of Loyola for an example of how to do this.) In addition to chapters/sections, page numbers are very useful.
This may be more advice than you asked for, but I hope you find it useful. Keep on quoting! ~ Ningauble 16:09, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll go back to the gorres page and add the bullet points and sub-bullets. Sayerslle 00:10, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Warning

You warned the wrong person. I moved your warning to the talk page of the my impersonator. I'm the real Michaeldsuarez; Michaeldsuarez, (notice the comma) is an impersonator who is attempting to trick users like yourself into blocking innocent victims like myself. Please view my Wikipedia talk page, and you'll see that I've been under attack by impersonators using modified versions of my username in order to troll me. Please ban Michaeldsuarez, since it's a single-purpose trolling account that can only do harm to me. Thanks. --Michaeldsuarez 14:54, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes check.svgY Blocked as an inappropriate username. I see the comma now that I have cleaned my glasses. ~ Ningauble 15:17, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. --Michaeldsuarez 15:21, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
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