Wikiquote talk:Quote of the day

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Proposals for "Quotes of the day" were once handled at Wikiquote:Quote of the day/Quote proposals, but now are usually made on pages for each month:

QOTD by month + Suggestions for: January - February - March - April - May - June - July - August - September - October - November - December

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Update[edit]

  1. Update: see recent change, at [1]
  2. Quotes will now each have their own page for each day of the year, and these will rotate automatically - but there will no longer be a new page for each individual date.
  3. In other words, instead of Wikiquote:Quote of the day/January 1, 2010, there will now just be one unified page for January 1, at Wikiquote:Quote of the day/January 1.
  4. All pages linked, at Wikiquote:Quote of the day/Index/Links
  5. In this manner, we can place archived quotes from prior years at the talk page of the pages by day by month, (example: the talk page for Wikiquote:Quote of the day/January 1 would contain archives of all previously used quotes).
  6. When it comes time to update a particular quote page, that page's coding is retained, and all that needs to be changed is the image and quote for that upcoming date - no longer do new pages need to be created, every day.
  7. This will make the whole process slightly easier and seamless - with less manual effort required to maintain it.

Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 08:12, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

This restructuring is evidently a work-in-progress, as it would take thousands of move/merge operations to assemble archives in the manner described, but I want to point out that the above linked new Wikiquote:Quote of the day/January 1 does not have the current Wikiquote:Quote of the day/January 1, 2010 as described, it has the quote used for 2009[2]. This being the case for most of the new pages year-to-date, it appears to be intentional, but I don't get it.

Note also that this page, Wikiquote:Quote of the day, displays {{QoD}}, which still uses the full month, day, & year to locate the current day's quote.

More generally, the plan for archiving quotes on talk pages such as Wikiquote talk:Quote of the day/January 1 seems partially redundant, except for the images, with content preserved on pages where quotes are proposed and discussed, such as January 1. Were these changes discussed with the person who usually maintains these pages? ~ Ningauble 14:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

  1. The pages are started initially simply as a placeholder.
  2. They can be updated with new quotes for each day, as the day arrives - just like with the old process.
  3. Yes, the talk pages are a helpful way to archive quotes by date and year, with images.
  4. Fixed the other template, so the two are now uniform.

-- Cirt (talk) 20:41, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Update: Randomizing coding is pending... -- Cirt (talk) 16:00, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Although it is certainly possible for improvements to be made in the system of Quote of the Day (QotD) processing, the recent changes in naming conventions and page linkage are not compatible with some of the features and processes associated with the overall QotD system, including but not limited to:
Today's quote has been posted in duplicate, using both naming conventions (belatedly, after the main page today initially displayed a quote from last year), but this workaround is not a feasible long-term solution.

For these reasons, and because Kalki, who normally maintains QotD pages but is not able to fix protected pages, has asked me to[3], I am rolling back the changes that were recently made to Wikiquote:Quote of the day, Template:QoD, and Template:Main Page Quote of the day. I am not, for the time being, going to revert hundreds of moves of individual pages[4] because the resulting redirects do not appear to be breaking anything, and because the new pages may be useful for a more integrated reorganization of the system. If it turns out they actually are disrupting something in unanticipated ways, I would be willing to help with fixing them.

I strongly encourage anyone who proposes improving the QotD system to discuss any radical or systemic changes before attempting to implement them, and to specifically solicit input from contributors who are regularly involved in the process or are knowledgeable about how it works. I am making only three changes as a quick fix for what appears to be broken currently, so it will be easy enough to sort out after a consensus is reached on how to proceed. ~ Ningauble 17:55, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

  1. Nothing is "broken" currently with the new organization.
  2. I was just about to implement a form of updated randomization, so that each day of the month rotated through multiple dates - this reverting by Ningauble (talk · contributions) makes that more difficult.
  3. Please revert back your changes, Ningauble (talk · contributions), so we can at least look at and discuss the updates.

Thank you, -- Cirt (talk) 03:12, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Like a few other extreme actions you have abruptly taken in the past few weeks, "the new organization" you are attempting to implement was done without ANY prior community discussion on the matter. I see NO advantages or desirability to your changes, and much that is clearly detrimental as it would eliminate the current archiving of pages in the style of the QOTD by month pages — which preserves a clear record of the displays presented on the main page a month at a time, and is actually one of the archives which I find most interesting to review and browse occasionally. There is much work I have to update on the other archives, as my daily activity has been much reduced here in the last year — but the QOTD by month remains totally current. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 03:44, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Kalki, please keep your comments focused to this particular process, and avoid comments directed at individual contributors, thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 03:46, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
THAT comment was obviously meant to "keep your comments focused to this particular process" and "and avoid comments directed at individual contributors". Thanks for the further display of blatant hypocrisy. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 03:52, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Kalki, I am not going to get into this with you here. -- Cirt (talk) 04:04, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Regarding Cirt's numbered points of November 2:
  1. Saying so does not make it so. I gave three specific examples of things that depend on the longstanding naming convention.
  2. Hint: The name of an arbitrary QotD page from the past year can be generated like this:
    Wikiquote:Quote of the day/{{#time:F j, Y|-{{#expr:{{#time:U}} mod 365}} days}}
    (This is not really random, it just cycles through the year about every six minutes. You could replace "{{#expr:{{#time:U}} mod 365}}" with a real random number generator if MediaWiki had one, which it doesn't, or use a kludge like Wikipedia's Template:Rand.)
  3. As I said above, it should be discussed first. The desirability of the change has been contested, and there are too many logical dependencies that would need to be mapped out in advance to avoid disruptions.
Regarding the original proposal: I believe that one of the perceived benefits is illusory. It is actually more work, when posting a new quote, to have to copy the old quote to an archive first. I think it is better to post it once and leave it alone. ~ Ningauble 15:39, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Selecting quotes for Wikiquote[edit]

I want to select quotes for Wikiqoute "Quote of The Day". How can I do it. 
 Please explain step by step.
 Thanks in advance.