Talk:Adi Shankara

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Trimmed down number of quotes from one source to three[edit]

In this edit the number of quotes from one source are trimmed down to from 67 to 3. In total over 2200 words of the 2317 words article, were copy/pasted here which is simply unacceptable ( see also WP:COPY and WQ:LOQ). -- Mdd (talk) 20:54, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

I can accept such a reduction of what seem to have been quotes from a recent translation — but I will probably restore or add some quotes from that work, as highly significant statements, when I get back within a few hours. I must be leaving now, and don't have time to review things sufficiently. I restored some external links that were removed, as some of these plainly link to sites with significant translations of some of the works and commentaries of the author . ~ Kalki·· 00:09, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
I have no problem if you cited up to a dozen quotes, as long as you trace it back to the original source, which seems to be: Swami Chinmayananda (1987) Atma Bodh. The initial problem here was that all quotes were copy/pasted from one short secondary/tertiary source.
Just for the record (and to explain Nvvchar), the Wikiquote:Limits on quotations states: A recommended maximum of five lines of prose or eight lines of poetry for every ten pages of a book not in the public domain. This is equal to about 1.25% of the total content of a book.
With 124 pages of Atma Bodh. we could quote about 60 lines of prose (lines of the original source), according to this limit. The section that was removed would approximately have filled 250 lines... And a dozen of these quotes would be about 50 lines. -- Mdd (talk) 00:58, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
Just for the record. In the recent edit again the contemporary website is used as source, and now in total about 348 words from the 2318 are copy/pasted, which is about 15%. As far a I know there are no formal [Wikiquote:Limits on quotations]] on how much percent of the content of a web article may be copy/pasted here, but I limit myself to 3 quotes. -- Mdd (talk) 12:09, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Original source info or a mixed media[edit]

In adding those 12 quotes (see here), you replaced original source info, to an recently online website. For example:

In the trimmed down and improved article, was listed
  • Action cannot destroy ignorance, for it is not in conflict with or opposed to ignorance. Knowledge does verily destroy ignorance as light destroys deep darkness.
This is now replace by
Atma Bodha as translated by Swami Chinmayananda (1987)
  • Action cannot destroy ignorance, for it is not in conflict with or opposed to ignorance. Knowledge does verily destroy ignorance as light destroys deep darkness.
    • 3

There seems to be multiple issues with this kind of presentation:

  1. It is unclear where the phrase "* 3" is referring to. At first I though it where the page numbers
  2. The phrase "* 3" was however referring to the bullit number of the Atma Bodha By Adi Sankaracharya at shankaracharya.org
  3. The source data "Atma Bodha as translated by Swami Chinmayananda (1987)" is now a mixed media of a link to the original 1987 book by Swami Chinmayananda, with a link to the presentation of the work on shankaracharya.org by Adi Sankaracharya

I would suggest to keep it simple, and:

  • Use the: Swami Chinmayananda (1987) Atma Bodh. Chinmaya Mission as primary source
  • Add the page numbers of this book at the individual source.
  • At the source info a link can be made to the article on shankaracharya.org

-- Mdd (talk) 11:54, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

The source info is now updated (see here), but this could be further improved. I noticed it was more complex then presented here, because the quote numbers were also present in the original 1987 book. So I added a double source code, for example "p. 4: Quote nr. 2". -- Mdd (talk) 12:30, 21 May 2014 (UTC)