Talk:Malabar rebellion/Archives/01

Censored quotes

Quotes added recently were not moved to talk. I am moving them here for MonsterHunter32 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) to save him this work, since he repeatedly refuses to do it despite being asked MANY times by many users.

But MonsterHunter32 still needs to give full reasoning (for each removed quote) on the talkpage.

• All deleted quotes must at the very least be moved by him to the article talkpage with a note that they were removed from the article, giving full reasoning (for each removed quote), as required by Template:Remove.

Now you are again doing deliberate misrepresenations when you claim you have discussed the quotes. You have almost never yourself moved quotes to the talkpage with full reasoning as was asked dozens of time by mulitple users.

What I ask as a minimal first step from you is that you move all your deleted quotes to the article talkpages with a note that they were removed from the article, giving full reasoning.

This is a minimal first step that is required to enable the further discussion of the removed quotes, and that you have refused to do despite being asked so many times by multiple users. Until you do that, what you say are just poor excuses. You have failed to provide your reasoning for each deleted quote on the talkpage despite being told many times by many users. And in most cases you did not even move the censored quotes to the talkpage.

• All quotes censored by MonsterHunter32 must at the very least be moved by him to the article talkpage with a note that they were removed from the article, giving full reasoning (for each removed quote), as required by Template:Remove. Otherwise, the status quo (uncensored) version should be kept.

• As long as you refuse to even move the censored quotes to the article talkpage with a note that they were removed from the article, giving full reasoning, which was asked by many people many times, you are just giving poor excuses to avoid open discussion where other editors are also involved. --Jedi3 (talk) 08:47, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Here you see an overview with the current status (which does not even include all of the deleted quotes):

Article Discussion page	Number of censored quotes	MonsterHunter32 moved censored quotes to talk?	MonsterHunter32 gave full reasoning for deletions on talk?	Current status
* Talk:Aurangzeb	Almost 40 quotes.	The quotes added on 23 March were NOT moved to talk. The previously added quotes were added to talk.	Reasoning for ONE quote (Will Durant quote) given, but no consensus achieved.	MonsterHunter32 needs to give full reasoning for each of the rest of the DELETED quotes on the talkpage. Comments from other editors about the Will Durant quote needed. Please see discussion at Talk:India#Summary_table.
* Talk:Somnath temple	2 quotes.	Started deleting quote on 7 January, moved ONE quote to talk on 21 January. Second quote not moved to talk by MH32.	Reasoning given for ONE quote, but no consensus achieved. Second DELETED quote needs reasoning. Comments from other editors needed.	Comments from other editors about the Wilkie Collins quote needed. Please see discussion at Talk:India#Summary_table.
* Talk:Swami Vivekananda	1 quote.	No. He refused to move it to talk despite being asked many times.	No reasoning given on talk.	MonsterHunter32 needs to give full reasoning for the DELETED quote on the talkpage.
* Talk:Historical negationism	1 quote.	No. He refused to move it to talk despite being asked many times.	No reasoning given on talk.	MonsterHunter32 needs to give full reasoning for the censored quote on the talkpage.
* Talk:Slavery in India	3 quotes.	No. He refused to move the censored quotes to talk despite being asked many times.	No reasoning given on talk.	MonsterHunter32 needs to give full reasoning for each of the DELETED quotes on the talkpage.
* Talk:Muhammad bin Qasim	About 15 quotes.	No. He refused to move the censored quotes to talk despite being asked many times.	No reasoning given on talk.	MonsterHunter32 needs to give full reasoning for each of the DELETED quotes on the talkpage.
* Talk:Malabar rebellion	1 quote.	No. He refused to move it to talk despite being asked many times.	No reasoning given on talk.	MonsterHunter32 needs to give full reasoning for the censored quote on the talkpage.

Truth of quotes

Article	Number of non-notable quotes removed	Jedi3 stopped edit-warring? Last edit-warring revert?	Jedi3's disruption allowed MonsterHunter32 to move quotes to talk?	Template:Remove requires moving?	Satisfactory reason given?	Jedi3 completed discussion on one quote anywhere?
Aurangzeb	Almost 30 quotes, not 40. As already explained to Jedi3 some of his new quotes keep getting removed due to his own edit-warring which I revert, see [1].	No. Still edit-warring as of 29 march. Apart from now, he never discussed on talk page since 23 March.	Moved. The new 10 quotes he claims I "censored", were only removed due to his edit-warring. I've already said he could restore them if they are notable. Another quote he claims I removed is still there.	NOT ALWAYS.	YES.	NO
Somnath temple	2 quotes.	No. Still edit-warring: [2]. Last date of talk before today. 5 March	One moved. The other not, as I was too busy arguing on Talk:Aurangzeb with Jedi3.	NOT ALWAYS.	YES. Other given too in edit-summary.	NO
Talk:Swami Vivekananda	1 quote.	No. Still edit-warring as of 29 March.	Too busy reverting Jedi3's edit-warring reverts who hasn't stopped.	NOT ALWAYS.	YES. Reason given in edit summary.	NO
Talk:Historical negationism	1 quote.	No. Still edit-warring as of 29 March.	Too busy reverting Jedi3's edit-warring reverts who hasn't stopped.	NOT ALWAYS.	YES. Reason given in edit summary.	NO
Talk:Slavery in India	3 quotes.	No. Still edit-warring as of 29 March.	Too busy reverting Jedi3's edit-warring reverts who hasn't stopped.	NOT ALWAYS.	YES. Reason given in edit summary: [3], [4], [5]	NO
Talk:Muhammad bin Qasim	About 15 quotes.	No. Still edit-warring as of 29 March.	Too busy reverting Jedi3's edit-warring reverts who hasn't stopped.	NOT ALWAYS.	YES. Reason given in edit summary: [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18]. Second one as already said is not about Qasim especially.	NO
Malabar rebellion	1 quote.	No. Still edit-warring as of 29 March.	Too busy reverting Jedi3's edit-warring reverts who hasn't stopped.	NOT ALWAYS.	YES. Reason given in edit-summary: [19]	NO

Deleted Quotes

• Shortly after the worst of all riots between Muslims and Hindus, when the Mohammedans of Moplahs butchered hundreds of unarmed Hindus and offered their prepuces as a convenant to Allah, these same Moplahs were stricken with famine; whereupon Gandhi collected funds for them from all India, and (with no regard for the best precedents in matters of charity) forwarded every anna, without deduction for "overhead," to the starving enemy.

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• • Will Durant, Our Oriental heritage

First please remove all your unrelated articles out of here if you are serious of discussion and finish \discussion at Somnath temple first. One quote at a time. MonsterHunter32 (talk)

See my comment which you deleted: https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MonsterHunter32&diff=prev&oldid=2376926

If you want to discuss the deleted quotes one at a time, then you also have to delete them one at a time. Remember what JARNY told to you "Explanations are needed to remove quotes. "

This discussion would not be necessary if you had followed what was asked to you by multiple users many times:

• All quotes removed by User:MonsterHunter32 must always be moved by him to the article talkpage with a note that they were removed from the article, giving full reasoning (for each removed quote), as required by Template:Remove. Otherwise, the status quo (uncensored) version should be kept and/or restored. --Jedi3 (talk) 11:31, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

See my comment right above. Also please stop edit-warring instead of pretending discussion and abruptly stopping talk at all articles.' And remove your vandal attempt of bringing unrelated articles here. Cooperate first yourself if you want cooperation.MonsterHunter32 (talk) 12:04, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

IF you want one quote at a time then you also have to delete them one at a time. Remember what JARNY told to you "Explanations are needed to remove quotes. " The discussion about one of the quotes at Somnath needs outside views from other editors, which I have asked for, so let us wait for the outside views. IF you mean the second quote at Somnath, then you still need to provide your full reasoning on talk. --Jedi3 (talk) 12:08, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

I said before asking for cooperation, start cooperating yourself.' Do as I have told you, remove all non-relevant material. Complete discussion at Somnath temole first . Discuss one quote at a timeMonsterHunter32 (talk) 12:18, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

• I see no good reason for this quote not to be included on the page. Will Durant is perhaps one of the most respected historical writers, and there is no doubt that the quote is genuine. BD2412 T 22:50, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

MonsterHunter32's deletions

Due to the continued refusal of User:MonsterHunter32 to move deleted quotes to the talkpage with full reasoning, as was told to him by many users many times, I am copying them here in one place (they are all India-related), so that others interested in the same topic area can comment on it in one place.

He was warned many times by multiple users that per Template:Remove the following is valid and must be observed:

• All deleted quotes must at the very least be moved by him to the article talkpage with a note that they were removed from the article, giving full reasoning (for each removed quote), as required by Template:Remove. Otherwise, the status quo (uncensored) version should be kept.

See Talk:India#Censorship_of_sourced_quotes_by_User:MonsterHunter32

He has done dozens of blankings of my additions, most of them without ANY discussion on the talkpage, without moving the censored quotes to talk, and with very poor excuses (like that he only needs to "explain" his mass-blanking of many quotes in the same edit in his edit summary). .He refuses to discuss to discuss his censorship on talk, and just continues edit-warring.

The deleted quote is from Will Durant who is already often quoted in other wikiquote articles like Napoleon, Aristotele, Democracy, Rome, and many more articles because he was a very gifted writer, his language is always very eloquent and to the point, exactly what we need here at wikiquote. The quote is also notable not just because it is very eloquently written, but also because it describes the riots as "the worst of all riots between Muslims and Hindus", and also summarizes not just the riots but also the aftermath and some of Gandhi's actions. --Jedi3 (talk) 19:53, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Jedi3 don't pretend and lie more about censorship and eloquent etc. We both know you only added it because it agreed with your view and now are making excuses of eloquence without understanding the guidelines that the quote must be notable and memorable, nor you even understand the definition of what is eloquent. Also please keep your problems to the articles in question, not where I've never made an edit like Talk:india. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 05:28, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Jedi3's disruptive edits

User:Jedi3 should stop disrupting. After baselessly blaming me again and agaim of censoring, even when i'm telling him just to add notable quotes, he doesn't listen. what I;ve been saying since begimnning is that for Jedi3 his views matter more, not improvement to the articles. This is a page about Malabar rebellion. not any other article. I suggest he only discuss his quotes about the Malabar rebellion. IOf he wants a discussion at an article, he should discuss about it. this talk page shouldn't be used as anpother distraction attempt to argue for other articles. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 10:26, 29 March 2018 (UTC)